2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumQuestion - Based On Debate, Are You More Or Less Clear On Romney's Agenda?
Consider what you read and understood about Romney's positions as a candidate. Now, based on the debate, did it reinforce and clarify those positions or make them more obscure?
FirstLight
(13,364 posts)I was really pissed when he was railing on our POTUS saying that the economy and jobs have gotten worse in 4 years, bullshit!!!
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)But I don't. His staff will walk his comments back tomorrow, as usual.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I am not asking if you are for or against Romney. Rather, do you have a clearer idea of what he stands for or not?
HuskiesHowls
(711 posts)However, I now have absolutely NO idea what Romney's agenda is going to be. He changed position on everything I've seen in ads (and I have had to watch a lot of ads!!!).
Mr.Bill
(24,318 posts)appeared to be something he made up this morning. As usual.
The Etch-a-Sketch was working overtime tonight.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)motor-mouth. meaning clarity suffers. Some people do that when they know they're on loose footing, talk fast and make the audience think you really know your stuff. To me, it became boring, a lot of words flying by, like a used car salesman trying to sell you a lemon of a car.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)Foe 18 months we've heard what his plan is and tonight he said the complete opposite!
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)peeple"
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,327 posts)Facts, time limits, tax laws... those don't apply.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Basically if Romney had simply answered "You just have to trust me on this one, Jim" it would have been EXACTLY the same information content that we received.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Another odd thing is that nearly everybody agrees that Romney was lying out his ass, but the consensus is that he still won the debate. So weird.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...but still lose the election as I noted in a pre-debate thread below. At the end of the day, Romney's biggest problem has been trust. Remember, Romney moved RIGHT of Perry and Gingrich on immigration during the primary debates. Romney is a skilled debater, but in terms of trust and vision, people on the left and right distrust him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251111366
My biggest concern was that Romney could explain and justify his positions. He didn't. He abandoned them. The 20% tax cut. Pre-existing conditions. Etc. So, yay for him that President Obama could not land a clean blow. But, in the end, Romney simply reinforced the perception that he has no core except doing and saying what is helpful for Mitt Romney.
marlakay
(11,488 posts)He smiled at Obama while Obama was speaking. Obama looked down or smirked.
Mitt knew a ton of people would tune in who don't pay attention until now and won't fact check so all he had to do was say what they would want to hear even if it was a lie.
I say he won as a great actor tonight and it made me sad watching the debate and scared of the not paying attention people believing him
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Norrin Radd
(4,959 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)I didn't understand it before (because he kept flip-flopping), but after tonight's 'performance,' I have a crushing headache. So I guess my answer would be a hearty "less."
Overseas
(12,121 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...of Romney's pre-debate positions. I personally think that whether you are a right winger or on the left, you might agree that Romney won on "points," but are even less clear on what Romney stands for. He seemed to distance himself a huge 20% tax cut as well as saying that he wants to repeal Obamacare, but is for a ban on dropping people based on pre-existing conditions, which his camp had disavowed a week ago?
So, great in terms of avoiding getting hit, but setting an agenda and giving people a reason to vote for you?
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)God help us all if he is elected. Anyone who lies that easily is extremely dangerous.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)but if I didn't do my research and know better, I'd be thoroughly confused. He contradicted his stump speeches. The guy's a true sociopath.