The broken record has been 100% right for the last 50 years on a lot of very important issues (obviously not all of them, but many of them). Thankfully we are entering a new era with the Internet where people can judge for themselves instead of allowing the media to spin everything. The Internet allows you to go back through history and see if the candidate has been consistent.

It's a consistent message.

It's not because he can't speak beyond talking points like Rubio. He wants to get his message across. The message is simple and true & doesn't require much convincing. He just has to make sure people here it.

about it, not the Clinton camp.

... the repetitiveness of someone who's been using the same talking points for decades.

"I'm almost sure it's something Clinton camp sent to reporters ..."

Yeah, I'm sure you're "almost sure". It's undoubtedly part of the nation-wide conspiracy against Bernie - because isn't everything?

"They fail to see that this is not t.v. show where you have to come up with new material every week."

Every week? No. Every decade or so, yeah.

Clinton campaign sends talking points? Just consequences that several media organizations try to use the Rubio thing against Sanders?

Please read this article and tell me Clinton camp is above pushing agendas to reporters. I'm pretty sure Sanders campaign sends talking points to as well. It's just failure on our media when they just repeat it.

http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-coverage-she-wants-1758019058

for fucks sake, when will these CTs end?

... when HRC is declared the nominee. We'll be hearing/reading about the CTs that thwarted Bernie's bid for the nomination for many, many months to come.

politics at my tree trimming (which I prefer to shelve in favor of a bacchanal) and scolded him, "no Bernie, no chemtrails!"
LOL. Timing is everything. Politicking at my holiday parties is only okay of they are Oct 31st!

That's why people want to hear it over and over and over and over.

It's the forbidden truth and it's just such a relief to hear it.

So rarely talked about in recent years that it sounds new.

And note that until something is done to change the greed and bad governance and the wrongs that Bernie repeatedly describes, people are going to keep listening and listening.

The number of people listening over and over to what Bernie says again and again is growing. There is pent-up demand for Bernie's honesty.

Bernie, keep telling us the truth. Let's do something to change these wrongs that have been going on for so long so that you can talk about something new.

I think that when the problems he is describing no longer exist, Bernie will tell us something else.

Hillary must like what Bernie is repeating because she is beginning to sound more and more like Bernie with each new day.

I think the Clinton messaging tactics are distributed to the MSM first, and they filter down to the Intertube flacks.

So, we should be graced many OPs with this theme by Friday morning.

Why should he change now?

Anyway, this isn't about Sanders anyway, which he'll be the first to tell you.

Did the Israelite pundits criticise John the Baptist for repeating the same sermons? Of course not.

Herod did kill John to get into Salome's panties but that's another story.

Have to make your point with the vast majority of occasional viewers, not with the political junkies.

I've watched maybe 9 or 10 debates and forums with Sanders and he has said pretty much the same thing every time, remarkably without flushing out his policy positions.

I expect thousands of people around America had the same reaction. Some things are just obvious.

This is not policy forum. He has couple of minutes to explain complex policies. You elect on vision and policy formation comes after.

They're not making fun of Rubio for being consistent on the issues, as Bernie is, but for actually repeating the same sentence/phrase over and over again within minutes. And one devoid of any substance at that.

Check this out:

same things happen in two different campaigns, with two different staffs, at what point do the principals say, maybe it's us.

NT

Err... Maybe I don't remember because he hadn't talked about it and "repeated" it amongst everything else that he "repeated"?

I do remember her again mentioning like she noted last debate that she was not just going to criticize banks but criticize other entities such as Countrywide that she mentioned again, even though Countrywide is now owned by a bank (Bank of America). Which kind of supports Bernie's contention that the banks have been allowed to get bigger and closer to being too big to fail.

... like Countrywide where you'd have to go after Bank of America (a BANK!) now to go after them.

And the bankster migration/consolidation in to "too big to jail" firms helped what was left of Countrywide in BofA package those bad loans in to bad funds that people were betting against with speculative trading on options that has come about with these banks getting too big.

I wish that Sanders would say that he agrees with her proposed regulations but ALSO wants to break up the biggest banks.

Then she couldn't claim to be tougher on Wall Street.

Used to be a lot of other names for it.

that must be what confused them.

I forget who it was, Gergen or Begala IIRC.

And several sites are hanging on Clinton's last words saying she wasn't a "single issue candidate."

This will surely backfire.

Is she seriously saying Bernie is a one issue candidate? Really?

It's going to backfire big time. It was dropped in there as a tidbit at the end of her speech, literally her last few sentences, she purposefully did it and was told to do it by her coaching team in all probability.

changing everything could be considered one issue.

If she called Sanders a "single issue candidate" in her campaign speeches, it would be false, but less obviously false than at the end of a debate.

Bernie-bot is already used.

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and repeat jihad endlessly.

BTW, he also needs to reach new viwers who have not heard his mesaage before.

As any advertising person will tell you.

Cher

So there are a whole lot of people--most people in our country--who don't even know his name yet, or just learned it, and know nothing of what he has to say. It is a BRILLIANT campaign strategy to have recognized that this is what the Corporate Media would do, and to PREPARE for it, with a simple and repeated list of policy goals and clear statements such as "a rigged economy" and "corrupt campaign contribution system"--things that people NEVER HEAR now, and haven't heard for decades, but that they will instantly recognize as true and as related to their own lives and experience.

We who noticed Sanders early on, and soon started supporting him, of course may get tired of repeated statements--although most of them don't tire me at all, I'm so amazed to be hearing them. (It's like I need to re-check that a U.S. politician is actually saying these things--did I hear that right?) But yeah, if you're a policy wonk and/or a DU member, I can understand "message fatigue." But then he throws in zingers like he did tonight--for instance, his Kissinger statements--that make you realize what a great debater he is, and, once he gets his message clearly out there, how great he is going to be in future debates and speeches. This is one very smart man and he has a whole lot to say.

Sanders is only very recently getting Corporate news coverage, and even then, it's an afterthought after the Trump headline, never about substance, and often just a "horse race" article or broadcast. I have never, since the Iraq War, seen such utterly disreputable journalism! The man didn't just beat Hillary in New Hampshire, he blew her away--and then raised $7 million in tiny donations in 18 hours! He is a phenomenon!

You wouldn't know that, and you wouldn't have much sense of what he had to say, even now, even if you paid some attention to the news, if you get all your news from the Corporate Media. That is changing (via the internet) but it's still true of a lot of people, especially older people and poor people who may not have much access to the internet. But when Bernie comes to town, and draws a crowd of 10,000 or 20,000, and goes on local media, and talks to people, and after more debates, and when the Corporate Media can't avoid presenting some substance any more from Bernie, they are, for the most part, going to be blown away by what he has to say BECAUSE THEY ARE HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

Whoever thought this out is a political genius.

pitting Bernie against either Obama or Ted Kennedy. She just lit right up during those spiels. Odd, since these moments happened to be her lowest and ugliest.

When she speaks in a "compassionate" vein about suffering people, she sounds rote and memorized, sort of dutifully hammering it out.

I find myself feeling increasingly sorry for her family.

He said the same sentence about 5 times within a minute or two. And he's terrible in his performance/delivery.

It's so far from the same thing you'd think whoever is floating that would understand that it is only going to make them look like an idiot.

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Hillary has all kinds of psyops going on. The kitchen sink strategy is in progress. Nothing she does surprises me.

All I can say is: it is worthy of a Third Way candidate.

I saw several missed opportunities.

When they were talking about limits to Big Government, Bernie mumbled something about favoring efficient government.

I was thinking "Bernie. Point out your record in Burlington, where even Republicans admitted that you cut the budget, while offering a high level of services."

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why won't Bernie change his message? Why won't he just shut up? Why won't he just drop out?

Hillary's is Vote for Me because I'm ME & I will 'get things done.' (Just not what you want, that would be unrealistic.)

Not exactly inspiring.

which to me, was a pretty wishy washy message.

Bernie wants everyone to have healthcare as a right, access to higher education (in which cost is not a barrier), a liveable /minimum wage, and to get our infrastructure repaired (provide jobs doing it) and invest in our communities.

Staying on message is so damn boring. Oligarchy this and right to healthcare that! Nobody wants to hear about that tired stuff again!

He was repetitive and unresponsive.

Stump speech, yadda, yadda, yadda...

...and it failed. Then they briefly compared him to Cruz...and it failed. Now they're comparing him to Rubio...it will also fail. It's insulting and foolish, especially when you look at his history of being on the right side of issues and his consideration for the consequences of our actions in the world.

Well, by such a standard, Trump is wonderful.

Didn't get traction the last time bscause it doesn't really have any teeth. Won't this time either. The rich entrenched establishment pigs are desperate to keep the feeding frenzy going at the trough.

Bernie is the first real threat to that in decades.

Fuck 'em.

Feel the Bern neoliberal scum.

Bernie's Internet army is on it!

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