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WTF? Is Hillary counting superdelegates as "won" ??? (Original Post) AtomicKitten Feb 2016 OP
So, when and where has the democratic convention been held ALREADY where these votes have been cast? cascadiance Feb 2016 #1
VT has only 1 superdelegete ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2016 #16
She did in 2008. plus5mace Feb 2016 #2
Distorting absolutely everything possible. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #3
Inevitabilty demands she claim them as 'won' Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #4
It would be great if all votes were so super duper NowSam Feb 2016 #5
Bernie may pick off 1 or 2, but those are establishment "votes" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #6
Umm, so what exactly is the problem? Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #7
So how is a super delegate a "democratic system" vote? cascadiance Feb 2016 #17
News flash! SUPER DELEGATES COUNT! That is how you win primaries. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #8
They don't cast votes until the CONVENTION. Fearless Feb 2016 #12
NEWS Flash! You are wrong. They are irrelevant! morningfog Feb 2016 #18
yup Karma13612 Feb 2016 #9
Especially when you consider how well counting superdelegtes worked last time around rocktivity Feb 2016 #10
I think I just found my new sig line! frylock Feb 2016 #14
She is and the media has been too in select locations. Fearless Feb 2016 #11
Heh - Give her the head start.... she'll NEED it. reformist2 Feb 2016 #13
Hillary's handicap. She does need the head start. morningfog Feb 2016 #20
Remember the super delegate 'lead' she touted in '08? Once the worm turned.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #15
its the sign of a dishonest and desperate campaign restorefreedom Feb 2016 #19
This is how the Democratic Party works, yes. Tarc Feb 2016 #21
Hillary, more than anyone, should know superdelegates are not a sure thing. Vinca Feb 2016 #22
She had the early advantage in money and name recognition. Orsino Feb 2016 #23
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
1. So, when and where has the democratic convention been held ALREADY where these votes have been cast?
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

Those votes perhaps could be PROJECTED votes for Hillary, but they've not been cast yet.

A LIE in those poll results!!!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
16. VT has only 1 superdelegete
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 05:52 AM
Feb 2016

allocated so far, according to the wiki, "List of Democratic superdelegates, 2016."

That leaves 31 delegates to be allocated by NH's electoral process. With 27 of those 31 already allocated, the best outcome Bernie can hope for is beating Hilary by two delegates out of the 31, according to the Politico results page at http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-hampshire?lo=ut_d1

Currently, HRC actually is ahead of SBS 14 to 13 with 27 of the 31 determined already.

If HRC gets two of the 4 delegates still outstanding, she will have beaten SBS by 1 election-determined delegate. In any case, just like Bernie opined loudly that IA's 23-21 HRC delegate victory was a tie, NH's outcome will be very close.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
4. Inevitabilty demands she claim them as 'won'
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:47 PM
Feb 2016

When actual NH votes go the other way, she must cling to anything keeping the notion alive.

"Please believe I'm still in the lead. Look at the size of my column in this graphic."

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
7. Umm, so what exactly is the problem?
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

Superdelegates are still delegates, and they vote at the convention. Her lead is real, and it's a huge part of the reason why Bernie will remain a huge underdog, regardless of how tonight plays out.

Sorry that you disagree with her choice of verb, but it doesn't make the problem less severe for Bernie.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
17. So how is a super delegate a "democratic system" vote?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

If these votes are cast differently than and swing the election in Clinton's favor, the "Democratic" Party will be viewed by the electorate to no longer supporting a real system of democracy in how it elects its leaders, and the party will then DIE! And deservedly so! And those who cast those "votes" undemocratically will be thrown out of politics, also DESERVEDLY SO!!!

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
18. NEWS Flash! You are wrong. They are irrelevant!
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

How many super delegates did Hillary get that the convention in '08?

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
9. yup
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

That's why, when the Iowa results started flowing in, Hillary was really far ahead immediately.

I think it was because they were reporting her super-dels.

Seems a little tilted.

ah well, all's fair in love and politics

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
15. Remember the super delegate 'lead' she touted in '08? Once the worm turned....
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:16 PM
Feb 2016

.....so did the tide of super delegates. You will see some jump ship after tonight, and even more go if Bernie wins in NV.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
19. its the sign of a dishonest and desperate campaign
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:34 AM
Feb 2016

more misleading bullshit from camp clinton and her pr wing, the m$m. they need to stop posting supers as if they are delegates already won by the people. they are establishment votes she schmoozed to get, and they will switch their vote at the convention if bernie has the popular vote.

fyi, this is exactly why she is losing. not trustworthy, dishonest, and misleading.

and this is why bernie put the m$m on notice last night.

stop the lying!!!!!!!!!!

edit.. one good thing is that most people are not paying attention to the delegates but the popular vote. but of those paying attention, this purposeful misrepresentation is getting confusing and will just help bernie's narrative about the fix being in.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
21. This is how the Democratic Party works, yes.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

As it stands at this moment, Clinton has 15 NH delegates, Sander 13.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
23. She had the early advantage in money and name recognition.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

I think she can fairly claim delegates that have declared for her, and work the inevitable ility angle for as long as she can.

It's capitalizing on our general ignorance of the process, but so is some of her platform, IMO.

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