2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI personally think Bernie Sanders is a Heck of Person.....
and I understand his goals,
and I respect him,
and I agree with many of them.....
Also,
I understand the message,
I understand the passion,
I understand the relief of hearing what he is saying on a national stage,
I understand the satisfaction of supporting a candidate on the rise after being discounted,
I understand the anger,
I understand the dissatisfaction,
I understand the frustration,
I understand the joy of seeing one's candidate getting good press,
I understand the "Revolution",
I just don't personally think that who Sanders is,
nor his election platform.
will win the Democrats the general election.
Revolution or no.
I think that out of everyone running, to the Left or to the Right,
Hillary Clinton is the person best suited to govern in these times,
for many reasons that I don't need to get into here.....
as you will hear from me about that some more
but that's what I strongly believe,
based on my handicapping the GE,
researching the two candidates,
and understanding that the Corporate Media nor the GOP want to vet Bernie as of yet,
which leaves me feeling suspicious of their motives.
Of course I may be proven incorrect in terms of how the majority of Democrats see it,
guess that's what these primaries are all about!
Whatever happens, in the end,
once all is said and done,
I will support our ticket.
No...this is not a pledge post, as I realize a lot here may not support Clinton/Sanders if she/he wins....
and they should do what they believe....
As I do,
and so this is simply my honest to goodness opinion....no catch!
I'm hoping for more votes on the Democratic side than the Republican side tomorrow.
This will tell us a tiny bit of something of what we will be facing in the GE in November....
whether they are as ready to defeat us as we are ready to defeat them....
in New Hampshire anyways.
For tomorrow's vote,
I say
Good luck to Bernie and His supporters,
But better luck to Hillary, her supporters and me.
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)As a Iowan and a O'Malley supporter I am out of the picture now.. and have to wait for the party to decide who will be the nominee to represent us..
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Thanks.
These days, with so much rancor on these boards,
being nice has its advantages....
I rarely read posts that has negativity in the title...
and I certainly don't want to feel like I'm in High School,
cause I'm not!
Nice to see you Peacetrain!
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Because Hillary can not win based on the issues or her past performance.
That is just the humble opinion of one registered Democratic member who goes by PowerToThePeople on an internet discussion board.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)it is not the same as running in primaries.
I've seen it before, how a candidate loved by the left,
ends up being trounced in the GE.
I believe that Hillary has less of a handicap in that respect,
barring the board that you go to.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)The left rejected Hillary even then. It worked out very well. Good luck tomorrow!
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)than the left "rejected" Bernie when he lost by a tiny amount in Iowa.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)pnwmom
(108,991 posts)Hekate
(90,787 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)I just don't think that folks disagree as much as they say....
as I realize this is the primary season,
and I understand what folks believe there is much at stake.
My eyes is on the prize,
where they needs to be.
I don't need my children and the children of others,
wandering in the desert for 25 more years
which is what this election could cost us.
We have GOP assholes as opponents who have many more advantages than we do,
in terms of Corporate media, how they treat Democrats so much differently then how they treat Republicans....
and in terms of funding, and none of this is by accident.
I do consider Hillary to be a great progressive (on most issues)
I consider Sanders to be an ultra progressive (on most issues)
Meantime, I consider Barack Obama to have done an outstanding job while
having to do much of the fighting by himself....
as he is attacked every day by Republicans,
with few Democrats defending him in any way....
and in fact tend to pile on...
but I am so very sad for him that he is judged on everything myopically,
while FDR is deemed so great, even after having incarcerated an entire group of people for their ethnicity,
of coming up with a Social Security program that specifically excluded Blacks in a sneaky way.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Thank you FrenchieCat!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I respect your opinion. You are decent in expressing it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)to paraphrase a Jewish rabbi named Hillel.
We can always rationalize that soon, not now, but soon, will be the time for real change. Change you can believe in. But constantly saying that it is almost time for change leads to frustration, apathy, anger.
Some on the Sanders side believe that the Sanders vision represents the real change, or the beginning, the foundation of real change.
And some on the Hillary Clinton side believe the same.
I also will vote for the Democratic nominee in November. But my head and my heart tell me that real change is achievable if we believe in it and work for it.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I agree with your message.
I will support Hillary if she wins the nomination. No question.
Myself, I am tired of the incessant shit-flinging at Sanders supporters masquerading as issues-oriented discussion, being called a "bro", all that ridiculous garbage. And yes, I am sure there are people on the other side who are tired of stuff being thrown at them.
But there is nothing that any random yubnub on the interwebs could say, that would make me NOT support the Democratic Nominee this November.
That's how I roll.
JRug
(17 posts)I'm a Bernie fan, but I'm wishing Hillary luck, too. But I hope that Bernie has a little better luck tomorrow than she does, of course.
(I'm glad to make this my first post!)
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)It shows nothing but weakness for your candidate...
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)while I might believe that you feeling compelled to say this in this thread,
shows that what you say about me
may be possibly true about you.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I can't read your mind of what you are really trying to say...
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Did you want to know what I say?
If so here
and if not, never mind....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511152030
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=38288
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738887
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511118864
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118738275
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511055379
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=132844&page=3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110735758
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Why do you think the republicans are sooooo desperate for Clinton to
win the primaries?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)maybe the country needs to hit bottom to turn things around
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)No thanks.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and to your priorities....
that's your choice,
and since I don't have to live it with it, fine with me!
Beacool
(30,251 posts)You always write well. I remember your posts supporting Obama in 2008. It's nice to see that we are now on the same side.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Remember you too! A fierce advocate you were and are still too!
Beacool
(30,251 posts)How's your lovely daughter. I think that she was in college back in '08.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)She was a fierce visible advocate (organizing with BLM and others groups)
trying to change Ferguson as she was at WASHU at the time....(they did succeed too!)
She impressed me....I said, jeeze, she's taken after her Mama! LOL!
She's doing well, now in Boston, as a Harvard visiting Fellow
with a husband and my grandson!
Beacool
(30,251 posts)She's working on her PhD? Good for her!!! She's one smart woman.
Nice.....
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)She's done all of the coursework and is now simply writing a disertation which was approved, although she says she also writing a book! She's been published a number of times as well! She won't have it hard....I just fear for the other kids!
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Congratulations!!!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Good luck tomorrow.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)if winning the general election is your thing
californiabernin
(421 posts)I understand exactly where you are coming from. I get it.
I just can't not vote what I believe in, though. Maybe it's a weakness.
I will certainly vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination, I'm not that nuts! Still, that would be a real letdown if she wins the nomination because I think this year there is a real opportunity for change.
It could be history looks back on this year as the whole American political system going to hell in a hand basket. What if Bloomberg runs? What if nobody gets a majority of the electoral college?
Oh God, does the House or something get to choose the President then?? I have to reread my constitution...
Regardless, I'm done not voting for what I believe in. I think in the long run that's best if everybody votes without fear for what they really, truly believe in. Even Sanders just winning the nomination would send a huge message to the establishment, and I still don't buy the argument that Clinton is a stronger GE candidate. It could be they both would lose, or both would win the GE. No way to know, only guess. Just have to believe in something and not cower out of fear or we will never be heard or taken seriously.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)nice post!
RFKHumphreyObama
(15,164 posts)I admired your passion and enthusiasm for Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign and after and have missed seeing you and your posts on DU and am glad you are back (I also took quite a long absence from DU). That was a beautiful and eloquent post from you, although I would expect no less from such a great contributor here.
I do not share your enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton -even though I admire and respect her in many ways. Yet I am not enthusiastic about Bernie either even though I also have a lot of respect for him. I agree with much of what you say here. As someone who is not an American citizen nor resident, I have no say in the voting process. But what happens in America quite often shapes the world -as was discovered in all too much a bad way when George W Bush was in power -and I am desperately hoping that a Democrat retains the White House in 2016 because most of the alternatives are freaking scary. This President has done so much in improving America and the world's lot in domestic and foreign policy. I have not agreed with him on anything but he's been the best President in my lifetime in so many ways and I am already counting down the days with dread and apprehension until he leaves office. I'm going to miss him
Thanks for this great post once again, Frenchie!
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)And I will say, I'm glad I got to live in the age of Obama! Yes, indeed!
Prism
(5,815 posts)So what you do or don't think is good for the party is absolutely immaterial to me. Your judgement is damaged.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Hold on to that sentiment of yours..if it helps you in whatever small way!