2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes taking campaign contributions from corporations disqualify any Dem from any office?
The new Bernie standard is that if a candidate takes campaign contributions from corporations, then they cannot be trusted and should not get the support of the people. Is this the new standard?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or is this just another straw man?
RDANGELO
(3,434 posts)That is why I am supporting Bernie.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)ecstatic
(32,729 posts)who is progressive, which policy positions are appropriate, which contributions are appropriate, which pay rate for a speech is appropriate, which deodorant is appropriate, which super pac is appropriate, etc.
I guess we have to wait and find out where the almighty Bernie, progressive gatekeeper, stands on it to know if it's OK or not.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)whether it will be the status quo or something different. Bernie will not decide it.
ecstatic
(32,729 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)now would you?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)THAT IS THE LAW.
All this talk about Hillary getting money from Banks is actually the rank and file employees of the banks giving money to her campaign.
However, in an "artful smear" maneuver, it is portrayed as though the banks wrote a large check to Hillary's campaign, which of course, never happened.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)We find evidence in favor of a crossactor
substitution effect in which corporate executives make contributions in lieu of corporatelinked
PACs when the PACs face restrictions on contributing to specific candidates. http://www.utexas.edu/cola/_files/ms37643/Richter_Werner_2013_07_13_Contribs_from_Execs_in_lieu_of_PACs.pdf
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)In a newly constructed dataset, with 6,803,661
observations, that includes all CEO-firm-candidate contribution pairs for active
S&P500 firms over an 18-year period, we find that corporate executives increase
personal giving to specific candidates in lieu of their corporate-linked PACs in a
form of cross-actor substitution among corporate-linked sources of campaign
contributions. http://www.utexas.edu/cola/_files/ms37643/Richter_Werner_2013_07_13_Contribs_from_Execs_in_lieu_of_PACs.pdf
Actual contributions, actual data
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and want to donate to Bernie, if I gave him individually while my stand gave to the Nurse's PAC and I adjusted the payments based upon what I can afford, how is that a problem?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)so your contribution will carry no weight whoever you give it to.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I still can only give $2700 to a candidate. PERIOD
Your argument fails miserably. Good luck on your next post.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)SuperPAC!
Human101948
(3,457 posts)wink, wink, independently. Nnow we are suddenly talking about influential sums.
I don't think you are are as obtuse as you pretend to be.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)There is still a $2700 maximum that one can give.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)COLNTRIBUTOR TOTAL INDIVIDUALS PACS
Citigroup Inc $824,402 $816,402 $8,000
Goldman Sachs $760,740 $750,740 $10,000
DLA Piper $700,530 $673,530 $27,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $696,456 $693,456 $3,000
Morgan Stanley $636,564 $631,564 $5,000
EMILY's List $609,684 $605,764 $3,920
Time Warner $501,831 $476,831 $25,000
Skadden, Arps et al $469,290 $464,790 $4,500
University of California $417,327 $417,327 $0
Sullivan & Cromwell $369,150 $369,150 $0
Akin, Gump et al $364,478 $360,978 $3,500
Lehman Brothers $362,853 $359,853 $3,000
21st Century Fox $340,936 $340,936 $0
Cablevision Systems $336,613 $307,225 $29,388
Kirkland & Ellis $329,141 $312,141 $17,000
National Amusements Inc $328,312 $325,312 $3,000
Squire Patton Boggs $328,306 $322,868 $5,438
Greenberg Traurig LLP $327,890 $319,790 $8,100
Corning Inc $322,450 $304,450 $18,000
Credit Suisse Group $318,120 $308,120 $10,000
This table lists the top donors to this candidate in 1999-2016. The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)not by the firms themselves --- DOH
Human101948
(3,457 posts)You are very badly misinformed. No need to reply.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)OZi
(155 posts)Is there NOT a reason why we should be "publicly shaming" lobbyists like Hillary says we should do?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)In other words, it should if there's a better alternative who did not.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)He disagrees with both of those values and that judgment call.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)End Citizens United.
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Nanjeanne
(4,975 posts)have screwed up our democracy.
Bernie is setting a new standard and if he can show he can raise money this way - wouldn't it be great if he opened the way for other politicians to follow. That would be something I would think Democrats would be cheering.
Wanting money out of politics and forging the way isn't something to be derided IMHO.