2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie raised 2.5 million dollars last night. Do you understand what
a huge political earthquake this is? Oh, and he would have raised more but we, his donors, broke the internet.
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Bernie Sanders took a few moments in his victory speech Tuesday night to make a small request of his supporters: Please help us raise the funds we need, whether its 10 bucks, 20 bucks, or 50 bucks, he said.
The response was so overwhelming that his website buckled under the traffic. Between the close of the polls and 12:30 a.m., his campaign brought in $2.6 million.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanderss-fundraising-prowess-boosts-his-post-new-hampshire-efforts/2016/02/10/d935d504-cf42-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html
daleanime
(17,796 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)You are a part of that change....
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I feel that a candidate represents me. An old, bi, atheist!! Oh praise the unicorn.
longship
(40,416 posts)Except for bean counters to total it all.
kracer20
(199 posts)I imagine a gigantic mattress with loads of cash sticking out.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)about credit unions?
kracer20
(199 posts)And I'd bet he is walking the walk on this too.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)But I've found that there are good, honest, decent in human terms, banks out there. Like most things, if used and managed progressively, banks are a very beneficial part of a community. Anyway, now I generally hate banks.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)In fact he wants more. It's the big banks he doesn't like, because they have too much power over our economy. Break 'em up, and you have more banks.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Capisce?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Me either.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)Go, Bernie!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Do we fully realize how psychotic the American id is right now? With Trump on the right, and Bernie on the left, what does it say about us? Aside from any other divide ... I can't wait to read reasoned analysis of this phenomenon in this election.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Please tell me you're not doing that.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Guess I should have gone to my DSM-IV. I "mis-diagnosed" the American electorate. Should have said dissociative identity disorder:
Dissociative identity disorder (DID), previously known as multiple personality disorder (MPD),[1] is a mental disorder on the dissociative spectrum characterized by the appearance of at least two distinct and relatively enduring identities or dissociated personality states that alternately control a person's behavior, accompanied by memory impairment for important information not explained by ordinary forgetfulness. These symptoms are not accounted for by substance abuse, seizures, other medical conditions, nor by imaginative play in children.[2] Diagnosis is often difficult as there is considerable comorbidity with other mental disorders. Malingering should be considered if there is possible financial or forensic gain, as well as factitious disorder if help-seeking behavior is prominent.[2][3][4][5]
cali
(114,904 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Not a big deal.
It could certainly be perceived as an insult though since I'm not understanding your point in equating psychosis with Trump AND Sanders. Trump, sure. Sanders, no.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Now, you see? You've explained Tweetie and the Toad to me in one sentence. Thanks.
As for DID, I am very familiar with it and it is no joke when it involves beliefs that hurt or handicap the people around the afflicted.
Me? I'll stick with PTSD. Except for occasional crying jags its not too bad.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Thanks!
And I'm not making light of DID, PTSD, or any other diagnosis. I truly believe (and wait for it - we'll be reading about this) there is something deep and profound going on in the id/superego of the American electorate at this time.
Who can deny that Trump's campaign is based around tapping into our primitive brain's fears? Can it not be observed with all solemnity that Bernie is asking us to follow the "better angels of our nature" themselves, in his platform of education and health care for all?
There is something visceral going on in the electorate. A deep divide, with fear, hatred, and exclusion on one side, and idealism, generosity, charity, and love for our fellow humans and the earth on the other? It's a divide of epic proportions.
Both are calling us like the Sirens in Ulysses journey. Who will we listen to and follow?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)You are one of the best, peacebird.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)First off, Cilla, your response epitomizes the stretched elastic of the out of control helix that is individualism. Looking at people as autonomous entities is part of your dis-ease.
It was suggested in contemporaneous political theory -Hegel, Paine, Rousseau, Mills - all rich white European dudes - that the United States, with it's history of settlement, that the lack of a co-operative element that made socialism (NOT communism) a foregone in Europe and your friendly neighbours to the north would be beyond your grasp.
I think maybe the inherited consciousness of your land is catching up with the false narrative of the colonial conquistadors. Add to that the suppressed but underlying paradigm of the Quakers and Protestants who were not merely running from heavy handed domination. They brought with them a quest to live in peace and harmony outside of oligarchy but within a strong spiritual sense of 'brotherliness' (a whole other topic).
The elastic band is about to snap. The helix is going to create itself again in the snap back, and the frayed strings that no longer have relevance to the millions will become space junk.
Sorry for the many edits - my keyboard and eyes do not cooperate sometimes.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)although, I would argue that certainly cooperation would have been an evolutionary asset in the settlement of America, from the colonies in New England to western settlement. Indeed, with more open spaces here, I suppose less interaction and therefore less cooperation was called for than in the more closely knit communities in Europe at the same time, and this could in part account for the difference. As a nation of immigrants, certainly we were escaping societal or government domination. This undoubtedly would also be a factor.
Certainly the settlement of the west in America, referred to as "rugged individualism", must have existed in some measure, though I would expect, failing more than succeeding. I think it is part of our mythology. Why Canada, though? Does its descendence from England and France alone, explain why socialism is more accepted there? Otherwise, wouldn't your pattern of settlement more closely resembled our own? So, why the difference?
I get your drift though, and I find it very brain-stimulating! I forget much of the political philosophy I was taught as an undergrad, alas. Some day should look back at it.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)those guys who fled to Canada and eventually returned to burn down the White House? We got those. Good little corporate bees. But, I was referring to an older tradition in the continent - the native peoples. I think in some Jungian sense that its all catching up to us. 'That' inherited memory. Idle no More. btw, having French mic maq metis versus English subdue and kill them all blood gives me a different perspective to the current mainstream.
Edit - ya, it is all interesting. I am so excited to see it all happening in our lifetime! Thanks for your reply. I also need to dust off that part of my brain.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)A bitch!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)yourself.
Like many other countries, America is going through a deep cultural and political divide at present. -- That hardly makes it 'psychotic'.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)It's because the Republican ideas that have been embraced since Reagan DON'T WORK.... and they still insist they do. Even Hillary wants boots on the ground (preemptive strike mentality) and $15 is too much of a minimum wage (trickle down with a smidgen of "we're broke!" .
Even in their Third Way watered down versions, these GOP ideas simply don't work for the average American, and haven't for 30 years now.
jen63
(813 posts)the DSM V, and have been for a few years now. Maybe that bubble is too hard to get out of. Join us in the real world, the weather is great. Your post on the other hand is offensive tripe.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)away the phenomenon that is Bernie Sanders.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)paranoia. Sometimes this place is no fun at all.
My point - quite an obvious one I would think, and I'm sure will be discussed and shared by many political observers, as well as psychiatric professionals, is that the two front-runners in this election at present represent diametrically opposed worldviews. Extremely, sharply, opposed positions on everything, including core issues of trust, values, human nature. More than that, they represent the id, on one hand (I'll let you guess who), and the superego on the other. I look forward to a deep analysis of this, in terms of where the American electorate is right now and how we got here.
Do I need to establish my cred here to avoid being presumed to be something I'm not? I'm sure I can find Berners and others elsewhere who would be more fun to discuss this with.
Sorry...the responses just hit me wrong. The suspicion of an alterior motive - the accusatory tone even if I were a Hillary supporter. I think it's nice to begin interactions giving all sides the benefit of the doubt.
flame on
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The parties were relatively close in political ideology over the last 60-ish years. Largely due to the southern realignment working itself out.
That is an abnormal pattern in our history. It has been far more common for our parties to be massively opposed to each other. A senator was literally beaten with a cane by an opposing congressman on the Senate floor. There have been multiple duels fought by Congressmen. We changed our presidential tickets to include VPs because "second place is VP" did not work due to political acrimony.
We are not entering an abnormal period. We are returning to normal after an abnormal period.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)I think we are in unprecedented times for our country. A Democratic Socialist Jewish 74-year old, and a megalomaniacal fascist self-funded celebrity who uses the words pussy and fuck on the campaign trail are the Presidential frontrunners right now.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Things happened before you became politically aware.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)We've had a blah blah blah in our Prez campaign before? Please educate me.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)and the uncivil behavior of the candidates.
What do you not understand about Congressmen attempting to beat a Senator to death on the Senate floor to realize we have had enormous distance, and really damn uncivil behavior before?
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)It is based on 2 enormously anomolous front-running national, Presidential candidates, and the zeitgeist of the American electorate at this particular point in time in supporting one, or the other with such vehemence.
A personal, albeit vile physical attack by one congressperson against another, is a complely different thesis.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Throughout our history, there have been very extreme candidates, with very extreme views. They even won office.
Our country has spent more time with a similar "zeitgeist" than with the one you grew up with. This one we are leaving was the anomaly. We are returning to the historical norm of our country.
The current state of affairs is not new. We have not entered a new age. We have returned to our normal state.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)than Trump and Sanders. What core issues and values did they share so tightly?
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)megalomaniac on the other.
That enough meat on the bones?
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)agree with your point of view is suffering from Psychosis. It must get lonely siting up there on your pedestal.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)SusanLarson
(284 posts)That the media has done the job their corporate masters wanted them to do which is to divide the country into as small of chunks as possible to enable them to play one side against the other. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Tea Party, Sovereign Citizens, Conservative, Liberal, Race, Sex, Religion, Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, Pro life, Pro Abortion, etc. It's all about using us vs them to dilute the power of the electorate.
However this time it is not working as Bernie Sanders campaign is crushing those artificial divisions by drawing people from all of those little boxes to vote for him.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)As Clinton supporters laugh and turn their noses up when they hear about conservatives who like Sanders, they don't seem to see, this is the crack in the "us vs them" zeitgeist and congressional constipation.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)The Oligarchs have simple pushed us too far and stopped trying to hide their corruption. History shows this always happens. Bernie supporters have simply had enough of the rules being written to favor the wealthy/corporations at the expense of the rest of Americans. We are trying to return to Representative Democracy and eliminate the ability of the Plutocrats/Oligarchs to buy our politicians and control our government.
Maybe you should spend more time in self-analysis to understand why you equate our fight to some psychosis or other mental disorder?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...I gladly admit to being insane.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)are changing their undies frequently
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)If he got $2.6 million in that short time can you imagine what the total for 24 hours will be? Think of all the people who were unable to get through last night. They won't blow it off this morning.
This is outstanding. http://matadornetwork.com/tv/bernie-sanders-campaign-just-released-video-will-give-goosebumps/
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Because I wanted to tie the amount I donated to how much he won by, so I waited until we had 95% of the vote in. (Still don't have it all, last I heard.)
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)shooting for 7 now.
To have been one of those donors.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Glad to see the oil spill has not been forgotten. The general public has been told that BP took care of it. Hardly!
G_j
(40,367 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)
No, I haven't forgotten either!
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)from Wall Street bankers.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Sienna86
(2,149 posts)Just wondering.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Oldie, but goldie
There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.
"See, see, I'm just like Bernie!"
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)you can not measure a revolution
Avalux
(35,015 posts)mac2766
(658 posts)I donated to a candidate for the first time a few weeks ago. I also bought a couple of magnetic bumper stickers.
I set up a weekly donation of $8.00 this morning. Not much, I know, but 1. I'm not a wealthy man, and 2. Bernie, as stated earlier, is the only candidate that I have, or have ever wanted to, lend a donation to.
Go Bernie!!!
cali
(114,904 posts)a weekly donation too.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I want the campaign to know that my donation is guaranteed and they can count on it!
padfun
(1,786 posts)Don't think of it as small. It is just right especially if most of Bernie's supporters can do that.
Every little bit counts in a revolution.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....just as grateful as he would be with a thousand bucks.
He's that kind of guy. He understands personal sacrifice in the interest of a goal.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)And I'm pretty sure a lot of them were more than 50 bucks. I just love the way he says that...so Brooklyn.
UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)No waiting, no Wall Street, no problem!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)People responded to his request.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Actually, it was a risk. What if his supporters hadn't come through? COuld you imagine the headlines?
But then again, the whole thing is a risk. That's why I'm so happy there are Secret Service agents on the campaign now.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)is required at all. I understand, but wish it weren't so. These days, there are always threats, regardless of one's positions. It's a sad commentary on our electoral process, I think, and on the nature of our society, too.
That makes me very sad.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Bernie was being interviewed. Don't remember which lackey it was.
They asked him about security for his campaign. He said "I don't think it's appropriate to discuss that."
Perfect answer, and a lot nicer than "None of yer fuckin' business".
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Ordered a nice car magnet day before the NH primary and a lil somethin-somethin for MoveOn Bernie.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That victory speech exposed the entire country to him and his platform. It may have been longer than the poor little talking heads liked, but giving that speech last night was brilliant, IMCPO.
$2.6 million in a few hours? Whew! This is big.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)...that's only 2 times Hillary's hourly rate!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)global1
(25,252 posts)He's in the pocket of the Bankster's.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Now I know why.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I donated 100 bucks, but the Act Blue screen kept cycling, "processing." I waited for 15 minutes, looked at my email for a confirmation but found none. So I signed back on and gave another 100 and the same thing happened with Act Blue.
I found out later that both of my donations went through which will just make me feel the Bern all the more.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Props for the generous donations.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)They ran out a couple of weeks ago. I have Bernie 2016 stickers on both cars, but I want these!
Duval
(4,280 posts)Since my husband has to work in a Republican town on Tuesdays, I'm putting all 4 on my car. I was so glad to finally get them.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)willing to donate is going to continue to grow and grow. Don't forget it wasn't that long ago that MSM was giving T-Rump 80 mins vs every 1 min Bernie got. The power that is given to an individual who BELIEVES their $10 donation can make a difference is enormous - as is the realization that there are MILLIONS of other Americans who feel exactly the same way.
Reminds me a bit of Bobby Kennedy and the force of nature his campaign became ....
malthaussen
(17,202 posts)Mr Sanders, however, can continue to bleed his followers for loose change indefinitely. This may have consequences down the road, insofar as there is a correlation between money spent and votes garnered.
-- Mal
arcane1
(38,613 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)Welcome to the Second American Revolution!
Omaha Steve
(99,658 posts)That equals 96,292 donations!
Donate to DU for Bernie at Act Blue here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie
NCjack
(10,279 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Sure sounds YUGE.
I would like to ban all private campaign contributions, but that number seems to equate to a helluva lot of voters getting onboard. That sounds great to me.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)Go Bernie!
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)righteous.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Is it a record? I bet it is!
Moostache
(9,895 posts)We could be just three weeks away from moving from the inevitability of Hillary to the mathematical certainty of Bernie...I have to admit, when I first saw Bernie's early stump speeches I thought "{there is not ONE thing in that man's speech that I disagree with, not one...}". That was jarring for me. I had become accustomed to the idea of settling for a candidate that had more in common with my views than opposing views.
I never thought Bernie would get this far.
I really also believed that Hillary would have incorporated the lessons of 2008 into her 2016 run and would be a much better candidate than she was previously, instead it looks like a replay all over.
Bernie is going to get regular small donations from me for the duration of his campaign. I will forgo a night out or a pizza dinner if it can help fund a meaningful, responsive and progressive candidacy.
I do not hate Hillary (or Bill for that matter), I am just stunned at their stubborn refusal to learn from past mistakes and transgressions and to continue the strategy of hunkering down, closing ranks and deflecting instead of transforming. I fear that if she resorts to the same tactics as '08 this time around, she will effectively splinter the party in pursuit of personal glory.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Bernie cannot be stopped. Only the people can stop themselves. Well, count me the fuck out of that! It's Bernie or BUST for me!!
Duval
(4,280 posts)We waited to donate this morning.
Keep 'em coming on!!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I made mine with my phone. I got a text saying Bernie won and can I help... so what was I gonna do?
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Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)It's Commendable That Bernie Sanders Doesn't Have Nor Want A Super PAC, It's Commendable That Bernie Sanders Will Not Take Corporate Donations Or Donations From The Wealthy...It's Commendable But Is It Practical?
IF Bernie Sanders Becomes The Democratic Nominee I Don't Understand How He Intends To Run A National Campaign With A 50 State Strategy Against Most Likely A Billionaire With Unlimited Campaign Funds?
Seriously How Does He Run A National Campaign Depending On Contributions From Individuals That Average $27?
I Have A Great Deal Of Respect & Admiration For Bernie Sanders, But Practically Speaking How The Hell Will He Compete Financially Against Donald Trump & The Hundreds If Not Thousands Of Millionaires Who Will Be Creating Super PACs To Run Negative Ads Against Him?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)BTW The First Letter Of Every Word Is Capitalized Not Every Word! Besides Why The Hell Does It Make A Difference To You?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
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