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PBS NewsHour Democratic Debate -- LIVE THREAD #2 (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2016 OP
Thanks for the new thread! n/t femmedem Feb 2016 #1
I'd be careful using the "akin to slavery" line. But anti-Trump is smart. nolabear Feb 2016 #2
Our candidates are such a breath of fresh air compared to all the GOP field book_worm Feb 2016 #3
Definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #9
2007 Bill was Ted Kennedy's; Clinton proud to support it brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #5
i like how easily bernie said he "loved ted kennedy." JudyM Feb 2016 #6
Facebook question on Seniors brooklynite Feb 2016 #7
Are the moderators talking during his answer? n/t TCJ70 Feb 2016 #10
Not that I'm hearing brooklynite Feb 2016 #13
Must be ghosts! TCJ70 Feb 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Feb 2016 #8
Senator er er Sanders. C'mon there's only two of them how hard can this be. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #11
that was awkward. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #14
Yeah, awkward... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18
bernie..lift ss cap restorefreedom Feb 2016 #12
I agree with Bernie on lifting the cap on Social Security. book_worm Feb 2016 #15
old people should not have to cut their pills in half... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #17
that was powerful. he feels people's suffering. JudyM Feb 2016 #22
yup. real people, real issues. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #29
.+10 840high Feb 2016 #50
never should happen. a stain on us all. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #68
Did she just conflate the 2007 immigration reform bill and OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #19
I like Hillary's idea of passive income and SS. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #20
Just because Bernie actually rides Amtrak OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #69
Clinton: we don't have disagreement... brooklynite Feb 2016 #21
"don't get credit for care taking responsibilities; widows lose spousal benefit" TRUTH !! bettyellen Feb 2016 #25
I wish both of them could be president at the same time. They're an excellent team! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #38
ME TOO! bettyellen Feb 2016 #66
Best way for SS to become more vulnerable to Republican cuts (or Grand Bargains w/Dems) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #36
For your sake, I hope you never become a low income senior. It is very painful. southerncrone Feb 2016 #155
I know. Which is why I do not want to see it be vulnerable to cuts Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #231
If we elect decent human beings, it won't be vulnerable. southerncrone Feb 2016 #251
Every Democrat before the recent Grand Bargain Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #255
Be careful OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #23
Yeah that worred me a bit hollowdweller Feb 2016 #28
killer tweet restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24
Perfect n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #37
yes 840high Feb 2016 #125
here they go uponit7771 Feb 2016 #26
Loved Bernie bringing up the Vet bill. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #27
oh she looks bad here . just raise the fucking cap! Arazi Feb 2016 #30
"That's my bill." EOM DaGimpster Feb 2016 #31
rut ro...campaign contributions restorefreedom Feb 2016 #32
Question to Clinton: funding of SuperPACs from Soros and Sussman. Do they influence your campaign? brooklynite Feb 2016 #33
These moderators seem to have forgotten how to ask questions... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #34
Real stinkers. Rachel broke the perfect moderation mold. nc4bo Feb 2016 #39
"Super Pac that we don't coordinate with" TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #35
Yeah, come on. If you aren't coordinating with them... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #42
an outright lie Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #48
geez, she still hasn't figured out how to answer the WS question Arazi Feb 2016 #40
Sen. Sanders should know: you don't "do" a SuperPAC... brooklynite Feb 2016 #41
Then why did Clinton feel the need... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #45
Yea that wasn't good. In fact, good way to bring attention to it.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #56
nudge nudge wink wink Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #47
Which is why... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #51
then why is Hillary in direct Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #55
Yes. And he does know. nolabear Feb 2016 #58
Except for Correct the Record, since they announced they are coordinating with Clinton. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #144
Except when you are Hillary coordinating with your SuperPAC. Right? morningfog Feb 2016 #262
$15m from Wall Street LittleBlue Feb 2016 #43
ha ha the vast majority of her contributors are small donor. well of course. but she also has JudyM Feb 2016 #44
One George Soros donation... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #75
yes, that 'dont insult people's intelligence' was a great response from him. JudyM Feb 2016 #101
You don't understand - he did it out 840high Feb 2016 #149
Our liberal billionaires are squeaky clean... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #171
hillary trying to spin....oops restorefreedom Feb 2016 #46
Hillary seems to be trying to grab Obama and Bernie's coattails at the same time. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #49
Clinton: I campaigned against Senator Obama who received most contributions from Wall St brooklynite Feb 2016 #52
Thanks to Maddi, shes up to 750,001. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #53
Hillary said she has only 750,000 donators. Oops, did she just let the cat out of the bag???? reformist2 Feb 2016 #54
Bout to get real!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #57
Dodd-Frank was crap. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #59
Sanders voted for cfma... GS had nothing to do with CDOs!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #65
she is pissed Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #60
And yet, she drags it out vs. moving on! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #76
Response by Sanders verges to Wall Street, but not linked to Clinton. brooklynite Feb 2016 #61
He'll avoid the direct tie-in... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #64
Sanders does NOT understand what happened financially in 08 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #93
Bernie getting real 'The American People are not dumb' Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #62
but not linking Wall Street, big Pharma, etc. to Clinton... brooklynite Feb 2016 #71
He doesn't need to, the contributions speak for themselves. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #72
Of course he can SheenaR Feb 2016 #86
bernie calling out campaign donors restorefreedom Feb 2016 #63
Sanders linking Wall Street, Drug Prices, opposition to climate change to campaign contributions. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #67
...but linking to Republicans, not Clinton brooklynite Feb 2016 #74
"No Wall Street executive was prosecuted". PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #70
I wish he could go into detail over WHAT they should be prosecuted for... bettyellen Feb 2016 #83
I believe fraud is still a crime. dchill Feb 2016 #116
Tis! I wish he would quantify the level of damage and the potential penalty. Too vague now. bettyellen Feb 2016 #124
He answered Clintons response about she and Obama and Wall Street money by mentioning the results hollowdweller Feb 2016 #90
I am much happier tonight than I was last debate. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #73
There it is...the Shadow Banking point distraction. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #77
Bernie: We don't need no fucking breaks Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #78
Nobody is going to ask her if she'll release her Goldman transcripts? LittleBlue Feb 2016 #79
omg, she’s really failing on this question Arazi Feb 2016 #80
Going to break, then national security brooklynite Feb 2016 #81
Your computer is about 3-5 times as fast as mine. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #87
The problems on the horizon are not "new." OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #82
break up the banks "if appropriate" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #84
I liked what he said about Teddy Roosevelt... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #105
it is such a shame to go backward when we had it once.....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #228
PBS commercial break, they better not ask me to buy a tote bag firebrand80 Feb 2016 #85
How about a water bottle? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #94
How about a martini! nt longship Feb 2016 #123
How about a coffee mug? Paulie Feb 2016 #95
Goals is to give candidates a bathroom break brooklynite Feb 2016 #106
Nope, elleng Feb 2016 #113
So far, so good. longship Feb 2016 #88
I agree. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #91
She's losing on the topic, quick to a break! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #89
The Wall Street issue is just not a good issue for Clinton. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #98
UNREC brooklynite Feb 2016 #99
Well News Hour was a pay program from Malone. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #111
Please! Even this Bernie supporter won't buy that one. nt longship Feb 2016 #104
Damn PBS corporate fat cats nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #137
Keeping America safe. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #92
I am not. I choose not to live my life in fear. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #97
I think both are doing well, but feel this is one of HRC's best book_worm Feb 2016 #96
I think she's been pretty decent at all of them. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #103
yes. agreed this is her best so far. JudyM Feb 2016 #108
She's getting better with each one DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #109
Serious question SheenaR Feb 2016 #112
Have Shields and Brooks left The NewsHour? brooklynite Feb 2016 #100
Don't think so. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #107
No, they haven't. elleng Feb 2016 #119
Both are holding their own, but Bernie's points are stronger. reformist2 Feb 2016 #102
Has Sanders found a way to address his notable weakness on Foreign Policy discussions? brooklynite Feb 2016 #110
What about Obama?! PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #121
...and we're back brooklynite Feb 2016 #114
Seriously, are you on google fiber? Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #117
I'm wondering.... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #136
My feed actually crashed (via cnn.com) Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #141
Sanders is winning this debate big time on all fronts. Incredible command of policy detail californiabernin Feb 2016 #115
not in that room. how do they each poll in Wisconsin? bettyellen Feb 2016 #132
Wow noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #118
especially the one on the right... thinking that bernie wasnt being concrete. JudyM Feb 2016 #126
Bernie has plenty of policy knowledge, and he demonstrated that tonight. nt californiabernin Feb 2016 #139
Yes, they don't have any really good ones for such, elleng Feb 2016 #135
Yeah, and one of them said HRC's healthcare plan is 100 Billion over 10 years? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #138
The 'good' ones are continuing on-line. elleng Feb 2016 #254
Facebook question to Sanders: Are there any areas of Government you'd REDUCE? brooklynite Feb 2016 #120
Just want to say, nice job on the annotations, brooklynite! JudyM Feb 2016 #133
Senator Clinton again... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #122
Yeah, these moderators... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #130
Didn't know the Defense Department. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #127
I love fun facts. bettyellen Feb 2016 #140
IF we continue training programs Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #128
Bernie is a good communicator but an okay debater LittleBlue Feb 2016 #129
He's a stand up guy. It's about policy and issues. Paulie Feb 2016 #143
It is a major issue. I think he should continue on his throught process LittleBlue Feb 2016 #156
He will counterpunch, but will never play offense firebrand80 Feb 2016 #148
remember NJCher Feb 2016 #189
good comeback on the military Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #131
Question to Clinton: Americans worried about attacks at Home brooklynite Feb 2016 #134
Clinton knows her stuff on foreign policy, and it shows brooklynite Feb 2016 #142
Reiterates need to welcome participation by American Muslims...(dig at Trump) brooklynite Feb 2016 #145
Yes she does. It's one main reason I'm for her. The world is insane. nolabear Feb 2016 #147
Insane. Sure. SheenaR Feb 2016 #157
Yes, well, the job requires multitasking. nolabear Feb 2016 #166
Libyans might disagree with that. RiverLover Feb 2016 #217
Hillary standing up for American Muslims! book_worm Feb 2016 #146
Not that she shouldn't, but she'll flaunt her foreign policy experience... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #150
But knowing you don't have experience, you can at least develop thoughtful responses brooklynite Feb 2016 #152
Sanders falls back to vote against Iraq...not getting a strong response from audience. brooklynite Feb 2016 #151
Yeah, it's time to move on from that one... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #153
Here he goes again, one note Sanders. Beacool Feb 2016 #154
Going back to Iran in the 50s might be a stretch... brooklynite Feb 2016 #158
I disagree... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #162
I'm glad he mentioned Iran in the 1950's... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #185
This is why... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #200
So was he right to oppose the war or not? Was she wrong to support it? bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #168
Hillary presents herself extremely well! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #170
He's still at it. Beacool Feb 2016 #179
Well, it did create the problem that Clinton is so worried about now. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #178
Unintended consequences!!!! nt longship Feb 2016 #159
Thank you Bernie!!! For mentioning Mossadegh. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #160
YES! elleng Feb 2016 #175
Clinton: Sanders voted for "regime change" in Iraq in 1998 brooklynite Feb 2016 #161
he did a Nuh huh! take, waving his finger....so cute, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2016 #167
Appreciate the annotations SheenaR Feb 2016 #203
Mossadeqh EVER mentioned before???!! elleng Feb 2016 #163
Not too often. nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #183
"A vote in 2002 isn't a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016" brooklynite Feb 2016 #164
Unintended consequences! !! love this Arazi Feb 2016 #165
He just kicked her butt on regime change and was absolutely right. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #169
YES! elleng Feb 2016 #184
I guess Wes supports her because of their relationship. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #233
In all 'our' time with him, elleng Feb 2016 #237
Bernie's just always cilla4progress Feb 2016 #172
Great answer by Bernie about Blowback! OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #173
"Sen. Senators trusted my judgement by voting to approve me as SOS" brooklynite Feb 2016 #174
Why are we pretending that a vote in 2002 doesn't matter? Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #176
Fits the narrative SheenaR Feb 2016 #188
Question: What will you do to keep America safe ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #177
I love how they are handling their differences. bettyellen Feb 2016 #180
So gentlemanly in acknowledging her expertise Arazi Feb 2016 #181
She takes way too much credit for what Obama has done. If she's right, her term limit is up. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #182
Woah -- I cant believe he brought up Kissinger Wig Master Feb 2016 #186
YES! elleng Feb 2016 #190
Yeah so much for "He doesn't attack. He counterpunches." nolabear Feb 2016 #202
KISSINGER!!!!!!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #187
"Journalists have asked who YOU listen to..." brooklynite Feb 2016 #195
Boom goes the Henry Kissinger Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #191
Dr. Kissinger!! hibbing Feb 2016 #192
Kissnger under the bus!! I LOVE IT. First person I have seen get thrown and enjoyed it! bettyellen Feb 2016 #193
Did not expect the Kissinger hit. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #194
HRC supporter but agree with him about Kissinger book_worm Feb 2016 #196
New thread? getting long Arazi Feb 2016 #197
Hmmm... vdogg Feb 2016 #198
I am. The Kissinger comment was great. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #212
They said "Last word" to Sanders then gave Hillary the last word? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #199
Wow...he nailed it on Kissinger! EndElectoral Feb 2016 #201
She's doubling down on defending Henry Kissinger! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #205
She is!! OMG Arazi Feb 2016 #210
What did she say?!?!?! Pee break Damn it. bettyellen Feb 2016 #211
Only a Republican would double down on Kissinger EndElectoral Feb 2016 #213
100% Agree with you. I, for the life of me, can't figure out her angle on Kissinger. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #220
I'm SO happy he finally stuck it to her on hitching her wagon to Kissinger DaGimpster Feb 2016 #204
Sanders "Kissinger=Trade with China" line doesn't seem to have worked well brooklynite Feb 2016 #207
I will be blunt. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #214
WTF? He nailed it Arazi Feb 2016 #219
only if you are in a >200k/year bubble Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #225
I'm addressing the muted response in the audience. brooklynite Feb 2016 #229
You would be, its stacked Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #239
You have evidence, of course? brooklynite Feb 2016 #240
I'm guessing you think the questions are "stacked" as well? brooklynite Feb 2016 #242
don't you have a salon to go to? Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #244
China funded N. Vietnam and as the war was winding down, Kissinger and Nixon were opening trade with EndElectoral Feb 2016 #230
Hillary keeps trying to take credit for the Iranian nuclear agreement she fought tooth and nail. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #236
I was cheering and so was my Jewish husband. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #241
They brainwashed the shit out of me about Kissinger. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #259
I didn't think that exchange had a lot of impact firebrand80 Feb 2016 #215
I agree with you, but for different reasons. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #226
Holy shit... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #206
Sanders knocked it out of the park on Kissenger hollowdweller Feb 2016 #208
bernie...kissinger "not my kind of guy" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #209
When it comes to foreign policy, Sanders hearkens back to the past. Beacool Feb 2016 #216
That was Mr. Bear's comment. Going WAY back for that. Cambodia? nolabear Feb 2016 #222
If we don't understand the past... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #223
To be fair... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #224
Right, and good and useful points. elleng Feb 2016 #232
Sanders is saying in essence "get on my knees and pray...we won't get fooled again!" hollowdweller Feb 2016 #235
Bernie is the second coming. cilla4progress Feb 2016 #218
Continuation thread..... brooklynite Feb 2016 #221
Ugh, Russia's issues are all about Wall St too now? $$$$ on the mind. bettyellen Feb 2016 #227
I don't understand Hillary's pounding on how qualified she was to be Secretary of State. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #234
What do you mean 1/3 term senator? Beacool Feb 2016 #243
One and one-third terms = 8 years OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #245
Oops, I misread you. Beacool Feb 2016 #247
And no, you don't become on a first name basis with OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #248
Then you don't know her record. She was one of the most traveled first ladies. Beacool Feb 2016 #250
I am sure she traveled as First Lady. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #258
One and 1/3 term. Read it again unc70 Feb 2016 #261
I did. I said it was an oopsie. Beacool Feb 2016 #263
Boom, Bam, Boom, Bam. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #238
in comes the kitchen sink Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #246
that is low Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #249
One helluva good debate. longship Feb 2016 #252
New thread????? Nt longship Feb 2016 #253
Bernie picked Winston Churchill ???!!!.... dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #256
This message was self-deleted by its author Wig Master Feb 2016 #260
HRC's final words zentrum Feb 2016 #257

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
3. Our candidates are such a breath of fresh air compared to all the GOP field
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

particularly on immigration.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
5. I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

...I agree with path to citizenship for people that are already here. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. We really just can't keep taking people from everywhere on Earth.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
7. Facebook question on Seniors
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

Father gets $14 in food assistance through Medicaid family community program. How will low income seniors get their basic needs met?

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
18. Yeah, awkward...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

I think they got used to calling Hillary "Senator" from all the debates in 2008. But yeah, how hard is it to get that right and call each of them the right name? lol

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
15. I agree with Bernie on lifting the cap on Social Security.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

HRC indicates she is considering this as well. And I agree with her on looking out for the poor and women especially.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
19. Did she just conflate the 2007 immigration reform bill and
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

the 2014 Central American immigration surge? They are not at all the same thing, and the 2007 bill was going to be a big giveaway for employers to abuse H1Bs

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
69. Just because Bernie actually rides Amtrak
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

and knows that it simply isn't practical to ban guns on trains does not make him a "tool of the gun lobby"!

It's very easy for those who don't ride trains to pretend to know how they work.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
21. Clinton: we don't have disagreement...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

We both want more money in Social Security system.

Apply existing tax to passive income

Propose expanding benefits to low income Seniors, women (don't get credit for care taking responsibilities; widows lose spousal benefit).

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. "don't get credit for care taking responsibilities; widows lose spousal benefit" TRUTH !!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

Sick of this BS that she does nothing for women- this is typical of her thoughtful take on our issues.

I love them both right now. Weeeeeeee.

Nanjeanne

(4,975 posts)
36. Best way for SS to become more vulnerable to Republican cuts (or Grand Bargains w/Dems)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

is to give "expanded benefits" to low income Seniors. As soon as you do it - it becomes a welfare program. It's a dreadful idea. Programs like SS, Medicare are programs for all the citizens of the US.

Nanjeanne

(4,975 posts)
231. I know. Which is why I do not want to see it be vulnerable to cuts
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

Scrap the cap. Expand benefits. Don't make it a welfare program to be demonized.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
251. If we elect decent human beings, it won't be vulnerable.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

To say helping poor seniors makes it vulnerable, is fear-based. That is the reason it was created!

It is the "borrowing" of $1.37 TRILLION from the SS Surplus & using it to give tax breaks to the wealthy & partially fund the Iraq War that is the problem. THIS should be discussed ad nauseam on the Congressional floors!

Nanjeanne

(4,975 posts)
255. Every Democrat before the recent Grand Bargain
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

Has never wanted social safety net programs means tested. Including Bernie. Which is why I support him. Means testing is the first step to making a program like SS or Medicare vulnerable. It's why when they were created they were social programs for all.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
23. Be careful
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

not to turn Social Security into a poor people's program. Programs for poor people are poor programs.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. killer tweet
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

John Iadarola
John Iadarola – ?@jiadarola

Its hard to disagree when you adopt your opponents positions more and more as the race gets tighter. #DemDebate

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
33. Question to Clinton: funding of SuperPACs from Soros and Sussman. Do they influence your campaign?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

SuperPAC set up to support President Obama; we don't coordinate with them .

More than 750,000 donors; majority give small contributions.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
34. These moderators seem to have forgotten how to ask questions...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

...they're stumbling over them like they're hard.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
35. "Super Pac that we don't coordinate with"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

This is why a majority of the country doesn't trust you, Hillary. Don't lie into the camera like that.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
41. Sen. Sanders should know: you don't "do" a SuperPAC...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

...by law they're independent from your campaign.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
45. Then why did Clinton feel the need...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

...to make it clear "We don't coordinate"? If it's so obvious...

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
51. Which is why...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Jeb Bush's Super Pac just released TV ads featuring George W. Bush. But Jeb had nothing to do with coordinating that. George W. Bush just randomly decided to hook up with the Super Pac.

JudyM

(29,271 posts)
44. ha ha the vast majority of her contributors are small donor. well of course. but she also has
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

yuuge donors, just fewer of those. but the vast majority of the $ comes from major wealthy donors...

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
75. One George Soros donation...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

was bigger than a whole day of 270,000 contributions for Sanders right after winning New Hampshire. Sums up the problem with our system. Bernie is right, don't insult our intelligence. The big money contributions expect favorable treatment. It is an investment for them.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
171. Our liberal billionaires are squeaky clean...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

...but the Koch Brothers have corrupted the hell out of the Republicans. Hmmmm....I think she would do better if she just said straight up, "Yeah I take big money and yeah it has affected some of my policies. But this is how the system is and I work hard within the system to help working people as much as possible."

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
46. hillary trying to spin....oops
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

Secular Talk
Secular Talk – ?@KyleKulinski

Time for Hillary to pretend Wall Street doesn't love her. #DemDebate

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
52. Clinton: I campaigned against Senator Obama who received most contributions from Wall St
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

...and then passed Dodd-Frank.

Ouch! Dig at Sanders and gun lobby.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
59. Dodd-Frank was crap.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Compared to Glass-Stegal and keep in mind Dodd-Frank kept the teeth out of the Consumer Protection Bureau it created.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
93. Sanders does NOT understand what happened financially in 08
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

... He continuously points to side players instead of the investment houses!!!!

GS had nothing to do with unmitigated CDOs!!!!

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
67. Sanders linking Wall Street, Drug Prices, opposition to climate change to campaign contributions.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

This is his favorite issue and he is killing it.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
90. He answered Clintons response about she and Obama and Wall Street money by mentioning the results
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

Good job.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
79. Nobody is going to ask her if she'll release her Goldman transcripts?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

Seems a bit odd considering the standard attacks against Bernie are being repeated by the moderators.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
87. Your computer is about 3-5 times as fast as mine.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

You type responses before I have heard those things in the debate!

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
82. The problems on the horizon are not "new."
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

They are problems that Congress CHOSE not to deal with in Dodd-Frank.

Dodd-Frank is too weak.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
105. I liked what he said about Teddy Roosevelt...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

It's something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Teddy would be truly appalled at how corrupt our political system is. Over 100 years ago he said no corporation should be able to donate to a political campaign. After the reforms he put into place during his time, we really lost our way on this and turned into an oligarchy again.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
111. Well News Hour was a pay program from Malone.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

But I do think News Hour shouldn't be doing this debate. NOW should be doing it instead.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
92. Keeping America safe.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

Do we need to hear this bs about Isil AGAIN?! I'm not terrified of terrorist attack. Is anyone on DU here? I know I'm not.

DavidDvorkin

(19,485 posts)
109. She's getting better with each one
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

And in my view, Sanders is getting more rambling and repetitive with each one.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
112. Serious question
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

How? Each issue he has ended with the upper hand or better finish. She had the better opening statement. That was it.

My undecided mother in law sees it my way as well. YMMV

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
102. Both are holding their own, but Bernie's points are stronger.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

It comes down to real change vs. incremental change. With Dems, real change wins every time.
 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
115. Sanders is winning this debate big time on all fronts. Incredible command of policy detail
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

and stays on point in every single exchange. He hasn't given an inch!

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
138. Yeah, and one of them said HRC's healthcare plan is 100 Billion over 10 years?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

She didn't say over 10 years, just 100 Billion.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
120. Facebook question to Sanders: Are there any areas of Government you'd REDUCE?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders: there's plenty of wast and inefficiency

Clinton: plenty of redundant programs that can be streamlined.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
129. Bernie is a good communicator but an okay debater
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

Christie would have buried her with that robotic "Obama administration" reply over and over again. Or the Goldman transcripts issue.

I like Bernie but the guy couldn't smell blood in a slaughterhouse. She's insanely vulnerable on this issue. She squirms every time it's brought up. You can practically hear Hillary's sigh of relief after he goes off on one of his professorial sounding lectures rather than challenging her directly.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
156. It is a major issue. I think he should continue on his throught process
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

He made fun of the notion that Wall Street donates with no expectation of return.

I'd ask her directly what they expect in return for $15m. He's just too oblique. Her wounded campaign should be all but dead by now being so vulnerable to the obvious appearance of corruption. Yet here she is, still ahead in most polls while Bernie walks on eggshells. I hope he can win in spite of his strategic blunder.

NJCher

(35,722 posts)
189. remember
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

that Obama is very popular with AAs in So. Carolina. Bernie might be treading lightly so as not to offend them. Now me, when she's talking about how there's no relationship between her huge Wall Street donations and policy. I would say: "Two words, Madame Secretary! Tim Geithner."

But, you see, that would lead right back to Obama and possibly angering those voters.

So maybe Bernie is exercising his wisdom here.


Cher

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
134. Question to Clinton: Americans worried about attacks at Home
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

Are we ready for future attacks?

Clinton: We've made a lot of improvements on domestic security, but we know we haven't done enough.

We need to lead a coalition against ISIS. American led AIR campaign supporting fights on the ground

Cut off flow of funding and online presence

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
150. Not that she shouldn't, but she'll flaunt her foreign policy experience...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

...but I think it's understandable that Sanders wouldn't have that same experience. How many people today actually have practical foreign policy experience?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
153. Yeah, it's time to move on from that one...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

...I like that he didn't vote for it. I think it's awesome that he predicted ISIS 13 years ago. That takes some serious judgement and consideration.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
154. Here he goes again, one note Sanders.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

Any foreign policy issue? "I voted against the war in Iraq". MOVE ON.............

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
162. I disagree...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

...it matters in the larger context of America's foreign policy problems over the years.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
185. I'm glad he mentioned Iran in the 1950's...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Had a college class on the Middle East and it seemed the professor felt our meddling with Iran in the 1950's was critical to making the Middle East such a mess today. One wonders how things might have gone if we left them alone back then. Seems like we have had a domino effect ever since.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
200. This is why...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Iran is such a problem now, because of our interference. We've even had people in South America who were killed because they wouldn't go with bs IMF loans that would put their countries into outrageous debt.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
168. So was he right to oppose the war or not? Was she wrong to support it?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

When your opponent has made a monumental error in judgement in the area of her greatest strength yes, you do keep bringing it up.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
160. Thank you Bernie!!! For mentioning Mossadegh.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

For people who don't know about the Iranian coup. They will look it up after this, thank you GOD!!!

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
203. Appreciate the annotations
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

How about you make them a little less impartial for those who aren't watching. Your narration is completely one sided

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
169. He just kicked her butt on regime change and was absolutely right.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

No longer is he "timid" about talking about foreign policy.

His answer was spot on.

She's NOT prepared to make the right decision.

elleng

(131,085 posts)
237. In all 'our' time with him,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

I've NEVER noticed her listening to him. It's always been due to their 'relationship,' one reason I've never cared for her, not smart enough to listen to him, NO POINTS from ME, EVER!

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
176. Why are we pretending that a vote in 2002 doesn't matter?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

That was the start of problems that we are currently dealing with.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
177. Question: What will you do to keep America safe ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

HRC: I will do "A", "B", "C" - "Z"

Sanders: "This is what went wrong. I told them it would go wrong. I won't do that."

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
192. Dr. Kissinger!!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Uh oh..............but hey, just like the Iraq vote, let's not talk about the past, let's talk about today.

Peace

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
193. Kissnger under the bus!! I LOVE IT. First person I have seen get thrown and enjoyed it!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Oh snap. Good comeback, Hill!

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
212. I am. The Kissinger comment was great.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

That man is a War Criminal and whatever visibility he gets on that front I wholeheartedly agree with.

DaGimpster

(130 posts)
214. I will be blunt.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

Defense of Kissinger on Hillary's part is disgraceful. If you won't see it that way, I'm sorry.

Man is a criminal.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
242. I'm guessing you think the questions are "stacked" as well?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

"Wasting" all this time on foreign policy?

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
230. China funded N. Vietnam and as the war was winding down, Kissinger and Nixon were opening trade with
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

them. This is a very salient point Sanders is making. One of our biggest enemies contributing to thousands of American lives being lost was now suddenly welcomed as a major trading partner.

I remember the time and how outraged Democrats were at the time.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
241. I was cheering and so was my Jewish husband.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

It did fall flat because years of propaganda have been kind to the average person regarding Kissinger. And that's more sad than I care to acknowledge.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
259. They brainwashed the shit out of me about Kissinger.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

In school. To the point where if I'm a woman I should think to sleep with him and as a man I should aspire to be like him. You can believe finding out the truth on Kissinger incensed me to a point you wouldn't believe.

DaGimpster

(130 posts)
226. I agree with you, but for different reasons.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

Americans have the attention span of a mosquito, and god forbid we remember what he did.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
206. Holy shit...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

She is defending our trade relationship with China. This is gonna backfire bad. China has stolen our manufacturing jobs and screwed over many millions of American workers. Bernie is killing it on this.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
216. When it comes to foreign policy, Sanders hearkens back to the past.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

He talks about events that happened decades ago. People want to hear what he plans to do if he becomes CIC, not about the Shah of Iran or even Kissinger in the 70s.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
223. If we don't understand the past...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

...we'll stumble through the future. His knowledge on that past is fairly impressive. His predictions on the outcome of the Iraq war is impressive. It's unfortunate that he has so much trouble expressing it.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
224. To be fair...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. That was the main point he was making on the Middle East. We keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
234. I don't understand Hillary's pounding on how qualified she was to be Secretary of State.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

She was a one and 1/3 term Senator, no history in the Foreign Service, as a diplomat, or in the military. She didn't even serve on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Senate. I'm not trying to rewrite history and say she should not have been Sec State. My question is why is she trying to sell American voters on the fact that somehow she was picked because she was the "best qualified" for the job and President Obama was going to rely on "her" advice (as opposed to the advice of foreign policy professionals appointed to the NSC)? She got appointed because of politics and she did an okay job (depending upon how you feel about her supporting the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and caving on China's workers rights violations), but she was no Thomas Jefferson.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
243. What do you mean 1/3 term senator?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary was on her second term when she was chosen by Obama to be his SOS. She was a senator for 8 years. After 8 years in the WH and 8 years as senator, she was on a first name basis with almost every world leader.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
245. One and one-third terms = 8 years
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

That means 6 years (one-term) + 2 years (1/3 term) = 8 years.

It's called fractions.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
248. And no, you don't become on a first name basis with
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

"almost every world leader" by sitting in the Senate for 8 years. You just don't. And particularly if you are not on the Foreign Affairs Committee, you don't. There is no "foreign travel" required for Senators; they are not heads of state; and they do not necessarily meet with heads of state when they travel.

And no, being "First Lady" does not qualify you to be Secretary of State.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
250. Then you don't know her record. She was one of the most traveled first ladies.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

She got to discuss issues with many world leaders and she did travel as senator. Aside from the fact that she happens to be one of the most well known women in the world. There's also her travels with the Clinton Foundation.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
258. I am sure she traveled as First Lady.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

Good for her. I just don't think that's a job. You don't get into the room when the meaningful discussions are had. You go to the dinners and then they send to the museum or the school or some other photo op--because you are there as a wife--not as someone the US Government given the power to negotiate something. It doesn't count as a job if you visit a country because you're married to someone. No one voted her to be First Lady. And I don't think it advances women's rights for her to rely on her role as First Lady. Every job I've ever had I got on my own, not because I married into it. That's what advances women's rights.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
238. Boom, Bam, Boom, Bam.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary and her war drums.

BTW, lady, the BIGGEST state sponsor of terrorism is Saudi Arabia, not Iran.

And I was never Secretary of State.

longship

(40,416 posts)
252. One helluva good debate.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

I won't post any opinion except that I loved the back and forth.
The best debate so far.

dubyadiprecession

(5,722 posts)
256. Bernie picked Winston Churchill ???!!!....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

churchill was the biggest hypocrite of the 20th century! He wanted Britain and Europe free of tyranny from germany. After the war,did he want to free places like northern Ireland and india from tyranny from Britain? Give them their independence? Hell no!! He was an occupier like Hitler!
FUCK CHURCHILL ! Bad choice bernie!!

Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #256)

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
257. HRC's final words
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary's closing speech was strong, mostly because she sounded like Bernie. This election has really pressed her to finally start mouthing more progressive positions.

At one point she talked about oil and big Pharma having "too much influence".

How do they get that influence Hillary? How?

Here's a bit of answer from a Huffpo article by Paul Blumenthal in July 2015:

Nearly all of the lobbyists bundling contributions for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign have at one time or another worked for the fossil fuel industry.

A list of 40 registered lobbyists that the Clinton camp disclosed to the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday revealed a number of Democratic Party lobbyists who have worked against regulations to curb climate change, advocated for offshore drilling, or sought government approval for natural gas exports.
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