2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSouth Carolina
This is not a "firewall". Sanders will do better than expected.
Behind in Iowa...lost by .2 delegates...statistical dead heat.
Behind in New Hampshire, last polling had him up only 10 pts, he over-performed by double that and won every demographic.
Nevada...time will tell
South Carolina...time will tell.
Polling has not had the ability to put our movement in a box. Pundits are broke. We are the change we want.
Not me, US.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)angrychair
(8,702 posts)We can do this!
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)No reason to suspect they're right about South Carolina.
Anyway, as long as the campaign is funded it can go on until the convention.
Tonight I read that the donations overloaded the ActBlue system website. Go figure.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Like the Washington insiders they really need to break out of the bubble.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I hadn't thought about it that way, but it makes sense. I thought they talk shit because they are so full of shit, feces falls out when they open their mouths.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)Amazing the way this is all playing out. I think his first quarter donations will be shocking. We can do this!!
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)the POC vote percentage they are going to receive.
She is relying heavily on name recognition
Bernie is saying aloud like I have never heard from a prominent American politician... most of us our being screwed by the Elite .. the system is rigged .. the elections are rigged.. i think POC understand the struggle Bernie is voicing as well if not better than most IMO
The only thing Bernie needs is exposure.
When people hear him, they believe him.
He's working for an America that is for all Americans.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)I think the next 24 hours will see a lot of movement. I think the Ben Jealous and Harry Belafonte endorsements will change the calculation a little as well as this meeting tomorrow with Al Sharpton
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-al-sharpton-meeting/
This may make the next couple of weeks interesting.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)He has outperformed expectations in every state thus far and it would be silly to think that's going to stop all of a sudden. There hasn't been a poll out of Nevada since December and he's supposedly getting a lot of Union support in the state.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)"Every state thus far" is TWO states - and a win in NH was always expected. We were told he would "outperform expectations" in Iowa - but he didn't.
"it would be silly to think that's going to stop all of a sudden."
It would be silly to think that the demographics of NH are the same as the demographics of, say, South Carolina.
As for Bernie's "union support" in Nevada, I don't think his campaigners posing as union members there has endeared him to many real union members.
But hey, congratulations on that totally expected NH win - and congrats in advance on his winning Vermont - another foregone conclusion.
As for the other primary states where HRC has a commanding lead, I wouldn't count on that lead disappearing anytime soon.
Fumesucker
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NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... by quoting me from an exchange about HRC's electability and passing it off as something I'd said about your loss of a loved one due to inadequate healthcare.
I wouldn't push it, if I were you.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Most of the polls had Clinton up 3-11 points. Had Iowa been a primary...she likely WOULD have lost the popular vote. We need to see some polling in Nevada and South Carolina post-Iowa/NH. Based on how her campaign sounds, Nevada sounds like it's tighter than the old polls suggest. So yes, Sanders is likely to continue to outperform polling which is horrible at detecting voter enthusiasm and turnout.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... Iowa was gong to prove, once and for all, that BS supporters had been under-estimated by the polls. He was going to win by a huge margin. It didn't happen.
The polls predicted a tight race in Iowa - and they were right.
HRC has a commanding lead in states like SC. Do you honestly believe that lead is going to disappear overnight?
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)So no, it was not always expected.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... were looking at polls more recent than last May.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I can't even remember offhand the last time South Carolina was polled.
We can't even look at recent polls for the next states, because there are none. The most recent polls in currently relevant states were from a bit more than a month before Iowa. That's an eternity in primary season; those polls may as well have been from last May at this point.
Most of the Super Tuesday states have a similar lack of current polling.
However, I can infer from Hillary's body language that any internal polling data she has is substantially less encouraging than those pre-Iowa public polls.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... what you infer from Hillary's "body language" is far more reliable than any polls.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)But the polling for the next two states in the primary is literally from last year.
In December 2007 wasn't Hillary leading Obama something like twenty points?
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)So why don't we wait and see how the voters' choices have changed since "literally last year" - which was a whole six weeks ago?
What happened in 2007-08 has no relevance. HRC isn't running against Obama this time - and believe me, Bernie is no Obama.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)Bernie shot his wad. Now it is Hilbot time!!! However, thanks to Bernie and exciting the progressive base the Democrats will take back the Senate and pick up seats in the house. Thanks Bernie!!!! America will owe you!!! How about Treasury Secretary for your friend Elizabeth?