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Related: About this forumRomney: "I Said Something That’s Just Completely Wrong’
DUh.....yes my friend....you have been doing so over and over and over again....!But let's just stick to those completely wrong things you stated in just a small portion of the debate.......
Romney Tells 27 Lies in 38 Minutes
Courtesy Think Progress.org
(the debunk of each of the 27 lies is shown after each numbered quote at this link
http://www.loscerritosnews.net/2012/10/04/romney-tells-27-lies-in-38-minutes/ )
Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romneys strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obamas policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
1) [G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs
2) I dont have a $5 trillion tax cut. I dont have a tax cut of a scale that youre talking about.
3) My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But Im not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.
4) My my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.
5) I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say its completely wrong.
6) I saw a study that came out today that said youre going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.
7) And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of Americas workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate .97 percent of the businesses are not not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, theyre taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half half of all the people who work in small business.
8) Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.
9) The presidents put it in place as much public debt almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.
10) Thats why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I dont want to kill jobs in this environment.
11) What we do have right now is a setting where Id like to bring money from overseas back to this country.
12) I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, youre going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then youre going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best.
13) I want to take that $716 billion youve cut and put it back into Medicare . But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake.
14) What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.
15) Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose and theyll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.
16) And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or or Senator Wyden, whos the co-author of the bill with with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill
17) Well, I would repeal and replace it. Were not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.
18) But I wouldnt designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. Thats one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank We need to get rid of that provision because its killing regional and small banks. Theyre getting hurt.
19) And, unfortunately, when when when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So its adding to cost.
20) It puts in place an unelected board thats going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I dont like that idea.
21) Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.
22) I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts What were some differences? We didnt raise taxes.
23) Its why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.
24) Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.
25) In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but thats about 50 years worth of what oil and gas receives.
26) I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.
27) If the presidents reelected youll see dramatic cuts to our military.
But hey...he WON the debate!
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Romney: "I Said Something That’s Just Completely Wrong’ (Original Post)
FrenchieCat
Oct 2012
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(297,692 posts)1. Romney said it when he didn't know he was being taped..
and now that he's gotten busted he's trying to lie his way out of it.
Fuck off mitt you lying b****
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)2. It doesn't say a lot about the United States of America
when somebody like Romney can go in front of millions of people and shit all over the truth and then be declared victorious by a swooning media.
This is why much of the world laughs at our media.
It's just sad and pathetic.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)3. Indeed!
How would any foreign leader even believe this guy?
I can certainly see us getting into a war with this fool at the wheel, for sure!
smorkingapple
(827 posts)4. Maybe this is why Obama didnt tap 47% tape in debate
It would have given Romney an opportunity to use this bullshit and have 70 million people see it. That might have been a very wise move.