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Mrs. Clinton notoriously defended her $675,000 speaking fee from Goldman Sachs by proclaiming "That's what they offered".
Why would Goldman Sachs offer her $675,000 for 3 speeches, what was in it for them?
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Clinton disclosed information worth $675,000. | |
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Goldman Sachs believes it has purchased $675,000 of influence from Clinton | |
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BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...discovered an Alien race, I might accept such an offer.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)you're probably gonna get paid more than the average Joe.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It was for three speeches but the total is still near THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS! !!!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)just add an 's' to fee.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Imagine how many other people they are similarly obligated to.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)speakers all the time. What Goldman paid is the going rate for a speech from Hillary. Lots of people do paid speeches, but very few are as big of a "get" as Hillary, which is why she gets paid that much.
Apparently, it grates some people that she's successful and widely admired enough to draw this kind of money. But then again, these people would also be outraged by the way Hillary takes her coffee. Like the rest of the pseudo-scandals, meh.
have no problem releasing a transcript or two. If it's innocent and all.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)at all. She should do whatever plays best politically. Releasing the transcripts could be seen as caving, people would start taking things out of context, etc. She should focus on the issues, where she is the stronger candidate.
except for Goldman. How do we know she is not paying us lip service when it comes to finance? Hiding behind anyone's dislike of her does not assuage the valid concern of speaking to them before an election, and then collecting donations.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Like I said, only Hillary-haters believe in these conspiracy theories. It's funny that you would ask "how do we know she is not paying us lip service?" You've already decided that she's owned by Wall Street, so your opinion is and should be entirely irrelevant to her decision.
in her may be misplaced. How is my distrust any more absurd than your trust?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)that this is more about hating Hillary than anything else.
Have you ever been to one of these events with a bigshot paid speaker? They aren't spooky and conspiratorial. They're usually kind of boring, actually.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)to run for office. Has this point of fact been lost? And yes, anyone running for office who received such fees should be suspect
DanTex
(20,709 posts)paid speeches. So what kind of work are they permitted to do, by your ethical standards? Maybe they simply have to be career politicians, straight out of school.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)at releasing transcripts, particularly if the audience in question has already been bailed out by us already and are now donating to that speaker's campaign. You know what...she can keep the transcripts secret; that tells us what we wanted to know.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)do you think anyone who already hates Hillary is going to say "OK, fine, I guess we were wrong." Please. It's a similar game to the Obama birth certificate.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)and Hillary possibly being in cahoots with the banks are not the same thing my friend. Good day.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I do not trust her at all. I have not heard anyone say anything about hate except for you. She shall not be challenged in your would or it is hate or sexist.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)being owned by Wall Street. So there's really no point in releasing the transcripts, you (and the other people who care about this sort of thing) have already made up your mind.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)She held off stating so so she could keep getting the big bucks and not file with the FEC
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Maybe that is why tuition is so high. Funny she give lip service to student debt when she is part of the problem.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)students an opportunity to hear people like Hillary speak. I remember in college when they brought in speakers, and it just made me sick!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Have to pay a minimum of 250K for that. Screw the students and that cost that has to get passed to them. In the military, we give speeches all the time to academic institutions for FREE.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)them to doesn't have any invited speakers on campus. I'm glad that my college did, but that's the great thing about being able to choose.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That many have to work until they die to try and pay off. And I would be happy to not pay extortion of that amount for a speech. It just is not worth it.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Trading influence and access for money
Lots of politicians are doing it.
Dishonesty in politics?
Everybody lies, so what?
This mentality is precisely what needs to be examined, and changed.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)"Zero evidence" could actually be a good theme for Bernie's campaign.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Take her out of the picture altogether if you wish. I am referring to a large forest dying from the blight of Corruption. We can debate the individual trees' roles, but. the real issue is the forest needs to be saved from this blight. Got to i.d. the blight.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)solution.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I see her teetering between two worlds. I have never seen her or Bill as honest, and that's a dealbreaker for me.
Regardless, a focus on the unproductive prevalence of corruption in government is a good thing. And let us all evolve, just the tiniest bit, to where dishonesty is NOT okay in our world. Lies are NOT acceptable.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Whether Hillary is honest or not makes no difference as long as good things happen. I don't think she's dishonest per se, nor is she a saint, but drilling down into stuff like this to see just how pure or impure she is strikes me as irrelevant. Basically, as I see it, if the GOP wins, lots of bad stuff will happen, and if a Dem wins, good things will happen at about the rate they did with Obama.
To say she's "owned by Wall Street" to me is silly. Obviously she knows a lot of people there, and has relationships there. But she's Hillary effing Clinton, she knows everyone and has relationships everywhere. And, at the end of the day, despite changing her mind about some stuff and making some unfortunate votes, she's a progressive.
Is Bernie more pure? Of course. If elected, would that translate into better outcomes? I doubt it, and not by much. It's all about the fight with the GOP.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)She had major experience, intelligence, and celebrity. That's why she was paid so well.
It's very common for Presidents and the people around them to be paid well for books and speeches after their terms. Where have you been?
Heck, most of the GOP candidates are running to raise their speaking fees.
missed a key word in your post: AFTER.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)politicians, celebrities, etc. give speeches for money. Like Hillary somehow invented the idea.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And you people are the ones that are supposed to be the nice ones.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)You don't want to incur the wrath of Ozara!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Many do not do that, tip of the hat
OhZone
(3,212 posts)No, excuse, but I've been under a lot of stress lately. A lot of personal changes.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And how he and his wife are using that power.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)The agency tells them her fee, they may dicker back and forth a bit but ultimately if she's going to speak, she gets what she wants.
That's how business works.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)But more power to you, Hillary!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, are prone to invest in products they feel safe in investing in.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)doc03
(35,346 posts)would take it.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Why is that?
doc03
(35,346 posts)I wasn't Secretary of State for 5 years and I am not running for president. I couldn't speak in front of more than 3 people ether.
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Sorry, Mrs. Clinton, I'm voting for Bernie.
Maybe what he will do will better than you and your minions. Sick of all this crap. (can you tell I'm upset?)
So sick of batting my old gray head against the wall so some well connected politico can enrich his/her pockets.
We need action, not more of the "I'll look into it".
What they offered? Lame explanation.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)out of thin air. Funny how her minimum fee is a 250K.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)He voted against the Brady Bill 5 times plus voted to exempt the NRA from liability.
What exactly was the quid pro quo for Clinton/GS?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Exactly how much money did Sanders receive from the NRA?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just how is the NRA exempt from liability and just how much money has Bernie recieved to get his D- ranking from them?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)to a political figure, it's not to hear that person speak. That person is there to LISTEN to and PURSUE the goals of the organization. And anyone who thinks otherwise is living in dreamland.
It's called influence-peddling in plain English.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)is that they don't trust her as much as Bill, knew how it would look and thought it was money well spent to hurt her chances.