2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is not the campaign that Hillary Clinton and the party envisioned...
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(But) even amid the dour news on Tuesday night, there was confident talk. "We'll do well in March. And that's where the ballgame is," Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta said. The (Clinton) campaign released a three-page memo...touting (her) strength in the upcoming states and noting, rightly, that there were far more delegates to gain there...
(T)he memo read..."In total, 1,875 delegates will be awarded in the first 15 days of March, including nearly 900 on Super Tuesday alone. When you take into account the large number of Super Delegate commitments weve secured, as well as Hillarys commanding lead in the polls in delegate-rich states, she is in a very strong position to become the nominee."
That Clinton's team has to rely on sharp analytics and delegate math-crunching to make the case for her winning the nomination is, in and of itself, remarkable. She wasn't supposed to be in this type of protracted struggle, certainly not against someone who wasn't even a Democrat...
Easy on the melodrama, Huffpo -- two primary contests, one of which was held in a candidate's back yard, do not a "protracted struggle" make. But it does mean that it's time to get this out of the mothballs:
As for Hillary's treasury of superdelegate commitments, here's another little artifact from 2008:
I'm not saying that Hillary's approach can't work, just that it didn't work last time.
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7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)SUPER TUESDAY this is going to be!
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Given the exit polls from NH, showing Bernie kicking butt in almost all demographics, I suspect some of those superdelegates are starting to have second thoughts.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)They are not going to be able to stand in the way of democracy, and if they do, there will be hell to pay.
Enough of these stupid pledges - it makes me think of Animal House for some reason - lol.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
Check out the link...
Fracking, KXL, If election, would she do a Chris Christie and let ExxonMobile out of a Climate Change/Pollution settlement?
Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests
http://grist.org/climate-energy/hillary-clinton-rakes-in-money-from-fossil-fuel-interests/
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HassleCat
(6,409 posts)And it may be the right time to do it. We knew we would have to fight this battle someday. There has been growing dissatisfaction with the "third way or whatever we want to call it. We win the presidency with some regularity, but we lose at all other levels of government. We lost Congress. State legislatures are hopelessly Republican, many of them stacked to the rafters with crazy, dangerous Republicans. How many governors are Democrats? Even when we win the presidency, many of our congressional candidates disavow our president and refuse to support legislation that reflects anything remotely connected to the public interest. We're losers, and many of us are tired of being losers, tired of being a party of defeatists, tired of being afraid to stand for anything or fight for anything.
So we're ready to settle this right now. We know we could nominate Bernie Sanders and lose the presidency, in which case we would be banished for life, never to see another progressive candidate run as a Democrat. Yes, it's risky, but we're not particularly vulnerable this time. The Republicans have no strong candidate. In fact, they might not even be able to make a decent fight of it. We could win no matter who we nominate. So let's have this fight right now and do the best with the result, no matter which way it goes.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Instead, the wheels have come off. The tow truck is on the way with spares, but I think it will run out before too long.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)If he wins the nomination it will be one of the biggest upsets in political history, especially considering the Super Delegate situation.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)he'll never get any traction and it will all be over by NH. That was the message to us when Bernie announced.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)any scenario where the party would try to hand the nomination to Clinton based on the super delegate support if Sanders had a slight lead in normal delegates after all of the primaries and caucuses.
The ensuing revolt would destroy the party.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Bernie doesn't give a fuck about the drapes.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Bernie's got other fish to fry.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts). . . but Hillary has been actively running for President for at least the past dozen years, she has instant access to hundreds of millions of dollars via PACS, she garnered endorsements from almost every elected Democrat sitting in Congress today, then DWS agreed to limit the debates to 6, while Hillary refused to discuss her positions on TPP, the Keystone Pipeline, or on several other large international issues, and then, and only after she heard what Bernie and O'Malley were saying about those issues, did she change her tune on those issues.
No, her approach won't work.
It never will.
People don't like her policies, or her habit of taking each and every conceivable position on the issues that are affecting our lives on a daily basis.
This election is not about Hillary or about Bernie being good candidates.
This election is about taking the Democratic party back to its fundamental principles, back to its base.
It's about us . . . the ones who make up the fucking party . . not about the candidates themselves.