2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan't wait for the New and Improved Hillary
she is going to have to do more than change her clothes and hair.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)will become more than a rumor over the next few days.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)them through March. There's going to be a staff shakeup, and her message will change. You'll notice the Third Way message that we should fear tax increases was abandoned for the far more populist message she gave tonight - a regular page out of Bernie's book!
The re-tooling should prove entertaining. But, who knows? Maybe the onion skin has been peeled off down to the core and we'll actually see the REAL Clinton.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I think "the real Hillary" is simply "the Hillary that really, really wants to be President," and will take on any persona (temporarily) to achieve that goal.
senz
(11,945 posts)Donkees
(31,418 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie's fuzzy math does not add up. WE have to do more. We have to get fired up!
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He has clearly laid out the financing for each element of his platform.
Assuming you are actually interested, you can read it here:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Are you talking about vote counts, delegate counts, superdelegate counts, electoral votes, etc??? (and if so, what does "fuzzy" mean?)
Or the financing of his policies such as free public college tuition?
Your second statement ("WE have to do more. We have to get fired up!" makes me think you meant vote counts, delegate counts, etc. But someone below thinks you meant that the math of financing his policy proposals "does not add up."
Could you clarify, please?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)His campaign promises are impossible to keep using any logic. Scholars have gone over and over health care reform. It is not as easy as he makes it seem. A magic wand won't fix congress or the supreme court.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Do what? I really don't understand your comment.
Should we get fired up and do more to work out the math? Say, double the small tax he proposes on Wall Street speculations, to pay for free tuition at public colleges, and maybe triple it for books, food, housing? Or, find out why universal health care works so well in Norway, France, England, Canada and other developed countries, and work to amend Bernie's proposals, if necessary, so they DO work as smoothly and as cheaply as in these other countries?
I don't think this is what you want--for Bernie's proposals to work. And if I'm right--you don't--then why did you say, "WE need to do more. We need to get fired up"?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)don't expect a whole lot of policy changes, though.
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SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Tell me how flashing gang signs gets black votes please.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They embolden each other.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I thought I had accidentally landed in freeper-land.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)On Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:30 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I read that she will become Hillary Luther King
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1189797
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Racist remark. Gang signs to get the black vote?!
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)with all this anger at black voters on display. If you hate it, alert. It matters even if the original jury gave it a pass. This Rovian race baiting should not go unremarked upon. Even if I get alerted on -again- for pointing it out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1188808
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)WTFingF? Do they even hear themselves?
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Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)With her new ''Fresh maker'' ''Change maker'' commercial
As we notice in her concession speech she is
''the change maker''. We saw that in the last week from Bill
Oh and don't forget the freshmaker commercial came out in 1992 ..... which was ridiculed by everyone
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)She is merely changing her campaign blather.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)She was promising universal healthcare and debt-free college. Yesterday, she was pledging to crack down on Wall St and pursue tough campaign finance reform. Where did that come from ?
The pragmatic incrementalism is on its way out. Sounding a lot like Sanders is on its way in.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I'm sure the attempt will be yooge, I expect it to cost her votes if she goes with the fringe hair.