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by Caitlin Dickson Oct 4, 2012 12:50 AM EDT
Romneys figure for the rise in health-care costs was wrong. Obamas $4 trillion number was inaccurate. The Daily Beast turns to the Internet's most reliable fact-checkers for the candidates most glaring errors.
Romney: Health-care costs have gone up by $2,500 a family.
Factcheck.org, the Annenberg Public Policy Centers accuracy policy, say this is false. They cite a Kaiser Family Foundation survey (PDF) that found that between 2010 and 2011, the average health-insurance premium cost for families increased by $1,300, not $2,500, and point out that even between 2009 and 2011 the increase in average cost was only $1,700.
Obama: I put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan. Its on a website. You can look at all the numbers. What cuts we make and what revenue we raise.
Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler argues that this statement isnt exactly true. First of all, $1 trillion of the $4 trillion the president says his budget plan will cut from the deficit was already reached a year ago, so thats $1 trillion thats already cut regardless of who wins the election. Kessler also points out that Obamas $4 trillion figure includes $848 billion saved by ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistanmoney that, since ending the wars have been in the works for a while, the administration had never intended to spend in the first place. Imagine someone borrowing $50,000 a year for collegeand then declaring that they have an extra $500,000 to spend over the next decade once they graduate, is how Kessler explains it.
Romney: Im not going to cut education funding. I dont have a plan to cut education funding.
Trip Gabriel at The New York Times notes that, contrary to this statement, Mitt Romney has suggested in the past that he would, in fact, cut the education budget. Back in the spring, reporters heard Romney tell a group of Florida donors that, as president, he would merge another federal agency with the Education Department, or perhaps make it a heck of a lot smaller. While the Romney-approved House budget does not specify how cuts would affect particular federal programs, the White Houses own study (PDF) on the budget finds that it drops 200,000 children from Head Start as well as other early education programs, and gets rid of 38,000 teachers and aides at underprivileged schools as well as 27,000 special-education teachers.
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Blue Yorker
(436 posts)Don't you know that's what matters?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Because what you say can be looked at either way:
1. It DOES matter that Romney was a confident liar and that Obama had poor body language
2. But facts can also matter too if they can be used against him and come back to haunt him later
alc
(1,151 posts)The debate is the only place to get some insight into how the candidates may function in a meeting with say Putin or Boehner or Reid. Do they have enough command of the issues to call out the lies? Or will they wait for aids to correct things after the meeting?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)At a certain point, people get tired of ads.
They want to see the candidates in person on t.v. debating each other.
They can see ads anytime.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Yes, Obama is counting that savings. But the 'fact checker' fails to note that Rmoney would in fact double down on those wars, never ending those costs, and has spoken of the need to further expand into Syria and Iran.