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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 06:53 AM Feb 2016

Wake up Democrats, Hillary is the only choice

Mercifully, the Iowa Caucus is over, and after a long and eventful night, both parties have plenty to think about.

It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party. The New Hampshire primary is days away and Super Tuesday is less than a month away. And while accepting the reality that Senator Bernie Sanders will have a sizeable win next week in New Hampshire, Democratic rank and file voters need to recognize that if they want to keep the White House, the only sane course of action going forward is to make sure that the party nominates the candidate who is most qualified and who has the best chance of winning in the general election.

Winning in November is not about who can draw the biggest crowds on college campuses or who can generate buzz and excitement among Democrats in the early contests, it's about who can go the distance, who can appeal to a broad audience and who can win in November. The Democrats need to understand that whoever emerges from the cage match Republican primary – Rubio, Cruz, Bush or Trump – will be battle-tested and field-organized and, thanks to Citizens United, will have access to unlimited amounts of money. Bernie Sanders is as ill-equipped to be a viable general election candidate as Donald Trump is to be President of the United States.

If the Democrats actually nominate Bernie Sanders, it will be the equivalent of bringing "a knife to a gunfight," as Jim Malone, Sean Connery's character in "The Untouchables," famously said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/02/hillary-clinton-is-the-only-choice-for-democrats-commentary.html


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Wake up Democrats, Hillary is the only choice (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP
LOL! The byline is "Tony Bullock, lobbyist, Ogilvy Government Relations" merrily Feb 2016 #1
And these days: every rich person even has his / her own polls. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #21
Wake up Hillarians, the author is a lobbyist. Wilms Feb 2016 #2
Good catch! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #35
WTF Kall Feb 2016 #3
These OPs are the funniest things-REINFORCING HOW CORRUPT the media and political institutions are! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #34
This is a narrative driven by the Clinton campaign tm1323 Feb 2016 #4
Great points TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #12
Not just the email scandal nil desperandum Feb 2016 #37
The only choice for destroying your grandchildren's future Android3.14 Feb 2016 #5
Sure, she is perfect if you want a dead planet. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #6
Bernie shows as the best bet in poll after poll against Republicans. tecelote Feb 2016 #7
^^THIS^^ n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #9
No, she's not the 'only' choice.... daleanime Feb 2016 #8
Not to mention that "only choice" is an oxymoron. A one off does not a choice make. merrily Feb 2016 #14
^ sage wisdom. safeinOhio Feb 2016 #24
True.... daleanime Feb 2016 #25
She's my absolute last choice farleftlib Feb 2016 #41
Absolutely false, Bernie does better in the general election jfern Feb 2016 #10
Bernie's as qualified as anybody in the race, and there's no evidence Hillary can win Dems to Win Feb 2016 #11
Vote for Hillary! Press Virginia Feb 2016 #13
Good one! merrily Feb 2016 #15
Vote for Hillary Kall Feb 2016 #16
Lobbyists for Hillary 2016! Yeayyyy! merrily Feb 2016 #17
Heh... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #18
It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party. Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #19
I am getting sick and tired ejbr Feb 2016 #20
Bringing a knife to a gun fight? (= corporately corrupted elections) Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #22
No, thanks. bigwillq Feb 2016 #23
Quoting a lobbyist: PRICELESS cali Feb 2016 #26
Nope Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #27
Well, that's just ducky SecularMotion Feb 2016 #31
not getting the responses you wanted Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #33
The best part of a Bernie win safeinOhio Feb 2016 #28
Democrat Party Arazi Feb 2016 #29
par for the one that posted it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #32
This Democrat has been awake for a very long time. 99Forever Feb 2016 #30
OP is an EPIC FAIL! - NT KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #36
Hillary is the only choice for Democrats who have given up. Avalux Feb 2016 #38
Only SANE course of action? Is this the new replacement for "REALISTIC" Hillary?? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #39
"It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party."... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #40
cnbc....all money talk, all day restorefreedom Feb 2016 #42
Do these people realize Hilary can't win?? basselope Feb 2016 #43

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. LOL! The byline is "Tony Bullock, lobbyist, Ogilvy Government Relations"
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 06:58 AM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders is doing just fine in head to head match up polls and I fear for Hillary in the general.

The lobbyist author has a different opinion from both me and the polls, but you know what they say about opinions -- Everyone has one.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. And these days: every rich person even has his / her own polls.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:38 AM
Feb 2016

Great response to the arrogant article. The sense of entitlement is stinking high to Heaven.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
2. Wake up Hillarians, the author is a lobbyist.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:00 AM
Feb 2016

Does that matter to you?

9. Ogilvy Government Relations

Ogilvy Government Relations is a bipartisan lobbying shop and part of the WPP network that includes Ogilvy Public Relations, OgilvyOne and Ogilvy and Mather. The firm lobbies on behalf of Verizon, Pfizer, the Recording Industry Association of America and Rosetta Stone. This year, Ogilvy underwent major changes: chief executive Drew Maloney left for the Mitt Romney campaign, chairman Wayne Berman joined private equity firm Blackstone, the firm’s biggest client, and several senior lobbyists departed to other firms.
Trivia

Ogilvy lobbyist Tony Bullock was Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s longest serving chief of staff -- four years, two months.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/top-dc-companies/2012/company/ogilvy-government-relations/694/


Kall

(615 posts)
3. WTF
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:02 AM
Feb 2016

Do you realize you're quoting a lobbyist? And that Ogilvny Government Relations, his firm, is a lobbying firm? And he is posting this on CNBC, of all places?

I mean, yeah, I can see why to him, Hillary is the only choice.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
34. These OPs are the funniest things-REINFORCING HOW CORRUPT the media and political institutions are!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:34 AM
Feb 2016

tm1323

(23 posts)
4. This is a narrative driven by the Clinton campaign
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:02 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders is no less electable than Hillary Clinton. Yeah, they'll go after Sanders and call him a socialist, the same thing they've said about Clinton for the last 20 years. The same thing they said about Obama. What Sanders doesn't have is the baggage of an e-mail scandal that the Republicans will spend millions trying to expose.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
12. Great points
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:15 AM
Feb 2016

A black guy with the name Barack Hussein Obama survived being called every name in the book (Kenyan Communist, Manchurian Muslim, etc.). As you mentioned, the email thing is not going away for Hillary. It was a huge mistake to set up that private server and I wish it never happened because I am sick of hearing about it.

Given all of that, I would be curious to see Bernie get the opportunity to say that the Democratic nominee is absolutely not in the back pocket of corporations while the GOP nominee is 100% in the back pocket of corporations. It would be a huge clash of philosophy and he has a lot of winning issues that the majority of the public supports.

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
37. Not just the email scandal
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

I'm thinking the repubs start to take a closer look at the Rosatom deal from when she was SecState. Her foundation received 2.35 million before the deal and Bill got a half million speaking engagement after the deal so close to 3 million so the State Department would sign off on a deal that sold 20% of our uranium production to the Russians in what appears to be a huge conflict of interest and for a company whose donations she failed to disclose to the White House despite assurances she would do exactly that while SecState.


Link to Rosatom (now called Uranium One) story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
5. The only choice for destroying your grandchildren's future
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:03 AM
Feb 2016

An appeal to Baby Boomers.
Free public college and universal healthcare must be the reality and is the best reason for seniors to vote for Sanders. A vote for Clinton pulls the rug out from underneath your children's children and condemns them to lives less healthy than Baby Boomer's.

Come on, Mom and Dad, I'm your grown up son, and Hillary is bad for grandkids. Join me in making their future a strong one.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
6. Sure, she is perfect if you want a dead planet.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

She is to interested in keeping the status quo to do anything for the rest of us.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
7. Bernie shows as the best bet in poll after poll against Republicans.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:06 AM
Feb 2016

Here's the proof using Trump:

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

I can't say he has a huge advantage over Hillary but if the odds are even equal, this meme is garbage.

Both have the advantage and I do believe that Americans in the general will not fail us.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
10. Absolutely false, Bernie does better in the general election
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:10 AM
Feb 2016

Recent national CNN poll
Cruz 50%
Clinton 47%

Rubio 50%
Clinton 47%

Clinton 48%
Trump 47%

Sanders 50%
Cruz 47%

Sanders 49%
Rubio 48%

Sanders 50%
Trump 47%

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/poll-republicans-results-cnn-orc/index.html

Recent national Qunnipiac poll

Clinton 46, Trump 41
Clinton 45, Cruz 45
Rubio 48, Clinton 41

Sanders 49, Trump 39
Sanders 46, Cruz 42
Sanders 43, Rubio 43

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2321

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
11. Bernie's as qualified as anybody in the race, and there's no evidence Hillary can win
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:10 AM
Feb 2016

America can't tolerate another president who refuses to prosecute Wall Street criminals.

Bernie's $27 a head army of supporters will provide enough funds to take on the Republicans and win. And his campaign funding allows us to trust him that he will take on Wall Street crooks once he gets into office.

Current officeholders simply cannot conceive of funding their campaigns without lobbyist cash, so they say Bernie is a sure loser and endorse Hillary. And their lobbyist buddies say the same, as this article does.

We're going to show them how wrong they are.

 

Roy Ellefson

(279 posts)
19. It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:29 AM
Feb 2016

I'm not familiar with the "Democrat Party" Who are they and who are their candidates. I am aware of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party...and even the Green and Libertarian parties...but not the Democrat Party.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
20. I am getting sick and tired
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:35 AM
Feb 2016

of people telling me what is going to happen in the future without at least them proving their abilities by giving me the next set of lottery numbers!! This selfishness has got to stop!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
22. Bringing a knife to a gun fight? (= corporately corrupted elections)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 07:41 AM
Feb 2016

No: we are bringing the guy who will end the gun fight (= make corporate corruption illegal again).

WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE BLOODY GUN FIGHT!

But please... I'm so sorry for interrupting. You were busy being tone-deaf, I believe?

safeinOhio

(32,714 posts)
28. The best part of a Bernie win
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016

would be the beginning of the end for big money buying our government. 1. After blowing millions and millions and getting nothing for it. 2. We will have someone dedicated to taking the 1% out of power in elections.

Nothing but good stuff for out country with a Bernie win.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
30. This Democrat has been awake for a very long time.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

I won't be voting for Clinton, BECAUSE I have been wide awake.

So fuck you Tony Bullock, lobbyist, Ogilvy Government Relations and the slimy corporation you rode in on.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
38. Hillary is the only choice for Democrats who have given up.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

It's maddening to hear "I love Bernie, but I'm going to vote for Hillary because she's the safest choice".

People who say this are not being pragmatic, they're not being rational, they're not being realistic. They're afraid.

They're afraid to use their power against a system that is not working for the American people, save a handful at the top. It's really sad they can't stand up and use their vote to say "enough is enough", even if in their heart that's how they really feel.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
40. "It's "wake up and get real time" for the Democrat Party."...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

...lost me right there. Whoever wrote this article can't even get the party's name right. Fuck them.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
43. Do these people realize Hilary can't win??
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)

You have the worst crop of GOP candidates imaginable and she is not polling well against any of them.

She doesn't have a viable path to victory in November.

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