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book_worm

(15,951 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:13 PM Feb 2016

New NH Poll: Bernie: 51% (-6) Hillary: 44% (+7)

The most striking result of the latest poll is that Clinton has begun to shrink the large lead
Sanders has held for several weeks. A week ago, Sanders had a 20-point lead over Clinton.
Today, that lead has shrunk to 7 points, with Clinton polling at 44 percent (up from 37 percent)
and Sanders polling at 51 percent (down from 57 percent). These results strongly suggest that
the race for the Democratic presidential primary in New Hampshire could be tightening.

Clinton's narrow Iowa victory has given her a major lift in the Granite State while Sanders now has reason to be nervous. The Vermont socialist senator was beating the former Secretary of State by a 57-37 percent margin right before the caucuses, but he now clings to just a 51-44 percent lead, according to the new Franklin Pierce-Herald poll of 407 likely Democratic primary voters conducted Feb. 2-6.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2016/02/07/FPU-BH-Feb02-06-Dem_0.pdf

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/02/franklin_pierce_herald_poll_clinton_sanders_just_7_points_apart

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New NH Poll: Bernie: 51% (-6) Hillary: 44% (+7) (Original Post) book_worm Feb 2016 OP
Wow. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #1
Don't jinx it Gothmog Feb 2016 #13
Holy crap!! DCBob Feb 2016 #2
H is bound to win!! RobertEarl Feb 2016 #17
OUCH! Just don't tell anyone that NH allows Independents to Vote in Primaries (not in survey)! nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #40
UH, OH! Just don't tell anyone that Nate Silver's 538 gives FPU a C- (C minus) accuracy rating! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #42
Suffolk and Monmouth have it -9 and -10 respectively... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #47
Just stopped calling, back at it tomorrow, $$$$$,, MSM and Fear, never stops. orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #3
BERNIE BLEW IT!! He's in TOTAL FREEFALL!! Only **SEVEN** points apart!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #4
What is her plan? madokie Feb 2016 #27
Yes like breach others database, oh Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #55
"Likely" primary voters - sounds as if they're counting mostly older voters... polichick Feb 2016 #5
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #7
Show me a poll with an even split between landlines/cells and old/young voters... polichick Feb 2016 #11
Again, the polls are weighted to ensure there is no difference in preference between cell phone DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #15
I have a friend who worked for Gallup for years... polichick Feb 2016 #18
Maybe your friend unintenionally misled you. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #20
Put your thinking cap on - you really think there are no decisions made in polling... polichick Feb 2016 #22
Do I think folks can be dishonest, of course. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #24
It's not a matter of doing a "wrong" poll, but of choosing things like... polichick Feb 2016 #30
All I know is if HRC loses by a lot more than seven I am going to say that pollster was incompetent. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #31
If we had verifiable voting in our "democracy" none of this would matter at all. polichick Feb 2016 #34
Likely voters is a more reliable metric than registered voters. I'm sure Bernie is far ahead on the Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #23
It's also a convenient way to influence perception. polichick Feb 2016 #25
Sure is. But it could backfire, too. If people believe that the race is over, they could stay home. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #28
I just hope Bernie supporters expect dirty tricks and that nothing in the "news" will... polichick Feb 2016 #32
I think they should too, but not at the expense of Republicans fully taking over government. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #35
The surve y is based on responses from 407 randomly selected likely Democratic presidential primar INdemo Feb 2016 #6
I cannot find the demographic details of the poll, but I don't see any narrative explanation for mhatrw Feb 2016 #39
NH allows INDEPENDENTS to vote in primaries. Another Bullshit Boston Herald Article. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #41
407 is indeed a scientifically relevant sample size, why on earth would it not be? N/t Godhumor Feb 2016 #58
If the counting process is like Iowa - then HRC will suprise us with a win/tie left lowrider Feb 2016 #8
You got that right. madokie Feb 2016 #29
I'm still expecting Sanders to win +10. Metric System Feb 2016 #9
I'm still expecting Sanders to win +20. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #10
Thanks for posting Gothmog Feb 2016 #12
Oh snap!!!! asuhornets Feb 2016 #14
After NH, there won't be any race. Hillary will beat him handily in more diverse states. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #26
It has sure changed a lot in 3 days INdemo Feb 2016 #16
yep, bernie by thirty. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #19
There's No Age Breakdown in this Poll DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #21
Basically, Hillary's campaign wants to spin a narrowing of the inevitable loss as a "comeback" n/t brentspeak Feb 2016 #33
It starting to sound like no spin may be necessary. DCBob Feb 2016 #37
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #36
What is the narrative explanation for this sudden Clinton surge? mhatrw Feb 2016 #38
Guess who won NH in 2008? ucrdem Feb 2016 #43
Right. Because of voting machines. mhatrw Feb 2016 #44
Possibly but Barack O didn't think so. ucrdem Feb 2016 #45
Yeah, he had a great speech about how his 8.3% margin disappeared in a poof mhatrw Feb 2016 #48
Here is the contact information for Attorney General Lynch DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #46
Gov. Maggie Hansen, who campaigned for Clinton in 2008, appointed him. mhatrw Feb 2016 #49
Bernie is lucky the election is so soon. Momentum is really swinging Hillary's way. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #50
I have never seen any evidence of Hillary's momentum - ever. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #51
Up 7 points a day means by Tuesday it is Hillary +6 leftofcool Feb 2016 #52
Can't help you. This is a prime example of momentum swinging in a candidates way in one state. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #56
You guys and gals crack me up SheenaR Feb 2016 #53
kick Liberal_in_LA Feb 2016 #54
Saw this earlier today. Thanks for posting. K & R nt Persondem Feb 2016 #57

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. Suffolk and Monmouth have it -9 and -10 respectively...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 2016

Suffolk and Monmouth have it -9 and -10 respectively, and Nate gives them a B and an A- .

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. BERNIE BLEW IT!! He's in TOTAL FREEFALL!! Only **SEVEN** points apart!!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

Even if he "wins" by just a few points, he's actually lost. This should have been a total BLOWOUT and RUNAWAY victory for him!!

Looks like people are starting to pay attention... looks like people TRUST HILLARY more and people LIKE HER PLANS more!

Honestly, I'm totally shocked! I wasn't expecting this at all!! Just like Iowa, New Hampshire is tailor made for Bernie's strengths! If he can't win there, it would be absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for him to win the general election!!

Go, Hillary! We love you!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
27. What is her plan?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

More of the same bullshit that has us in the mess we're in today is what it is. I seriously doubt any of this is true, especially what you're saying.

Two months ago people hardly even heard of SBS in Iowa yet the Hill crew had to resort to all kinds of shenanigans to eck our a win of .02% . Not even convinced that was a win for her as it stands today.

yeah she's a force to be reckoned with, LOL, my aching ass she is

polichick

(37,152 posts)
5. "Likely" primary voters - sounds as if they're counting mostly older voters...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

Wonder why?

Some new polls count mostly landlines, others count "likely" voters - coincidence?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Res ipsa loquitur
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016
Some new polls count mostly landlines, others count "likely" voters - coincidence?



These results are based on a recent Franklin Pierce University / Boston Herald Poll conducted
by RKM Research and Communications, February 2-6, 2016. The survey is based on
responses from 407 randomly selected likely Democratic presidential primary voters. Interviews
were conducted by landline and cellular telephone
. The sampling margin of error is +/- 4.9
percent.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2016/02/07/FPU-BH-Feb02-06-Dem_0.pdf

polichick

(37,152 posts)
11. Show me a poll with an even split between landlines/cells and old/young voters...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

"Likely" and "landlines" slant old.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. Again, the polls are weighted to ensure there is no difference in preference between cell phone
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

Again, the polls are weighted to ensure there is no difference in preference between cell phone and landline users, i.e., if cell phone users are breaking 65-35 for Sanders and landline users are breaking for 65-35 for Clinton, the pollsters are going back to check their work. That's math, social science, and statistics.

But don't take my word for it. I am just a random internet poster. Please contact the persons who conducted the poll:

R. Kelly Myers
Marlin Fitzwater Fellow, Franklin Pierce University
603.433.3982


James Wolken
Director of Marketing and Communication
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.4343
Wolkenj@franklinpierce.edu


David Deiuliis
Communication Manager
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.4344
Deiuliisd@franklinpierce.edu



Kristen Nevious
Director of The Marlin Fitzwater Center for Communication
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.1039
neviousk@franklinpierce.edu




They will tell you the same thing.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
18. I have a friend who worked for Gallup for years...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:41 PM
Feb 2016

He explained how easy it is to get any result you want by "weighting" - excuse me for calling bullshit on this perception campaign.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. Maybe your friend unintenionally misled you.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016

"Weighting" is part of polling but don't take the word of a random poster for it; contact the pollsters.




R. Kelly Myers
Marlin Fitzwater Fellow, Franklin Pierce University
603.433.3982


James Wolken
Director of Marketing and Communication
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.4343
Wolkenj@franklinpierce.edu


David Deiuliis
Communication Manager
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.4344
Deiuliisd@franklinpierce.edu



Kristen Nevious
Director of The Marlin Fitzwater Center for Communication
Franklin Pierce University
40 University Dr.
Rindge, NH 03461
603.899.1039
neviousk@franklinpierce.edu

polichick

(37,152 posts)
22. Put your thinking cap on - you really think there are no decisions made in polling...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

that can lead to one result or another? (Not that pollsters don't sometimes want to come up with an honest snapshot.)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
24. Do I think folks can be dishonest, of course.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

But before I accuse anybody of dishonesty I need some kind of factual foundation.


Why would a pollster put out a poll that is "wrong" to favor a candidate?


They will look incompetent when the actual vote occurs.

Example:


This poll has Sanders winning by 7:


The most striking result of the latest poll is that Clinton has begun to shrink the large lead
Sanders has held for several weeks. A week ago, Sanders had a 20-point lead over Clinton.
Today, that lead has shrunk to 7 points, with Clinton polling at 44 percent (up from 37 percent)
and Sanders polling at 51 percent (down from 57 percent). These results strongly suggest that
the race for the Democratic presidential primary in New Hampshire could be tightening.

Clinton's narrow Iowa victory has given her a major lift in the Granite State while Sanders now has reason to be nervous. The Vermont socialist senator was beating the former Secretary of State by a 57-37 percent margin right before the caucuses, but he now clings to just a 51-44 percent lead, according to the new Franklin Pierce-Herald poll of 407 likely Democratic primary voters conducted Feb. 2-6.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2016/02/07/FPU-BH-Feb02-06-Dem_0.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/gtnko23






If he wins by 30 they will look like nimcompoops.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
30. It's not a matter of doing a "wrong" poll, but of choosing things like...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

likely voters instead of registered, landlines disproportionally, etc. to come up with a poll that works as intended for perception campaigns.

This is American politics as usual.



 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
23. Likely voters is a more reliable metric than registered voters. I'm sure Bernie is far ahead on the
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

Registered Voters scale.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
32. I just hope Bernie supporters expect dirty tricks and that nothing in the "news" will...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

influence whether or not they go to the polls

I am heartened to read articles about the younger generation totally distrusting traditional civic institutions - they should!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
6. The surve y is based on responses from 407 randomly selected likely Democratic presidential primar
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

likely Democratic presidential primary voters.
The Demographics ????
407 Wow now that is scientific

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
39. I cannot find the demographic details of the poll, but I don't see any narrative explanation for
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

how Sanders supposedly lost 14% of his lead over the last 7 days.

I think some of the polls are being rigged to show a mystery Clinton "surge" so the voting machines can work their black box magic on Tuesday without the fraud being completely obvious.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
26. After NH, there won't be any race. Hillary will beat him handily in more diverse states.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

The lily white constituencies is NOT reflective of the Democratic Party.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
16. It has sure changed a lot in 3 days
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016














THE DEMOCRATIC RESULTS

Bernie Sanders continues to top Clinton by about a 2-to-1 margin, 61% to 31%. Nearly two-thirds of likely Democratic voters say they have definitely decided whom to support, so the two remaining Democratic candidates are battling over a small share of the likely electorate.



The CNN/WMUR poll was conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center by telephone from February 2-4. The poll includes interviews with a random sample of 751 adult residents of New Hampshire, including 312 who say they plan to vote in the Democratic presidential primary and 287 who plan to vote in the Republican presidential primary. For results among the sample of likely Democratic primary voters, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 5.5 percentage points.




http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/cnn-wmur-new-hampshire-poll-donald-trump-primary/index.html
21. There's No Age Breakdown in this Poll
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

More than likely, older voters are being oversampled. Bernie could be losing some women voters too thanks to Hillary playing up the gender card so hard since Iowa.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
37. It starting to sound like no spin may be necessary.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary could actually win NH if the numbers keep moving her way.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
38. What is the narrative explanation for this sudden Clinton surge?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

Methinks some polls are being rigged to match the planned rigged voting machine results.

I see no narrative explanation whatsoever for why Clinton would be closing any gap with Sanders in New Hampshire.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
43. Guess who won NH in 2008?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016



RESULTS: JANUARY 8, 2008
New Hampshire - Complete results
Democrats Vote % Del
Clinton 112,251 39 9
Obama 104,772 36 9
Edwards 48,681 17 4
Richardson 13,249 5 0
Kucinich 3,919 1 0

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-08-new-hampshire_N.htm

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
45. Possibly but Barack O didn't think so.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

He have a great speech about not looking back and trying harder going forward and took a little heat for it too as I recall.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
48. Yeah, he had a great speech about how his 8.3% margin disappeared in a poof
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

of opsan machine ballot counting even though he won the hand counted precincts handily.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
46. Here is the contact information for Attorney General Lynch
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

Right. Because of voting machines.

She cheated then, just as she is planning to cheat this time around




Here is the contact information for Attorney General Lynch:

Attorney General Lynch
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
202-514-2000



Please contact her and lodge your complaint.


Thank you in advance.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
50. Bernie is lucky the election is so soon. Momentum is really swinging Hillary's way.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

It's going to be close......

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
56. Can't help you. This is a prime example of momentum swinging in a candidates way in one state.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

Pretty much the definition of momentum. it's important to know if this poll was the same one it's being measured against however. You have to measure the Gallup poll numbers against the prior Gallup poll numbers, for example.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
53. You guys and gals crack me up
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

When the polls were turning in Iowa and we were doing this you laughed at us.

Instead of wondering how Bernie (who still will win NH) is slipping, how about wondering how Hillary blew a 56 point lead in NH over the last year

http://newscms.nbcnews.com/sites/newscms/files/new_hampshire_february_2015_annotated_questionnaire_nbc_news-marist_poll.pdf


That's what I thought.

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