2016 Postmortem
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(8,207 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)particularly on immigration.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...I agree with path to citizenship for people that are already here. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. We really just can't keep taking people from everywhere on Earth.
JudyM
(29,271 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Father gets $14 in food assistance through Medicaid family community program. How will low income seniors get their basic needs met?
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)I think they got used to calling Hillary "Senator" from all the debates in 2008. But yeah, how hard is it to get that right and call each of them the right name? lol
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)applause!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)HRC indicates she is considering this as well. And I agree with her on looking out for the poor and women especially.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bam!
JudyM
(29,271 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)byw - I have done that.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)the 2014 Central American immigration surge? They are not at all the same thing, and the 2007 bill was going to be a big giveaway for employers to abuse H1Bs
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)and knows that it simply isn't practical to ban guns on trains does not make him a "tool of the gun lobby"!
It's very easy for those who don't ride trains to pretend to know how they work.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)We both want more money in Social Security system.
Apply existing tax to passive income
Propose expanding benefits to low income Seniors, women (don't get credit for care taking responsibilities; widows lose spousal benefit).
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Sick of this BS that she does nothing for women- this is typical of her thoughtful take on our issues.
I love them both right now. Weeeeeeee.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,975 posts)is to give "expanded benefits" to low income Seniors. As soon as you do it - it becomes a welfare program. It's a dreadful idea. Programs like SS, Medicare are programs for all the citizens of the US.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,975 posts)Scrap the cap. Expand benefits. Don't make it a welfare program to be demonized.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)To say helping poor seniors makes it vulnerable, is fear-based. That is the reason it was created!
It is the "borrowing" of $1.37 TRILLION from the SS Surplus & using it to give tax breaks to the wealthy & partially fund the Iraq War that is the problem. THIS should be discussed ad nauseam on the Congressional floors!
Nanjeanne
(4,975 posts)Has never wanted social safety net programs means tested. Including Bernie. Which is why I support him. Means testing is the first step to making a program like SS or Medicare vulnerable. It's why when they were created they were social programs for all.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)not to turn Social Security into a poor people's program. Programs for poor people are poor programs.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)John Iadarola
John Iadarola ?@jiadarola
Its hard to disagree when you adopt your opponents positions more and more as the race gets tighter. #DemDebate
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)And mentioning Obama's support for it and her opposition.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)here we go
we don't coordinate with superpacs
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)SuperPAC set up to support President Obama; we don't coordinate with them .
More than 750,000 donors; majority give small contributions.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...they're stumbling over them like they're hard.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)This is why a majority of the country doesn't trust you, Hillary. Don't lie into the camera like that.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...you don't need to say it.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)...by law they're independent from your campaign.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...to make it clear "We don't coordinate"? If it's so obvious...
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Jeb Bush's Super Pac just released TV ads featuring George W. Bush. But Jeb had nothing to do with coordinating that. George W. Bush just randomly decided to hook up with the Super Pac.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Coordination?
nolabear
(41,991 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)She looks so nervous when this topic comes around
JudyM
(29,271 posts)yuuge donors, just fewer of those. but the vast majority of the $ comes from major wealthy donors...
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)was bigger than a whole day of 270,000 contributions for Sanders right after winning New Hampshire. Sums up the problem with our system. Bernie is right, don't insult our intelligence. The big money contributions expect favorable treatment. It is an investment for them.
JudyM
(29,271 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)of the goodness of his heart.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)...but the Koch Brothers have corrupted the hell out of the Republicans. Hmmmm....I think she would do better if she just said straight up, "Yeah I take big money and yeah it has affected some of my policies. But this is how the system is and I work hard within the system to help working people as much as possible."
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Secular Talk
Secular Talk ?@KyleKulinski
Time for Hillary to pretend Wall Street doesn't love her. #DemDebate
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)It is weird.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)...and then passed Dodd-Frank.
Ouch! Dig at Sanders and gun lobby.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Compared to Glass-Stegal and keep in mind Dodd-Frank kept the teeth out of the Consumer Protection Bureau it created.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)She is losing on this question
DaGimpster
(130 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...he doesn't need to do it.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... He continuously points to side players instead of the investment houses!!!!
GS had nothing to do with unmitigated CDOs!!!!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)...because he can't
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)He smartly doesn't. Since the "damn emails" he has picked his battles perfectly.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)giving money out just for the fun of it...expecting nothing in return
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)This is his favorite issue and he is killing it.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Nuff said.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)dchill
(38,531 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Good job.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Trying to send us on a wild goose chase. Give me a break.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Seems a bit odd considering the standard attacks against Bernie are being repeated by the moderators.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Every answer more defensive
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)You type responses before I have heard those things in the debate!
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)They are problems that Congress CHOSE not to deal with in Dodd-Frank.
Dodd-Frank is too weak.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she always has to leave herself an out...always....
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)It's something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Teddy would be truly appalled at how corrupt our political system is. Over 100 years ago he said no corporation should be able to donate to a political campaign. After the reforms he put into place during his time, we really lost our way on this and turned into an oligarchy again.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)elleng
(131,085 posts)it's a 'bathroom' break, nothing to sell!
longship
(40,416 posts)A vibrant back and forth! The best debate so far.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Are you suggesting the debate producers are in the tank for Clinton.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)But I do think News Hour shouldn't be doing this debate. NOW should be doing it instead.
longship
(40,416 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Do we need to hear this bs about Isil AGAIN?! I'm not terrified of terrorist attack. Is anyone on DU here? I know I'm not.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)debates of this cycle.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)JudyM
(29,271 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)And in my view, Sanders is getting more rambling and repetitive with each one.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)How? Each issue he has ended with the upper hand or better finish. She had the better opening statement. That was it.
My undecided mother in law sees it my way as well. YMMV
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)I thought they always did the political analysis.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)elleng
(131,085 posts)May analyze this later.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)It comes down to real change vs. incremental change. With Dems, real change wins every time.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Little foreign policy experience before being voted President.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I'm still on the break.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Are you doing OTA or streaming? I know I'm watching OTA.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)and stays on point in every single exchange. He hasn't given an inch!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Those talking heads during the break were pathetic.
JudyM
(29,271 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)elleng
(131,085 posts)they're lousy on Monday after the NewsHour.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)She didn't say over 10 years, just 100 Billion.
elleng
(131,085 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Sanders: there's plenty of wast and inefficiency
Clinton: plenty of redundant programs that can be streamlined.
JudyM
(29,271 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Geez!! Not hard to get it right. Secretary, moderators.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...yikes.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Has never been audited but it doesn't surprise me.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)WTF
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Christie would have buried her with that robotic "Obama administration" reply over and over again. Or the Goldman transcripts issue.
I like Bernie but the guy couldn't smell blood in a slaughterhouse. She's insanely vulnerable on this issue. She squirms every time it's brought up. You can practically hear Hillary's sigh of relief after he goes off on one of his professorial sounding lectures rather than challenging her directly.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)He just happens to like and respect Hillary.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He made fun of the notion that Wall Street donates with no expectation of return.
I'd ask her directly what they expect in return for $15m. He's just too oblique. Her wounded campaign should be all but dead by now being so vulnerable to the obvious appearance of corruption. Yet here she is, still ahead in most polls while Bernie walks on eggshells. I hope he can win in spite of his strategic blunder.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)NJCher
(35,722 posts)that Obama is very popular with AAs in So. Carolina. Bernie might be treading lightly so as not to offend them. Now me, when she's talking about how there's no relationship between her huge Wall Street donations and policy. I would say: "Two words, Madame Secretary! Tim Geithner."
But, you see, that would lead right back to Obama and possibly angering those voters.
So maybe Bernie is exercising his wisdom here.
Cher
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Are we ready for future attacks?
Clinton: We've made a lot of improvements on domestic security, but we know we haven't done enough.
We need to lead a coalition against ISIS. American led AIR campaign supporting fights on the ground
Cut off flow of funding and online presence
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Domestic Issues and Climate Change are far more dangerous than ISIS
nolabear
(41,991 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)nt
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Bravo!!
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but I think it's understandable that Sanders wouldn't have that same experience. How many people today actually have practical foreign policy experience?
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...I like that he didn't vote for it. I think it's awesome that he predicted ISIS 13 years ago. That takes some serious judgement and consideration.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Any foreign policy issue? "I voted against the war in Iraq". MOVE ON.............
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...it matters in the larger context of America's foreign policy problems over the years.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Had a college class on the Middle East and it seemed the professor felt our meddling with Iran in the 1950's was critical to making the Middle East such a mess today. One wonders how things might have gone if we left them alone back then. Seems like we have had a domino effect ever since.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Iran is such a problem now, because of our interference. We've even had people in South America who were killed because they wouldn't go with bs IMF loans that would put their countries into outrageous debt.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)When your opponent has made a monumental error in judgement in the area of her greatest strength yes, you do keep bringing it up.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)He just repeated it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)For people who don't know about the Iranian coup. They will look it up after this, thank you GOD!!!
elleng
(131,085 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)How about you make them a little less impartial for those who aren't watching. Your narration is completely one sided
elleng
(131,085 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)No longer is he "timid" about talking about foreign policy.
His answer was spot on.
She's NOT prepared to make the right decision.
(p.s., seen this? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016144105 )
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She would never listen to him.
elleng
(131,085 posts)I've NEVER noticed her listening to him. It's always been due to their 'relationship,' one reason I've never cared for her, not smart enough to listen to him, NO POINTS from ME, EVER!
cilla4progress
(24,763 posts)engaged.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)I recommend "Blowback" for interested parties.
http://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)That was the start of problems that we are currently dealing with.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)That Bernie has no foreign policy experience
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)HRC: I will do "A", "B", "C" - "Z"
Sanders: "This is what went wrong. I told them it would go wrong. I won't do that."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Wig Master
(95 posts)elleng
(131,085 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)"Well it ain't Henry Kissinger that's for sure"
hibbing
(10,109 posts)Uh oh..............but hey, just like the Iraq vote, let's not talk about the past, let's talk about today.
Peace
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Oh snap. Good comeback, Hill!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Interesting.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)but she did counter it fairly effectively.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)Not sure about this line of attack. Bernie doesn't do well going negative.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)That man is a War Criminal and whatever visibility he gets on that front I wholeheartedly agree with.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Hrm...
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)Defense of Kissinger on Hillary's part is disgraceful. If you won't see it that way, I'm sorry.
Man is a criminal.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)Let me guess, you are?
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)"Wasting" all this time on foreign policy?
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)them. This is a very salient point Sanders is making. One of our biggest enemies contributing to thousands of American lives being lost was now suddenly welcomed as a major trading partner.
I remember the time and how outraged Democrats were at the time.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It did fall flat because years of propaganda have been kind to the average person regarding Kissinger. And that's more sad than I care to acknowledge.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)In school. To the point where if I'm a woman I should think to sleep with him and as a man I should aspire to be like him. You can believe finding out the truth on Kissinger incensed me to a point you wouldn't believe.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)It just came off as two people arguing about history
DaGimpster
(130 posts)Americans have the attention span of a mosquito, and god forbid we remember what he did.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)She is defending our trade relationship with China. This is gonna backfire bad. China has stolen our manufacturing jobs and screwed over many millions of American workers. Bernie is killing it on this.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)ouch!
Beacool
(30,251 posts)He talks about events that happened decades ago. People want to hear what he plans to do if he becomes CIC, not about the Shah of Iran or even Kissinger in the 70s.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...we'll stumble through the future. His knowledge on that past is fairly impressive. His predictions on the outcome of the Iraq war is impressive. It's unfortunate that he has so much trouble expressing it.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. That was the main point he was making on the Middle East. We keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
elleng
(131,085 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)cilla4progress
(24,763 posts)I'm just sure.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)She was a one and 1/3 term Senator, no history in the Foreign Service, as a diplomat, or in the military. She didn't even serve on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Senate. I'm not trying to rewrite history and say she should not have been Sec State. My question is why is she trying to sell American voters on the fact that somehow she was picked because she was the "best qualified" for the job and President Obama was going to rely on "her" advice (as opposed to the advice of foreign policy professionals appointed to the NSC)? She got appointed because of politics and she did an okay job (depending upon how you feel about her supporting the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and caving on China's workers rights violations), but she was no Thomas Jefferson.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Hillary was on her second term when she was chosen by Obama to be his SOS. She was a senator for 8 years. After 8 years in the WH and 8 years as senator, she was on a first name basis with almost every world leader.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)That means 6 years (one-term) + 2 years (1/3 term) = 8 years.
It's called fractions.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)I thought you wrote 1/3 term. Sorry.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)"almost every world leader" by sitting in the Senate for 8 years. You just don't. And particularly if you are not on the Foreign Affairs Committee, you don't. There is no "foreign travel" required for Senators; they are not heads of state; and they do not necessarily meet with heads of state when they travel.
And no, being "First Lady" does not qualify you to be Secretary of State.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)She got to discuss issues with many world leaders and she did travel as senator. Aside from the fact that she happens to be one of the most well known women in the world. There's also her travels with the Clinton Foundation.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Good for her. I just don't think that's a job. You don't get into the room when the meaningful discussions are had. You go to the dinners and then they send to the museum or the school or some other photo op--because you are there as a wife--not as someone the US Government given the power to negotiate something. It doesn't count as a job if you visit a country because you're married to someone. No one voted her to be First Lady. And I don't think it advances women's rights for her to rely on her role as First Lady. Every job I've ever had I got on my own, not because I married into it. That's what advances women's rights.
unc70
(6,117 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)I only read 1/3 and not the "one" in front of it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hillary and her war drums.
BTW, lady, the BIGGEST state sponsor of terrorism is Saudi Arabia, not Iran.
And I was never Secretary of State.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The rehearsed attack
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Make him use his closing statement to respond to her direct attack
longship
(40,416 posts)I won't post any opinion except that I loved the back and forth.
The best debate so far.
longship
(40,416 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)churchill was the biggest hypocrite of the 20th century! He wanted Britain and Europe free of tyranny from germany. After the war,did he want to free places like northern Ireland and india from tyranny from Britain? Give them their independence? Hell no!! He was an occupier like Hitler!
FUCK CHURCHILL ! Bad choice bernie!!
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zentrum
(9,865 posts)Hillary's closing speech was strong, mostly because she sounded like Bernie. This election has really pressed her to finally start mouthing more progressive positions.
At one point she talked about oil and big Pharma having "too much influence".
How do they get that influence Hillary? How?
Here's a bit of answer from a Huffpo article by Paul Blumenthal in July 2015:
Nearly all of the lobbyists bundling contributions for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clintons campaign have at one time or another worked for the fossil fuel industry.
A list of 40 registered lobbyists that the Clinton camp disclosed to the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday revealed a number of Democratic Party lobbyists who have worked against regulations to curb climate change, advocated for offshore drilling, or sought government approval for natural gas exports.