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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:30 PM Feb 2016

675K "That's what they offered".

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Mrs. Clinton notoriously defended her $675,000 speaking fee from Goldman Sachs by proclaiming "That's what they offered".

Why would Goldman Sachs offer her $675,000 for 3 speeches, what was in it for them?


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Goldman Sachs often gives away money for no reason.
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Clinton disclosed information worth $675,000.
1 (2%)
Goldman Sachs believes it has purchased $675,000 of influence from Clinton
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675K "That's what they offered". (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 OP
That's more money then a lot of people make in 10 years. If (with my 16 inch scope) I had .. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #1
At $10/hr it would take about 33 years full time work. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #3
When you get voted most admired woman in the world for 15 or so years in a row, DanTex Feb 2016 #7
you might want to adjust Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #2
Yeahup..... daleanime Feb 2016 #4
And that's still less than 1% of their combined worth Hydra Feb 2016 #6
Actually, Goldman and many other organizations have events with paid DanTex Feb 2016 #5
Then she should ejbr Feb 2016 #9
Maybe. I've yet to come across anyone who doesn't already hate Hillary who cares about this stuff DanTex Feb 2016 #13
Talk is cheap ejbr Feb 2016 #15
You left out the American Camping Association. Maybe she's owned by "big camping!" DanTex Feb 2016 #16
Your trust ejbr Feb 2016 #17
Unless you distrust anyone who has ever given a paid speech, then it seems pretty clear DanTex Feb 2016 #19
They are not about ejbr Feb 2016 #20
I see. So people who are going to run for office at some time in the future can't give DanTex Feb 2016 #21
They shouldn't balk ejbr Feb 2016 #23
You've already heard what you want to hear. She releases the transcripts, they are innocuous, DanTex Feb 2016 #24
Obama being born in Kenya ejbr Feb 2016 #25
I do not hate her Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #30
Call it what you want. But no evidence is going to change your mind about her supposedly DanTex Feb 2016 #31
she knew she was going to run since 08 Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #27
and colleges Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
Yes, speaking to colleges is evil. Those institutes for higher learning, how dare they give DanTex Feb 2016 #28
how dare they be Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #33
Well, when you send your kids to college, you can make sure that the college you send DanTex Feb 2016 #35
yep screw the huge debt Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #37
"Everybody's doing it" Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #51
There is zero evidence of any trade of influence for access. DanTex Feb 2016 #52
Stand back a ways from your candidate & primary Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #53
The system as a whole, I agree with you. Where I differ is that I see Hillary as part of the DanTex Feb 2016 #54
Yes. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #55
For me, I just care about what happens to the country and the world. DanTex Feb 2016 #56
I'm very proud of Hillary and her success. OhZone Feb 2016 #8
I think you ejbr Feb 2016 #11
I don't know what kind of cave people are living in where they're not aware that DanTex Feb 2016 #14
Yeah. Exactly. Some Bernie fans are bad as the GOP pretending everything is a scandal. nt OhZone Feb 2016 #36
nice name calling insults Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #39
Sorry. Edited. And I'm not nice when people act awful. OhZone Feb 2016 #42
thanks so much Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #45
Welcome. OhZone Feb 2016 #47
I like Jimmy Carter Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #34
That's not how it works anyway. Hillary has an agency negotiate her speaking fees. Avalux Feb 2016 #10
Pretty sure this qualifies for the No Shit Sherlock issue of the day/month/Primary??? n/t libdem4life Feb 2016 #12
Pass rock Feb 2016 #18
Investors usually expect a return on their investments. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #22
Hillary believes if she "Repeats the Lie enough people will believe it" FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #29
If someone was willing to pay me $675000 to speak to them I sure as hell doc03 Feb 2016 #32
Oh I would too, but I think perhaps that isn't going to happen to you or me. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #44
Well I wasn't a US Senator representing New York where Wall Street happens to be for 8 years and doc03 Feb 2016 #57
This makes me sick--as I try and figure out what bills I can juggle this month. Paper Roses Feb 2016 #38
yes they just picked that amount Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #40
.+10 840high Feb 2016 #58
There was definite quid pro quo with Sanders and the NRA Persondem Feb 2016 #41
Oh really? Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #43
might want to check your facts Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #46
Which explains his D- rating from the NRA. hifiguy Feb 2016 #49
When an organization like Goldman pays that kind of money hifiguy Feb 2016 #48
The Fourth Possibility speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #50
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
1. That's more money then a lot of people make in 10 years. If (with my 16 inch scope) I had ..
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

...discovered an Alien race, I might accept such an offer.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. When you get voted most admired woman in the world for 15 or so years in a row,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:48 PM
Feb 2016

you're probably gonna get paid more than the average Joe.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
2. you might want to adjust
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

It was for three speeches but the total is still near THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS! !!!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. And that's still less than 1% of their combined worth
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

Imagine how many other people they are similarly obligated to.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Actually, Goldman and many other organizations have events with paid
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

speakers all the time. What Goldman paid is the going rate for a speech from Hillary. Lots of people do paid speeches, but very few are as big of a "get" as Hillary, which is why she gets paid that much.

Apparently, it grates some people that she's successful and widely admired enough to draw this kind of money. But then again, these people would also be outraged by the way Hillary takes her coffee. Like the rest of the pseudo-scandals, meh.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
13. Maybe. I've yet to come across anyone who doesn't already hate Hillary who cares about this stuff
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

at all. She should do whatever plays best politically. Releasing the transcripts could be seen as caving, people would start taking things out of context, etc. She should focus on the issues, where she is the stronger candidate.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
15. Talk is cheap
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

except for Goldman. How do we know she is not paying us lip service when it comes to finance? Hiding behind anyone's dislike of her does not assuage the valid concern of speaking to them before an election, and then collecting donations.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. You left out the American Camping Association. Maybe she's owned by "big camping!"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

Like I said, only Hillary-haters believe in these conspiracy theories. It's funny that you would ask "how do we know she is not paying us lip service?" You've already decided that she's owned by Wall Street, so your opinion is and should be entirely irrelevant to her decision.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. Unless you distrust anyone who has ever given a paid speech, then it seems pretty clear
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

that this is more about hating Hillary than anything else.

Have you ever been to one of these events with a bigshot paid speaker? They aren't spooky and conspiratorial. They're usually kind of boring, actually.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
20. They are not about
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

to run for office. Has this point of fact been lost? And yes, anyone running for office who received such fees should be suspect

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
21. I see. So people who are going to run for office at some time in the future can't give
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

paid speeches. So what kind of work are they permitted to do, by your ethical standards? Maybe they simply have to be career politicians, straight out of school.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
23. They shouldn't balk
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

at releasing transcripts, particularly if the audience in question has already been bailed out by us already and are now donating to that speaker's campaign. You know what...she can keep the transcripts secret; that tells us what we wanted to know.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. You've already heard what you want to hear. She releases the transcripts, they are innocuous,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

do you think anyone who already hates Hillary is going to say "OK, fine, I guess we were wrong." Please. It's a similar game to the Obama birth certificate.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
25. Obama being born in Kenya
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

and Hillary possibly being in cahoots with the banks are not the same thing my friend. Good day.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
30. I do not hate her
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

I do not trust her at all. I have not heard anyone say anything about hate except for you. She shall not be challenged in your would or it is hate or sexist.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
31. Call it what you want. But no evidence is going to change your mind about her supposedly
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

being owned by Wall Street. So there's really no point in releasing the transcripts, you (and the other people who care about this sort of thing) have already made up your mind.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
27. she knew she was going to run since 08
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

She held off stating so so she could keep getting the big bucks and not file with the FEC

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. and colleges
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe that is why tuition is so high. Funny she give lip service to student debt when she is part of the problem.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. Yes, speaking to colleges is evil. Those institutes for higher learning, how dare they give
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

students an opportunity to hear people like Hillary speak. I remember in college when they brought in speakers, and it just made me sick!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
33. how dare they be
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

Have to pay a minimum of 250K for that. Screw the students and that cost that has to get passed to them. In the military, we give speeches all the time to academic institutions for FREE.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
35. Well, when you send your kids to college, you can make sure that the college you send
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

them to doesn't have any invited speakers on campus. I'm glad that my college did, but that's the great thing about being able to choose.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
37. yep screw the huge debt
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

That many have to work until they die to try and pay off. And I would be happy to not pay extortion of that amount for a speech. It just is not worth it.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
51. "Everybody's doing it"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:20 PM
Feb 2016

Trading influence and access for money
Lots of politicians are doing it.
Dishonesty in politics?
Everybody lies, so what?

This mentality is precisely what needs to be examined, and changed.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
52. There is zero evidence of any trade of influence for access.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

"Zero evidence" could actually be a good theme for Bernie's campaign.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
53. Stand back a ways from your candidate & primary
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

Take her out of the picture altogether if you wish. I am referring to a large forest dying from the blight of Corruption. We can debate the individual trees' roles, but. the real issue is the forest needs to be saved from this blight. Got to i.d. the blight.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
54. The system as a whole, I agree with you. Where I differ is that I see Hillary as part of the
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

solution.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
55. Yes.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

I see her teetering between two worlds. I have never seen her or Bill as honest, and that's a dealbreaker for me.
Regardless, a focus on the unproductive prevalence of corruption in government is a good thing. And let us all evolve, just the tiniest bit, to where dishonesty is NOT okay in our world. Lies are NOT acceptable.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
56. For me, I just care about what happens to the country and the world.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

Whether Hillary is honest or not makes no difference as long as good things happen. I don't think she's dishonest per se, nor is she a saint, but drilling down into stuff like this to see just how pure or impure she is strikes me as irrelevant. Basically, as I see it, if the GOP wins, lots of bad stuff will happen, and if a Dem wins, good things will happen at about the rate they did with Obama.

To say she's "owned by Wall Street" to me is silly. Obviously she knows a lot of people there, and has relationships there. But she's Hillary effing Clinton, she knows everyone and has relationships everywhere. And, at the end of the day, despite changing her mind about some stuff and making some unfortunate votes, she's a progressive.

Is Bernie more pure? Of course. If elected, would that translate into better outcomes? I doubt it, and not by much. It's all about the fight with the GOP.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
8. I'm very proud of Hillary and her success.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

She had major experience, intelligence, and celebrity. That's why she was paid so well.

It's very common for Presidents and the people around them to be paid well for books and speeches after their terms. Where have you been?

Heck, most of the GOP candidates are running to raise their speaking fees.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. I don't know what kind of cave people are living in where they're not aware that
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

politicians, celebrities, etc. give speeches for money. Like Hillary somehow invented the idea.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. That's not how it works anyway. Hillary has an agency negotiate her speaking fees.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

The agency tells them her fee, they may dicker back and forth a bit but ultimately if she's going to speak, she gets what she wants.

That's how business works.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
22. Investors usually expect a return on their investments.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

And, are prone to invest in products they feel safe in investing in.

doc03

(35,346 posts)
57. Well I wasn't a US Senator representing New York where Wall Street happens to be for 8 years and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016

I wasn't Secretary of State for 5 years and I am not running for president. I couldn't speak in front of more than 3 people ether.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
38. This makes me sick--as I try and figure out what bills I can juggle this month.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry, Mrs. Clinton, I'm voting for Bernie.

Maybe what he will do will better than you and your minions. Sick of all this crap. (can you tell I'm upset?)

So sick of batting my old gray head against the wall so some well connected politico can enrich his/her pockets.
We need action, not more of the "I'll look into it".

What they offered? Lame explanation.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
41. There was definite quid pro quo with Sanders and the NRA
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

He voted against the Brady Bill 5 times plus voted to exempt the NRA from liability.

What exactly was the quid pro quo for Clinton/GS?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
46. might want to check your facts
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

Just how is the NRA exempt from liability and just how much money has Bernie recieved to get his D- ranking from them?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
48. When an organization like Goldman pays that kind of money
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

to a political figure, it's not to hear that person speak. That person is there to LISTEN to and PURSUE the goals of the organization. And anyone who thinks otherwise is living in dreamland.

It's called influence-peddling in plain English.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
50. The Fourth Possibility
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

is that they don't trust her as much as Bill, knew how it would look and thought it was money well spent to hurt her chances.

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