2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Jew baiting campaign has begun.....
Clinton to Attack Sanders on Israel Record After New Hampshire
For the Clinton campaign, New Hampshire made clear that it is time to increase pressure on the Vermont socialist including a harsher message to Jewish American voters
The blaring music and the enthusiastic crowd gathered to hear Hillary Clinton at Southern New Hampshire University Tuesday night could easily have given the impression this was a victory celebration, not a gathering marking a crushing 21% defeat.
But when Clinton, flanked on stage by her husband and daughter, ended her pep talk, it was clear to all that the team is heading straight back to work in order to figure out how to overcome the ever growing threat posed by Bernie Sanders.
Tuesday night will go down in history as the first time a Jew won a presidential primary.
Hillary Clinton has been a very strong friend of Israel and that is something that should not be lost on the American Jewish community, said Paul Hodes, a former New Hampshire congressman who came to rally for Clinton at her post-primary event. Hodes, who is Jewish and from New Hampshire, told the Forward: Senator Sanders hasnt showed himself to be the kind of friend of Israel that Secretary Clinton is.
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.702540
well, that did not take long, and a more offensive spectacle, i cannot recall. unless we count the race baiting of 08.
maybe its better this way...it will hasten her merciful exit from this process
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)If they burn their bridges with Sanders then maybe a Sanders presidency will be more honest about the middle east.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I just posted this re a recent post in Hillary Group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280115290
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Jackass nickname? Mine is in my sig line. LOL.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)I didn't know it was a special group and was surprised
that I got dumped. Now I am careful where I post ...
I am pleased to be in this group. You will be kicked out
99th_Monkey. LOL
hey, their o.k. .... maybe a little sore!
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)for me because my post there was neutral and bingo-bango I was out.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and I didn't know I was in the "hillary" group until I got the banned noticed. basically I was responding to something totally factually absurd. ie did I stumble onto free republican by accident absurd . Like yes I know not to post on a Pro Atheist board. I'm Christian, it's the LOUD Atheists I can't stand. Like putting a bunch or Right wing Jews in the same room as Left Wing Jews. Things will get messy. and Hillary supporting a crazy Right Wing idiot like Bibi? who basically had several people in the Senate and house to commit treason , not really smart on Hillary's part but oh well
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)500 ??
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and might cause trouble, but 499? I think that once they got started banning they just couldn't stop. And that really doesn't bother me one bit. In fact more power to them. This is a politically liberal message board and they have the right to be as exclusive as they want. What I do have a problem with is when they venture out into reality and start acting like they want to turn all of DU into something like their cadre. Alerting, locking, hiding, banning, and grave dancing to try to change this from a politically liberal message board into a politically conservative message board.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Now I feel left out x_x
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)and I also didn't know I was posting to the Hillary Group.
I responded to a absurd post on the Greatest Page, and ......that was it.
I don't believe it is fair to have "protected groups" on the Greatest Page.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)plus they don't realize people are sorta sick of Jerusalem's shenanigans, impunity, and hand-biting by now
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Senator Bernie Sanders hasn't shown the resolve and courage to press his face firmly up the backside of Israel's right-wing, apartheid practicing, land-theft enabling, Palestinian murdering bigot politicians in the same way that Hillarity Ridham Clintoon is prepared to in order to shill for AIPAC dollars.
I guess that he's really not a good enough Jew if he doesn't do that.
The last thing we need is a US policy that continues Israels illegal colony franchise while we look the orher way as Netanyahu finishes his pogroms against the Palestinian people.
It just might take a Jewish POTUS to tell Israel to pound sand.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)trying to make Jews xenophobic about themselves?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation_of_the_Diaspora
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)coming! You don't and can't hurt his campaign, no matter what you throw at him...but you certainly are funding him, really, really well!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)I remember that day clearly.
My face was like WTF? lol
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)before opening her mouth-she might have found out the 'shocking' (for her apparently) truth American Jews vote in America's interests
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Is that all they know? Attack attack attack? And Sanders just keeps on the message.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
frylock
(34,825 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)before she makes an ass out of herself.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Maybe she hasn't heard.
starroute
(12,977 posts)It's true that much of his family was wiped out in the Holocaust, but that was long after he'd left.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Oh this is a terrible move Hillary, attacking Bernie for being a bad Jew isn't going to work.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)you can count on Hillary to show her bad judgment and ALWAYS make the wrong one.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)klook
(12,157 posts)Bill was our first Black Jewish president.
jillan
(39,451 posts)That's okay - the more the merrier.
This is sleazy politics at its finest.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)probably good that it is in bernie group and gdp..the more exposure her slimy tactics get, the better!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How low will she go?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Saw the same thing about POC issues here not long ago. And sexism....No discourse allowed!
Kind of authoritarian, no?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)they are planning an attack, and a nasty and unfactual one at that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Like it or not, Israel is another part of the foreign policy debate that Sanders will have to face.
The conversation should be had without this pre-emptive race war bullshit.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if you have an issue with the tone of the campaign, you might want to email the clinton campaign.....
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)gas on the fire.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Jew-baiting
Definitions
noun
active persecution or harassment of Jews
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And it would be harassing him to do so? I am seriously asking here. These are the same issues that come around every four years.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but sending her surrogates out to say statements like this
"Bernie is a secular Jew and I dont think his religion influenced his stance on Israel, said Hodes
is vile and obvious personal attack on his purported religious point of view (which they have no right to define for him) and an assumption that whatever his religious feelings are, that they should automatically affect his middle east policy in the way that they see fit.
what if we started saying stuff like "well as a supposed christian, it is clear that hillarys religion does not prevent her from having a hawkish war stance that will cost lives, and a philosophy of catering to the one percent rather than the poor, favoring lower wages, or being in favor of the death penalty."
do we really want to go down that road?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and how it informs their decisions. They asked both of them at the last debate, and had to ask Bernie twice before he answered. (and they both answered pretty well and I wish that was the end of it, frankly) I wish it weren't so, but it is what it is.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and for any campaign or the msm to politicize it is a road to the bottom.
hoping it goes no further, but msm will undoubtedly pick the scab.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)I'd pay good money to hear one answer, looking straight at the camera, "My faith or beliefs or lack of them is my personal business. No one else. If my public record and personal behavior isn't enough for you to judge my abilities, then don't vote for me. By the way, the Constitution forbids a religious test for office or public trust."
Don't care what party, I would consider voting for that person.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)right, I have to wonder how long it will take.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and the first admitted atheist is going to have run an ugly gauntlet and likely lose big time. Afterward voters might regret it, and that candidate seen as a better person after all compared to some church goers. I hope I live to see that day!
Same as Hillary went through and now Bernie, being the first is not going to be an easy thing. But it is a standard part of the process in our cultural evolution- toward the acceptance of others. Anyone who is not the same old white protestant dude will take the heat. The RW nominee will be scrutinized as well. I think it is how you handle the scrutiny that matters most.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)because of his religion or clinton because of her religion or gender is probably already a gop supporter.not sayin dems aren't spiritual, but i think they are better able to separate it from policy issues.
hopefully any such issues will have minimal impact, at least for dems.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It depresses me that a mania for *presenting yourself as* religious has swept our country, but it has.
I speak out against it often, but have no hope this will change soon for atheists. I have regretted being honest about my atheism in the workplace, and I am in the most diverse city in America. So, I get that it sucks.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but i believe that most people for whom this is a serious issue are probably already quite conservative and are unlikely to vote dem in a ge. crossover types are hopefully not as likely to make religion a priority.
and agree, it does suck. sorry for your workplace troubles. many are sadly so intolerant and bigoted. i am gonna guess that the people at work are proselytizing christians, but that probably starts a whole nuther conversation....
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)matters, but once in a while I get a shock realizing it does. I worked a very ugly campaign once, not realizing that in that day in a mostly modern city, a Jew would have a tough time. There had been an Italian/ Catholic power base for a long time, and it wasn't only the older people who spit out disgusting things at public meetings.
The (future) mayor himself pretended very loudly that someone called him a "dirty w*p" at a public meeting. It didn't happen, but made the papers. Words matter to me. We should all chose them wisely. (This was about five seconds after his campaign manager actually called someone a "k*ke"- which was not reported)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to see this kind of crap very rare/nonexistant.
i have acquaintances who are ultra christian. i am most certainly not going to get into anything with them, even though they like discussing religion. i do not need or want to be "saved" according to their parameters. they would never accept my pov (dharmic/earth spirituality hybrid) and i don't have the energy to engage them.
i guess the conventional wisdom is right about not dicsussing politics or religion, and yet here we are on du lol
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a paid position with him. Could not get him to stop following me. I declined. Last thing he said to me was- "It would be a pity if your building went up in flames". This was a very corrupt town, the kind where people were proud to hint they "were connected". I was frightened, but did not quit.
A friend who worked one poll actually saw a councilman hand over the traditional "bag of names" - they kept hundreds of voters on the rolls who had died or moved out of town. There was lots of construction, so they would accrue more every time a buildings occupants left. That election the FBI filmed people voting three times each using those names, and nothing ever came of it. Connected.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)good on you for not backing down!
hard to believe its 2016......
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)(including the one I described above) and we finally have an honest mayor after twenty years of heavy corruption. She spoke out against our governor, but I don't think she can handle running again after all she has been through. Too much money to be made around here. We are probably back to electing more future felons.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the FBI thing went no where. a dear old friend took very clear videos of the same huge group being ferried from poll to poll. but nothing happened.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)She lit it but by commenting on her action its someone elses fault?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)talk decently. It has nothing to do with what you say. It has everything to do with long experience with her shit.
jillan
(39,451 posts)one occasion! As it should be.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I think there is a ton or irony around that, considering their respective positions.
jillan
(39,451 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)In a message tailored specifically to Jewish voters, Hodes, who has been working closely with the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire, zoomed in on Sanders apparent lack of interest in Israel as a factor that should cause voters from the community to re-think their support for the Jewish American who has just climbed higher than most others in Democratic politics.
Bernie is a secular Jew and I dont think his religion influenced his stance on Israel, said Hodes. We know Hillary and we know she has an unshakeable bond with Israel, so this shouldnt pose a great dilemma for Jewish voters.
Of course, it remains to be seen if a scorched-earth stratagy will succeed in denting Sanders popularity.
A Sienna Research poll of New York voters published Monday found that 41% of Jews in the state plan to vote for Clinton in the primaries, while only 33% of Jewish New Yorkers said they would give their vote to Sanders, who grew up in a Brooklyn Jewish family.
At the same time, New York Jews expressed a more favorable opinion of Sanders than they did when asked about Clinton.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I know his supporters would love to arrange another "get out of foreign policy discussion" card for him.
But it just ain't going to happen. I happen to agree with Bernie, but I also know that is not the most popular opinion in many areas. It is what it is.
Hillary has been criticized to no end for the influence of her spirituality and connections to religious groups. It works with some voters, and alienates others. Bernie will face the other side of those criticisms, for his secularism. I'm not looking forward to either, but it is to be expected.
cali
(114,904 posts)Hillary Clinton is about to call Bernie Sanders a fake Jew
http://americablog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-fake-jew.html
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)does not mean they do not. Unfortunately, many do. Sanders campaign is groundbreaking and inspiring partially because he is not pandering to the church goers. I think it is awesome, but also recognize it is actually a radical thing in a presidential race. Gotta accept the good with the bad to achieve change.
greymouse
(872 posts)Any indication that Israel may be at fault in any way for anything exposes the speaker as an anti-semite.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This is 100% expected from them, unfortunately.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)bad Jew for the Jewish market.
jham123
(278 posts)Holy smokes, she just won't quit attacking people.
Young Girls go to rallies to find Boyfriends and are going to Hell
Black votes are "Owned" by Clinton
Now Jews aren't as Jewish as Clinton....
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Just as you clearly didn't bother to even read the excerpt provided in the OP.
jham123
(278 posts)It doesn't look well on you, however....
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)provide it. Go on. Name calling does not suffice for substantive political discussion.
jham123
(278 posts)Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Your words, your mouth, and still no evidence.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I might not be a lexicographer but I don't believe you meant it as a compliment.
jham123
(278 posts)what Lexicographer means, but I know that "obtuse" isn't a noun
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're trying to deflect and derail the thread.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie's campaign is only about kittens, no room for puppies in the revolution!
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)to campaign for Carly Fiorina on this forum. Please stop, or I'll be forced to alert on you. And I really don't want to do that, even though everything you say is helping Carly Fiorina. And everything you don't say helps her, too. (Maybe you're not really a Democrat?)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)True story: I posted a sarcastic response to a defeatist op explaining why Bernie can't win (because of something or other) by opining that we should all just stay home since the Republicans will win anyway. Unfortunately I didn't think I needed the sarcasm smilie.
Yes it was alerted for encouraging people to stay home in November.
Lesson learned.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Unreal.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)This was added to the article (I don't know when or why it is in the middle of the article):
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign denied that it was considering this strategy. We have no idea what this report is referring to. The notion that were planning to start attacking Sanders record on Israel is simply false, Laura Rosenberger, foreign policy adviser, told the Forward.
Of course, you know I was reading this thread and I swear I was able to see my own brain, they rolled that far back this time. Of course, you know what caused me to .
It is gonna be a long few months, even longer, if Sanders becomes our candidate.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)New lows hit here every day. The resentment towards the black vote could not be more palpable.
jham123
(278 posts)I just reported what was said
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)says "fuck white people" or we want to "buss POC to NH"?
I have seen a lot of this "innocent me just reporting" made up stuff lately.
"Owns blacks"? Maybe one pundit said it, but pretending it is part of the Clinton campaign is complete bullshit.
jham123
(278 posts)she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. They are not just gangs of kids anymore, she said. They are often the kinds of kids that are called super-predators. No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Wow.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:
Maybe they were referring to that?
jham123
(278 posts)I needed a good chuckle
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's an ugly dog whistle- and that poster- and now you, added the word "owned".
To pretend it came from the famous internet meme "all your base are belong" is complete bullshit. Stop feigning ignorance, and giving inflammatory bullshit a pass.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Those were her words, not mine, maybe you should take it up with her.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Is NOT using the word "owned" to describe black people. Base are belong is a dumb meme used to list a whole slew of groups of voters.
Maybe that person or you did not realize the imagery you were invoking with "POC being owned"- but you do now. It is ugly.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What are you on about? What did I invoke again?
I simply quoted an op that claimed women and minorities belong to the Clintons.
Whose posts are you reading? They can't be mine.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)then you misquoted a whole other post- claiming that a Clinton supporter used the phrase "owned" months ago- as an excuse to blame Clinton/ Clinton supporters for this "POC owned" meme. She never used those words- you did. Probably why you declined to link to it?
" A Hillary supporter posted an OP titled "All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton"
She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:
Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.
Maybe they were referring to that? "
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I didn't "misquote" ANYTHING, I never claimed that the op used the word "owned".
You just reposted my words, where do you see that?
In fact I directly quoted the op but didn't link to it because such posts get hidden.
Anyone who wants to see it can use the Google.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That is your quote. And yet the word "owned" appeared no where in that post-which was a list you also mischaracterized as being "women and minorities" leaving out- what? five other groups?
Yeah, you mischaracterized that post to defend the use of "POC owned" (pretending a Clinton supporter did it first) - and you did so knowing exactly how inflammatory it is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Explain to me how 'owned' and 'belonging to' are different again?
adjective & pronoun
1. used with a possessive to emphasize that someone or something belongs or relates to the person mentioned.
Are you actually saying you're okay with someone saying those groups "belong" to someone?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)boasting of "owning POC". Owning black people- does that ring a bell?
If you can't figure out the difference, maybe you should stop discussing POC and crack open a few history books. But I am guessing you know exactly what the difference is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Let's try another dictionary:
belonging to or done by a particular person or thing:
If you can't figure out that those two words mean the same thing maybe you should crack open a book:
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't think memes have made it yet to Websters, but good job trying to strip away all context from her post. Which was about union members, LGBT, Irish-Americans, Latinos, young people and Jewish Democrats- as well as women and POC.
No one but the poster above said Clinton "owns" blacks, and you- while falsely attributing it to someone else.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Plenty of people objected to that disgusting op, including women and minorities. The only people who seem to think it's acceptable to use that kind of language support the same candidate.
Funny that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I made that pretty darned clear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Getting posters mixed up like that is a bad sign. Maybe you need a break?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)of racially divisive propaganda. We see it for exactly what it is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Post the link or admit I never said that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)THEY never said it- but YOU did, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1194277
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:
I was referring to another poster not repeating the same sentiment.
I NEVER said "POC are owned" period.
Now apologize for attributing those words to me.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Pwn is a leetspeak slang term derived from the verb own, as meaning to appropriate or to conquer to gain ownership. The term implies domination or humiliation of a rival,used primarily in the Internet-based video game culture to taunt an opponent who has just been soundly defeated (e.g., "You just got pwned!" .
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)No one else here actually said that, and yes the truth matters.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm tired of your attributing words to me that I never said.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:
Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.
Where does it say "POC are owned"?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You totally misquoted that poster. Clever editing, I have to say.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This is the link you posted:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1194277
This post has been edited 0 times.
You're not going to weasel out of it, show me where I posted those words.
I'm not going to accuse you of lying but it's up to you to prove you didn't.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Since the criticism has to do with his not being friendly enough to Israel (something I strongly disagree with), which has absolutely nothing to do with his religious affiliation.
To listen to you and others who have posted similar accusations, it would seem we must spend the campaign and entire Sanders presidency, should he be elected, with a complete moratorium on any an all discussions of US relations with Israel and the Palestinian conflict.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Please, show me how I'm wrong.
cali
(114,904 posts)Attacking him on this is intended to do two things: tell Jews that a Jew doesn't sufficiently support Israel (she even used a Jewish surrogate as her attack dog on the issue) and point out that he's a Jew to devout Christians in the south.
No, that's not.hard evidence. But it is logic and common sense particularly taking into account her documented dog whistle history.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)at least as far as I know. The rest, I do not buy. You attribute malice, when the comment is the standard stuff of campaigns regarding policy. Whether or not the policy differences exist is a legitimate issue. She doesn't mention he's a Jew, so how would this be conveying a message to "Southern voters," whom for some reason you've decided are particularly anti-semitic? If her argument had been that he's too close to Israel, the point might be persuasive. That he isn't a good enough friend can hardly convey antisemitism. Jewish voters are certainly perfectly capable of making their own informed decisions on who better represents their particular views on US-Israeli relations.
As for dog whistles, she hardly has the corner on that one. After all, Sanders has himself made problematic statements about voters of color. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters
Whereas the attacks on voters of color and women are a central line of attack by his surrogates/supporters--Stockholm Syndrome, uninformed, "vagina voters," "club vagina," or just plain "p...y."
jillan
(39,451 posts)jham123
(278 posts)...set out by the Clinton Camp means that "She herself" is above reproach for the statement?
Even though it was uttered at her rally, by her people??
I suppose the "Special place in Hell" doesn't stick to Hillary either.....she's just a innocent bystander
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)was that "Jew baiting"?
Madeleine Albright has been making that comment since time immemorial. It's even on coffee cups.
It was a mistake to make it in the context of this campaign, and it diverges completely from what Clinton herself has said about Sanders supporters.
What are you talking about Obama for??
I'm not sure if you have been watching, but the race is between Sanders and Clinton with Sanders leading by a landslide
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)jham123
(278 posts)Why the youth vote isn't going with the establishment.
I may know the difference, but I'm not the demographic perplexing Clinton...well...maybe I am
jham123
(278 posts)And that right there is problem with the whole thing
Here is Clinton, losing poorly to the anti-establishment candidate, Bernie Sanders, So what does Clinton do? Brings in a Dinosaur from the very establishment she suffers from in the polls and that Dinosaur utters some statement that was supposed to be cool in the past......and it doesn't float at all....
Here is why your candidate is going down the tubes faster than she can grab more Wall street money
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Here's what Albright said:
Were listeners supposed to not connect the first two sentences with the third?
jham123
(278 posts)And I agree....
Until someone linked up the Historical context, I hadn't a clue and neither did the thousands of young women that voted for Bernie. All they saw was some more of the same ol' establishment
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)You are always inserting comments without any links.
In fact - here is the opposite of what you are saying - with a link!
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/bernie-sanders-slams-netanyahus-warmongering-speech-congress.html
6chars
(3,967 posts)or, no.
jillan
(39,451 posts)in the US.
The Likud party is a right of center party.
Not to mention the Likud party was formed AFTER Bernie lived in a kibbutz.
6chars
(3,967 posts)of course he isn't buds w/Netanyahu. but it is nice how he doesn't make things about personality. you can see it in debates w/Clinton - if he disagrees on policy, he disagrees and says so clearly, but maybe he is old enough to realize it doesn't do any good to add fuel to the fire.
cali
(114,904 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)You just insisted their positions are identical.
cali
(114,904 posts)Secondly, Hillary has spoken, and since leaving State, admiringly of Netanyahu. Bernie boycotted his speech. As far as their voting records go, pretty damn close. In any case, the point is that this is what she is doing.
Hillary Clinton is about to call Bernie Sanders a fake Jew
http://americablog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-fake-jew.html
dchill
(38,503 posts)DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)What are they thinking?
That's right. They're not thinking. They just want to win. No matter what????
Maybe. Like the Zen Master, we'll see.
This is Tom Hanks and Philip Seymour Hoffman at their best. Mike Nichols last film, Charlie Wilson's War, one of those little gems that nobody has seen, but has some significant political impact, if it had been more widely seen.
Trailer:
That ball! It keeps on bouncing!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)He came across as honest and authentic and a bit funny too.
I think the slime will slide right off him and back onto whoever is throwing it, that's the way it has gone so far.
longship
(40,416 posts)His ethics are fairly pure. One has to knit pick to portray anyway else.
That's it!!!! All they have is knit picks!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)I think he said something along the lines of "to speak ill of someone".
klook
(12,157 posts)"As an elephant in the battlefield endures the arrows shot from a bow, even so will I endure abuse and unfriendly expressions of others." - The Buddha, His Life and Teachings: Equanimity and Self-Composure
That being said, I'm glad the Sanders campaign is addressing the lies, albeit through his campaign manager.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Many here should learn that lesson.
Charlie Wilson knew it. He helped defeat the Russians in Afghanistan with help from Pakistan, Israel, and Egypt -- who could have predicted such an alliance? And, as Gust Avrogatos said, the crazies are overtaking things there, Congress bailed.
Wilson couldn't complete the deal , however not without trying his best.
He was one helluva good Congresscritter.
And indeed, it is one of my favorite flicks, and sadly, Mike Nichols' last.
As British humorist Peter Cook once aptly said, "I have learned by mistakes and I can repeat them exactly."
To you!
6chars
(3,967 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)With credit to Stevie Smith's poem.
cali
(114,904 posts)Their positions on Israel are very close.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)How to get the emphasis on his ethnicity into more prominent view. But I've become cynical about them.
cali
(114,904 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I say that as Jewish supporter of Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders was more critical of Israel's bombing of Gaza. That's probably what the pro-Clinton speaker was referring to.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This is an attempt at a two-fer.
First, try to distance Sanders from Jewish voters. Probably not effective.
Second, scream to Southern Christians "THERE IS A JEW RIGHT HERE! HERE! THIS GUY IS A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!" before the upcoming, South-heavy slate of primaries.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)insist on a debate in "de-industrialized America" (after being on record supporting NAFTA which is what caused the devastation to begin with).
This campaign is just F**king terrible.
How can anyone think she will not self destruct in the GE?
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I wish her campaign wouldn't go there.
cali
(114,904 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)about alerting on your OP.
QC
(26,371 posts)Coming soon!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)Maybe she could attack him for being Polish.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)That kind of thing once lost a Senator an election. Specifically, some supporters of that candidate, Rudy Boschwitz, sent a letter on campaign stationery to members of the Minnesota Jewish community three days before the 1990 Senate election, accusing Paul Wellstone of being a "bad Jew" for marrying a Gentile and not raising his children in the Jewish faith (Boschwitz was also Jewish). It said: "Wellstone has no connection with the Jewish community or our communal life," the letter said. "His children were brought up as non-Jews." It also noted that Mr. Wellstone served as co-chairman of Jesse Jackson's 1988 Presidential campaign in Minnesota. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/10/us/ousted-senator-apologizes-for-letter-to-jews.html
Wellstone's reply, widely broadcast on Minnesota television, was "He has a problem with Christians, then." The letter stirred up a firestorm and Boschwitz apologized, but he was the only incumbent U.S. senator not to be reelected that year.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)harrisbierhoff
(39 posts)Nobody has perfected Jew-baiting better than the Republicans. The GOP's unconditional support for Israel without regard to a shoddy human rights record and intentional instigation of hostilities with the settlements (a la Olmert and Netanyahu) has unfortunately become the new standard in the American Jewish community at large. As a liberal Jew, I've often encountered this arrogant attitude that Israel can do no wrong with family members and friends. Unfortunately, many American Jews have drunk the Koolade and Hillary knows how to don her right-wing mask when she needs to. I will not be among them. I want Israel to treat Palestinians judiciously, and to enjoy the security they so rightfully deserve. I believe they are not mutually exclusive, and that Clinton's hawkish attitude is NOT in Israel's best interest.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i also have to wonder if this is blatant pandering to the religious aa vote in south carolina. its coming up, and many baptists and evangelicals are very pro israel.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Ted Nugent.
senz
(11,945 posts)And for our right-leaning "fellow Democrats," do not forget that last year, Bibi Netanyahu, the darling of congressional Republicans, came to America and challenged President Obama on his own turf.
So Hillary had better walk a very careful line on this artful smear.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)But I have never seen her as Obama's heir apparent.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Or you want to see all Jews marched into the ovens.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)If she wins we can expect 10 years of media heads calling her the first Jewish president?
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Meshuga
(6,182 posts)The worst that could happen with this type of attack is Bernie losing the neocon vote, which he never had in the first place.
This time around will be similar to 2008 where Hillary will likely win the "over 45" Jewish demographic, regardless of what she says about Bernie, while the 40-and-under Jews will likely go for Bernie, regardless of what she says about Bernie.
It's very insulting that her campaign believes we Jews only care about Israel, even when it comes to supporting her.
Social justice is extremely important to the US Jewish community, which lead the Jewish community to overwhelmingly supporting Obama in elections, regardless of how much Obama's opponents smeared him on Israel. It certainly didn't stop Jews from giving our president over 70% of the Jewish vote in both elections.
George II
(67,782 posts)....this is the second time this one newspaper article has been posted here today.
By the way, you're calling a comment by a Jewish former congressman "Jew baiting"?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)My jaw has dropped.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)on what being 'a friend of Israel' has to do with the presidency. As Harry Truman is often quoted as saying: "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog." The United States has interests, not friends. Israel is a foreign power, and in many ways a pain in the ass to the US. Anyone spouting the 'special relationship' and 'friend of Israel' rhetoric should be suspect in his or her commitment to the interests of the United States. It's also past time to note seriously that Judaism is a religion and Zionism is an ideology. They are not equivalent and one need not be one to be the other and shouldn't have to profess otherwise to avoid being attacked as an anti-Semite, or a self-loathing Jew, and certainly not to be President of the United States.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)and stay on the issues.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)This terminology is horribly offensive on your part, and twists the hell out of what HRC said.
JURY: the OP states that "Clinton Jew baiting campaign has begun." I am repeating the phrase, not originating it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)"Bernie is a secular Jew and I dont think his religion influenced his stance on Israel, said Hodes
SDJay
(1,089 posts)only existed online and on the teevee machine? I didn't realize it actually had a physical campus.
elleng
(130,973 posts)If I were undecided, THIS crap would tip me over towards Sanders.
There's been no doubt in my mind that the issue would arise, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting it from a Democrat.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)TBF
(32,064 posts)I am disgusted.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)If anything, they see Israel as a bully nation.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Clintons...they know nothing else but dirty politics.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)That's utter bullshit! U.S. citizens have to always come first, second, and third precisely because they're citizens.
When you're running for president, Israel shouldn't even be a blip on the radar. Jewish people that are US citizens should come first before even thinking of Israel.
Change that to this: "Hillary Clinton has been a very strong friend of Brazil and that is something that should not be lost on the American Brazilian community.
There would be an uproar.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Isn't there something like a special place in hell for any Jew who doesn't vote for Sanders or something like that?
Wait, do Jews believe in Hell?
(I'm Jewish and I don't have a clue).
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)good thing because of that special place and all.....
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)They do know what anti-semitism really is, though, and what the HRC campaign's subtle cracks are can be pretty obviously seen as anti-semitism.
To me it is like the "firewall" among POC's, that gives Tweetie a thrill up his leg.
I'll believe it when I see it.
This, what I'm seeing now, is attacking Bernie because he is an American first and that somehow makes him anti-Isreal. I guess there is a way to not see that as an anti-semetic attack for partisan political gain but people who can see it that way better hope Bernie does get marijuana off the drug list.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Israels back pocket?
Now they're attacking him because he... well... isn't in their back pocket.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They need to get their smears straight.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Yeah, we know what kind of "friend" Israel wants. A pushover.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)They've already sent their minions out to red bait which is about as disgusting as it gets.
dae
(3,396 posts)it should be obvious she does not learn from her mistakes i.e. Iraq War vote. She has yet to go against a military campaign, what would the future hold?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Which is why she's an awful candidate, and probably a pretty bad person.