2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWake up Democrats, Hillary is the only choice
It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party. The New Hampshire primary is days away and Super Tuesday is less than a month away. And while accepting the reality that Senator Bernie Sanders will have a sizeable win next week in New Hampshire, Democratic rank and file voters need to recognize that if they want to keep the White House, the only sane course of action going forward is to make sure that the party nominates the candidate who is most qualified and who has the best chance of winning in the general election.
Winning in November is not about who can draw the biggest crowds on college campuses or who can generate buzz and excitement among Democrats in the early contests, it's about who can go the distance, who can appeal to a broad audience and who can win in November. The Democrats need to understand that whoever emerges from the cage match Republican primary Rubio, Cruz, Bush or Trump will be battle-tested and field-organized and, thanks to Citizens United, will have access to unlimited amounts of money. Bernie Sanders is as ill-equipped to be a viable general election candidate as Donald Trump is to be President of the United States.
If the Democrats actually nominate Bernie Sanders, it will be the equivalent of bringing "a knife to a gunfight," as Jim Malone, Sean Connery's character in "The Untouchables," famously said.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/02/hillary-clinton-is-the-only-choice-for-democrats-commentary.html
merrily
(45,251 posts)Senator Sanders is doing just fine in head to head match up polls and I fear for Hillary in the general.
The lobbyist author has a different opinion from both me and the polls, but you know what they say about opinions -- Everyone has one.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Great response to the arrogant article. The sense of entitlement is stinking high to Heaven.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Does that matter to you?
Ogilvy Government Relations is a bipartisan lobbying shop and part of the WPP network that includes Ogilvy Public Relations, OgilvyOne and Ogilvy and Mather. The firm lobbies on behalf of Verizon, Pfizer, the Recording Industry Association of America and Rosetta Stone. This year, Ogilvy underwent major changes: chief executive Drew Maloney left for the Mitt Romney campaign, chairman Wayne Berman joined private equity firm Blackstone, the firms biggest client, and several senior lobbyists departed to other firms.
Trivia
Ogilvy lobbyist Tony Bullock was Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihans longest serving chief of staff -- four years, two months.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/top-dc-companies/2012/company/ogilvy-government-relations/694/
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Do you realize you're quoting a lobbyist? And that Ogilvny Government Relations, his firm, is a lobbying firm? And he is posting this on CNBC, of all places?
I mean, yeah, I can see why to him, Hillary is the only choice.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)tm1323
(23 posts)Sanders is no less electable than Hillary Clinton. Yeah, they'll go after Sanders and call him a socialist, the same thing they've said about Clinton for the last 20 years. The same thing they said about Obama. What Sanders doesn't have is the baggage of an e-mail scandal that the Republicans will spend millions trying to expose.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)A black guy with the name Barack Hussein Obama survived being called every name in the book (Kenyan Communist, Manchurian Muslim, etc.). As you mentioned, the email thing is not going away for Hillary. It was a huge mistake to set up that private server and I wish it never happened because I am sick of hearing about it.
Given all of that, I would be curious to see Bernie get the opportunity to say that the Democratic nominee is absolutely not in the back pocket of corporations while the GOP nominee is 100% in the back pocket of corporations. It would be a huge clash of philosophy and he has a lot of winning issues that the majority of the public supports.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)I'm thinking the repubs start to take a closer look at the Rosatom deal from when she was SecState. Her foundation received 2.35 million before the deal and Bill got a half million speaking engagement after the deal so close to 3 million so the State Department would sign off on a deal that sold 20% of our uranium production to the Russians in what appears to be a huge conflict of interest and for a company whose donations she failed to disclose to the White House despite assurances she would do exactly that while SecState.
Link to Rosatom (now called Uranium One) story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)An appeal to Baby Boomers.
Free public college and universal healthcare must be the reality and is the best reason for seniors to vote for Sanders. A vote for Clinton pulls the rug out from underneath your children's children and condemns them to lives less healthy than Baby Boomer's.
Come on, Mom and Dad, I'm your grown up son, and Hillary is bad for grandkids. Join me in making their future a strong one.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)She is to interested in keeping the status quo to do anything for the rest of us.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Here's the proof using Trump:
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
I can't say he has a huge advantage over Hillary but if the odds are even equal, this meme is garbage.
Both have the advantage and I do believe that Americans in the general will not fail us.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)and she's not even the best choice.
merrily
(45,251 posts)safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)Oxymoron hits it on the nail head.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)But it will not come to that.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Recent national CNN poll
Cruz 50%
Clinton 47%
Rubio 50%
Clinton 47%
Clinton 48%
Trump 47%
Sanders 50%
Cruz 47%
Sanders 49%
Rubio 48%
Sanders 50%
Trump 47%
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/poll-republicans-results-cnn-orc/index.html
Recent national Qunnipiac poll
Clinton 46, Trump 41
Clinton 45, Cruz 45
Rubio 48, Clinton 41
Sanders 49, Trump 39
Sanders 46, Cruz 42
Sanders 43, Rubio 43
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2321
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)America can't tolerate another president who refuses to prosecute Wall Street criminals.
Bernie's $27 a head army of supporters will provide enough funds to take on the Republicans and win. And his campaign funding allows us to trust him that he will take on Wall Street crooks once he gets into office.
Current officeholders simply cannot conceive of funding their campaigns without lobbyist cash, so they say Bernie is a sure loser and endorse Hillary. And their lobbyist buddies say the same, as this article does.
We're going to show them how wrong they are.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Or we'll kill this adorable puppy
Your choice
merrily
(45,251 posts)Kall
(615 posts)because this lobbyist says so, seems more on the nose.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)I'm not familiar with the "Democrat Party" Who are they and who are their candidates. I am aware of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party...and even the Green and Libertarian parties...but not the Democrat Party.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)of people telling me what is going to happen in the future without at least them proving their abilities by giving me the next set of lottery numbers!! This selfishness has got to stop!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)No: we are bringing the guy who will end the gun fight (= make corporate corruption illegal again).
WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE BLOODY GUN FIGHT!
But please... I'm so sorry for interrupting. You were busy being tone-deaf, I believe?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)No more Clintons.
cali
(114,904 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I am awake
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)would be the beginning of the end for big money buying our government. 1. After blowing millions and millions and getting nothing for it. 2. We will have someone dedicated to taking the 1% out of power in elections.
Nothing but good stuff for out country with a Bernie win.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Yeah, this guy's credible
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He has used right wing sources before.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I won't be voting for Clinton, BECAUSE I have been wide awake.
So fuck you Tony Bullock, lobbyist, Ogilvy Government Relations and the slimy corporation you rode in on.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)It's maddening to hear "I love Bernie, but I'm going to vote for Hillary because she's the safest choice".
People who say this are not being pragmatic, they're not being rational, they're not being realistic. They're afraid.
They're afraid to use their power against a system that is not working for the American people, save a handful at the top. It's really sad they can't stand up and use their vote to say "enough is enough", even if in their heart that's how they really feel.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lol
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...lost me right there. Whoever wrote this article can't even get the party's name right. Fuck them.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i am sure they aren't biased
basselope
(2,565 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)
You have the worst crop of GOP candidates imaginable and she is not polling well against any of them.
She doesn't have a viable path to victory in November.