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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:51 PM Feb 2016

Revised Iowa results: Hillary ahead by .25%. Is this the final?

From The Hill February 07, 2016, 01:36 pm:

Clinton hangs on in revised Iowa caucus results

The Iowa Democratic Party on Sunday updated the results of the Iowa caucuses after discovering discrepancies in the tallies at five precincts, but the final outcome remains unchanged.

Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton still places first in the caucuses with 700.47 state delegate equivalents, or 49.84 percent, the party said in a statement.

Primary rival Bernie Sanders comes in second with 696.92 state delegate equivalents, or 49.59 percent.

The total net change gives Sanders an additional 0.1053 state delegate equivalents and strips Clinton of 0.122 state delegate equivalents
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Are they still reviewing or not?


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Revised Iowa results: Hillary ahead by .25%. Is this the final? (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2016 OP
Why doesn't Iowa just switch to a primary system and get rid of these ridiculous caucuses? Metric System Feb 2016 #1
Good question.... daleanime Feb 2016 #2
Political advantages. dogman Feb 2016 #4
Caucuses are for party building. cyberswede Feb 2016 #9
It's 'quaint.' And although New Hampshire is a primary, they love being 'off center' as well. onehandle Feb 2016 #10
Seriously Matariki Feb 2016 #14
Because we don't have much to make us special...Gopher, Radar, and the caucus all american girl Feb 2016 #3
A brief travelogue... Cirque du So-What Feb 2016 #11
We have a company in Iowa and one of our overseas sales reps flew in for a meeting. PonyUp Feb 2016 #37
In the interest of fair play Cirque du So-What Feb 2016 #12
lol Matariki Feb 2016 #16
I should have added a couple of deer Cirque du So-What Feb 2016 #23
Because NH will always be the 1st primary awake Feb 2016 #6
In the name of fairness, why not start each campaign season with a rotation of state primaries postin4Bern Feb 2016 #15
NH will never let go of the 1st primary awake Feb 2016 #21
They WILL let go of it if made a law, though. postin4Bern Feb 2016 #25
Primaries are controlled by the states not the US gov. awake Feb 2016 #26
I heard on NPR a couple days ago Cirque du So-What Feb 2016 #27
A really good question TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #24
Caucus is much easier to rig. TheFarseer Feb 2016 #29
So Hillary owes her win to coin flips awake Feb 2016 #5
Do you trust them to review it fairly? I don't gyroscope Feb 2016 #7
Yep, that is the end of it. Hillary won Iowa just like Bush won the 2000 election. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #8
Most likely MissDeeds Feb 2016 #17
I agree. eom. NowSam Feb 2016 #33
WE MUST KEEP INVESTIGATING UNTIL BERNIE IS THE WINNER!!! wyldwolf Feb 2016 #13
Wow. That sounds so republican cali Feb 2016 #18
inspired by the Bernie followers on DU wyldwolf Feb 2016 #19
And a weak excuse for your own dubious claims, framed cali Feb 2016 #20
that's only your cherry-picking. Bernie followers will never accept a loss. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #22
That's absurd. Let me explain this to you cali Feb 2016 #31
don't need your explanation. Your fellow bernie followers already talking cheating and conspiracies wyldwolf Feb 2016 #32
Making assumptions based upon the actions of the establishment isn't talking "cheating and Fawke Em Feb 2016 #38
So Bernie followers are the 'establishment?' wyldwolf Feb 2016 #40
Release the raw count then we can all see. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #28
Fact is, in a month Clinton can just give Sanders all her Iowa delegates and suggest he and Hoyt Feb 2016 #30
And then she'll lose the general. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #39
I'm not sure Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #34
What I can't figure... madfloridian Feb 2016 #35
I know Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #36

dogman

(6,073 posts)
4. Political advantages.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

Turnout determines the portion of delegates awarded and it determines the total number of delegates to be awarded in the next election. Unfortunately an area can have a lot of sway on the candidate choice while not being able to carry those precincts in a general election.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
9. Caucuses are for party building.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

They identify volunteers for party committees and county party officials. The candidate preference portion is only part of it - and nobody paid any attention to it until McGovern and Carter took advantage of the preference results in the 70s.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
10. It's 'quaint.' And although New Hampshire is a primary, they love being 'off center' as well.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

Either would have a fit if someone dared take 'first caucus' or 'first primary' from them.

Primaries and elections should be weeks long to give everyone a chance to vote.

Every state primary should start on March 1st and end on March 31st. (and the caucus should die)

Every Fall election should start on the last Tuesday in September and end on the last Tuesday in November, the week before Thanksgiving.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
14. Seriously
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:52 PM
Feb 2016

The caucuses are so unfair to people who can't get to them at one specific time - for instance people who work in places like hospitals and who can't leave their shifts. I heard some college professors on NPR who said they didn't get time off from their classes for the caucuses. Seems wrong.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
3. Because we don't have much to make us special...Gopher, Radar, and the caucus
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

that's all we got....I'm only kidding...kind of

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
11. A brief travelogue...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

Interstate 80, Iowa. Mississippi River ... Davenport ... corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, What's that smell? Corn, corn, corn, Iowa City. Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, look, a tree! Corn, corn, corn, Des Moines. Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, there's that smell again. Corn, corn, corn, Council Bluffs ... Missouri River!

 

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)
37. We have a company in Iowa and one of our overseas sales reps flew in for a meeting.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

He got lost driving in, and called the company for directions. They asked him what landmarks were around him and he said "Corn".

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
12. In the interest of fair play
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

I will give equal time to an equally dismal stretch of roadway in my own state:

The Ohio Turnpike: cop cop cop cop cop cop cop cop "Road construction!" cop cop cop cop cop cop cop cop.

awake

(3,226 posts)
6. Because NH will always be the 1st primary
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

I believe that years ago NH passed a law requiring that, so Iowa get to have the 1st caucuses. If Iowa changes to a primary then they lose the power of going 1st.

 

postin4Bern

(64 posts)
15. In the name of fairness, why not start each campaign season with a rotation of state primaries
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

based on a lottery-type drawing?

awake

(3,226 posts)
21. NH will never let go of the 1st primary
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

This year over $100,000,000 was spent on tv ads alone not to mention all of the full hotels and restaurants in the dead of winter.

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
27. I heard on NPR a couple days ago
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

about a phenomenon known as 'primary tourism.' Interviewed some people who had gone to NH to experience the process firsthand.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
24. A really good question
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

My feeling is that the super close election this year might be a motivator for the Iowa Democratic Party to change it up and just use regular voting.

awake

(3,226 posts)
5. So Hillary owes her win to coin flips
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

The diffance was just 3.65 delegate equlvalents less than the coin flips that Hillary won.
Or as Bernie said it was a virtual tie.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
7. Do you trust them to review it fairly? I don't
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

they need to release the raw vote count as the Sanders campaign has requested so we can see how they are getting these numbers. Why would they refuse to comply with a reasonable request given the widespread reports of voting problems. Or else someone needs to file a lawsuit or make a request under the Freedom of Information Act or something.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
17. Most likely
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

Too many power brokers have too much to lose if Bernie gets in. The knives are out and they will stop at nothing. A sham democracy....

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
22. that's only your cherry-picking. Bernie followers will never accept a loss.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

It's funny watching it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. That's absurd. Let me explain this to you
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

You are extrapolating. basing your supposition on one caucus where the results were separated by a percentage of one percent, and where there were documented issues at several sites, makes your petulant claiim both silly and the result of obviously faulty logic.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
32. don't need your explanation. Your fellow bernie followers already talking cheating and conspiracies
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
38. Making assumptions based upon the actions of the establishment isn't talking "cheating and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

conspiracies." It's simply called paying attention.

We've seen how the establishment has become overly horrified that the mighty Hillary may fail, yet again.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. Fact is, in a month Clinton can just give Sanders all her Iowa delegates and suggest he and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

his supporters move on.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. What I can't figure...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

It says Bernie gains a part of a delegate, but Hillary gains a part of a percentage point.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
36. I know
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:47 PM
Feb 2016

...and for the life of me I can't figure it out.

I just want them to fix this so the next time we don't have an issue like this.

And just what is a partial delegate?!

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