They never listen to me they do the opposite
I said Hillary wants you to focus on John lewis and the Rappaport photo. So they do exactly what she wants, oh my god, this is so amusing
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Lord. Look at this. Um um um. Smh

Hillary. Smh

Until then it was Bruce Rappaport

Until then, I'll believe the photographer who actually took the picture over some anonymous Clinton ratfuckers and life partner of a Clinton campaign staffer they enlisted to unleash this craven smear on Sanders' integrity.

their caption on this photo, especially when time quoted her as saying she could not be sure it was not Sanders?

What motivated Time Magazine to devote over 1,000 words to this non-issue without so much as even attempting to contact the photographer?

What motivated the life partner of a Clinton campaign staffer to highlight this non-story in the WaPo, then appear all over cable news promoting it?

What motivated all the cable news stations to run with this non-story without so much as even attempting to contact the photographer?

I will give you 4 guesses.

So why then would she go to the trouble to contact the University of Chicago archivist of the photo to "correct" its caption?

What made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?

Who told Sam Frizell, Time Magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this non-story?

What induced the WaPo's Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to then pick up this non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity?

Why did the corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?

And that people are bashing John Lewis instead of working on voter outreach? I do. This is a bit amusing.

Is Lewis immune from criticism because he's black?

duhn-duhn duhn-duhn-duhn.....

Too funny.

That other thread has 236 recs right now.

I figured that out in about 30 seconds - maybe because I actually read Capehart's piece.

You figured wrongly.

about photos outside little forums like this. It's about gaining the support of Blacks. And fighting over this is like chewing off Bernie's tail by mistake.

Any newspaper with an ounce of integrity would fire him for this coordinated ratfucking stunt.

ABOUT BERNIE? You know, trying to attract more support?

Fuck her for thinking she could get away with this cravenness and fuck the corporate media for eagerly participating in this ratfuckery.

-- ABOUT BERNIE? You know, trying to attract more support?

He even references and names the female photographer kneeling in front of the standing Bernie Sanders.

The Sitting photo is contemporaneous to the standing one and shows the exact same clothing, so it was used to support the recollection of the photographer.

How do you manage to feed yourself with the level of analytic ability displayed in this OP?

Capehart just said it on MSNBC Andrea Mitchell

The photographer is 100 percent sure that is Bernie Sanders addressing the group.

The ex-wife of Mr. Rappaport is 100 percent sure it is her ex- husband.

He just said it, sooooo I dont know either way (frankly doesnt matter to me)

it seems there is some confusion about this on both sides

Interesting. perhaps this medium will produce a better outcome.

How about you?

There are other photos of sit in's of Bernie at the school. There is no doubt Bernie was there. One thing we do know, Hillary Clinton was NOT there, she was a republican.

The photographer is referring to a different photo than the Bruce Rappaport one.

He also released a bunch of other photos from that period

supporters and the campaign are using.

Both blog posts are by the photographer.

#1 The original contested photo.

BERNIE SANDERS LEADS 1963 SIT-IN
Posted by dektol on January 30, 2016
In 1962 and the spring of 1963 I was the student photographer at the University of Chicago, making pictures for the yearbook, the Alumni Magazine and the student paper, The Maroon. By the summer of 1962 I had taken my camera into the deep South, and become the first photographer for SNCC.



That winter at the University of Chicago, there was a sit-in inside the administration building protesting discrimination against blacks in university owned housing. I went to it with a CORE activist and friend. The sit in was in a crowded hallway, blocking the entrance to the office of Dr. George Beadle, the chancellor.



I took the photograph of Bernie Sanders speaking to his fellow CORE members at that sit-in. Bob McNamara, a close friend and CORE activist, is in the very corner next to me in the picture. Across the room from me is another campus photographer named Wexler, who taught me how to develop film. I photographed Bernie a second time after he got a haircut, as he appeared next to the noble laureate and chancellor Dr. George Beadle. Time Magazine is now claiming it is not Bernie in the picture but someone else. It is Bernie, and it is proof of his very early dedication to justice for African Americans. The CORE sit-in that Bernie helped lead was the first civil rights sit-in to take place in the North.

https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/

MORE BERNIE CIVIL RIGHTS PHOTOS FOUND!
Posted by dektol on February 11, 2016

The slander that Bernie was not a very early leader for African American civil rights got so outrageous that persons went into the archives of the University of Chicago and changed captions on Danny Lyon’s 1962 photos, claiming it was Bruce Rappaport standing in Bernie’s clothing leading the demonstration in the Ad Building. These newly discovered pictures, including close up photographs of the student activists show us exactly what Bernie was and what he remains.



Here at the University of Chicago, in the winter of 1962, students led by Bernie Sanders and others have occupied the hallway of the Administration Building, spending the night inside. The Chancellor cannot get into or leave his office. Bernie is leading a protest against the discrimination practiced by the University of Chicago against African Americans in it’s extensive housing. This protest for equal rights for African Americans is the first sit-in to be held in the north as part of the great 1960’s civil rights movement. Bernie is the real deal. And voters, all voters know it. Feel the Bern.

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The one above, or the one they showed on MSNBC last night of a man "standing" up with others sitting around him? The one above is really, but the one they were talking about last night was not of Bernie, but another man, which has been proven numerous times.

They just had Jonathan Capehart on and showed the photo of Bernie standing in the group of people sitting down.

They also played the part with John Lewis saying he never met Bernie, but did meet the Clintons.

This stinks to high heaven...

This is grotesque. Why in the ever-loving hell should national news media even be discussing a bunch of Clinton surrogates claiming that a photo that was always probably Sanders, at an event we know Sanders was participating in, might not necessarily be Sanders?

It's swiftboating -- trying to turn something Sanders has over Clinton (like a real civil rights record) against him -- but even for that it's done amateurishly. It's a crap copy of a crap Republican neocon tactic.

I hope they choke on it.

be het up about, as Bernie had clearly been there, whether he happened to have been photographed or not. It's ludicrous, and obvious swiftboating, that the media is "concerned" about it.

Capeheart really showed his backside throwing in that it's now a "meme" that Sanders "doesn't talk about being Jewish enough."

Because how much someone else talks about how Jewish they are is something a WaPo columnist should be commenting about on national television.

Guy makes my skin crawl.

I think the photog would know.

I have taken thousands of pictures, some of well known figures, (can we say Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner?). Trust me, you note who you took that photo off, at times by frame.

I keep them by date mostly and event.

I was chuckling

And Tom took a photo of John Lewis.

He is a very famous photographer. I can't believe everyone just calls him the photographer.

from Wiki:

Danny Lyon (born March 16, 1942)[1] is an American photographer[2] and filmmaker.[3]

All of Lyon's publications work in the style of photographic New Journalism, meaning that the photographer has become immersed, and is a participant, of the documented subject. He is the founding member of the publishing group Bleak Beauty.

After being accepted as the photographer for Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), Lyon was present at almost all of the major historical events during the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–68).[4]

He has had solo exhibits at the Whitney Museum of American Art, the Art Institute of Chicago, the Menil Collection, the M. H. de Young Memorial Museum in San Francisco and the Center for Creative Photography at the University of Arizona. Lyon twice received a Guggenheim Fellowship; a Rockefeller Fellowship, Missouri Honor Medal for Distinguished Service in Journalism;[5] and a Lucie Award.[6]

press photogs, whether they are working for a small paper, or are world famous, tend to note those things... like who the fuck is in the photo. That was my point.

So if the photographer says. yup, that is Bernie Sanders and I took those photos, that is good enough for me.

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:49 PM - Edit history (2)

The upper photo in your post is an additional photo from the same event. The photographer says both pictures are of Sanders.

ETA: Oh lovely. You took out the top photo, and made it appear that you never claimed there were two different photos.

dressed exactly the same, down to the sweater, white shirt, hair length/style, watch, glasses... what am I missing?

He does not have a white shirt on underneath his sweater.

Dont you think it more likely Rappaport put on a sweater and that is why you see a white shirt on the man in question standing in the questioned picture?

Check sleeves

Here, chew on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511212868

It is amdifferent event. And no one says that pic you just linked to is not Bernie.

the b&w pic in eppur_se_muova's post is Bernie? If you do, note the collar.

Carry on.

Truth is overrated.

This is just silliness

one of the most esteemed photographers of the era who took the photos say they are wrong.

They also said Bernie was there so I don't know why this is an issue.

a Clinton campaign staffer conspired to ratfuck him.

What’s at issue is Clinton's ratfuckers' craven use of a photograph to tarnish Sanders' integrity. For a candidate who garnered just 8 percent of New Hampshire Democratic voters who said the most important trait for a candidate was that he or she be “honest,” the least Clinton and her campaign could do is come clean about how they disgustingly used some unnamed "University of Chicago alumni" and the life partner of Clinton campaign staffer to swiftboat a civil rights hero.

And, btw, Bernie is now a "civil rights hero?" No, he's not.

John Lewis is a civil rights hero. Rosa Parks was a civil rights hero. Thurgood Marshall was a civil rights hero. John Siegenthaler was a civil rights hero. Fannie Lou Hamer was a civil rights hero.

Bernie Sanders was one of thousands and thousands of people who supported and worked in the civil rights movement during college in the 1960s, for which he is due much praise.

But Bernie Sanders is NOT a civil rights hero.

Please stop.

My guess is that you can too, but perhaps you have become too inured.

What’s at issue is Clinton's ratfuckers' craven use of a photograph to tarnish Sanders' integrity. For a candidate who garnered just 8 percent of New Hampshire Democratic voters who said the most important trait for a candidate was that he or she be “honest,” the least Clinton and her campaign could do is come clean about how they disgustingly used some unnamed "University of Chicago alumni" and the life partner of Clinton campaign staffer to swiftboat a civil rights hero.

The photographer says its Sanders.

He'd know better than the university.

And, right now, the photographer is not very happy with the lies.

I don't think that is true.

Right over your head.

We ARE talking about the second photo. The one of him standing up and addressing the crowd.

The top photo was offered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO TOOK BOTH OF THE PICTURES ON THE SAME DAY as further proof that it is, indeed, Bernie Sanders.

https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/bernie-sanders-leads-1963-sit-in/ <-- First set of photos showing Sanders standing.

https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/ <-- Second set posted by the photographer to prove that the first set is Sanders.

Now, kindly delete your inaccurate OP.

I remember back in the good ole days, both required an actual lie, with an actual intent to harm, and actual knowledge that the utterance was false.

Strange days.

and I've edited my OP accordingly.

But my other point still stands. This is NOT slander or libel - at best, it's an honest disagreement about who is in this photo. The photographer says it is Sanders. But the University of Chicago, Rappaport's friends and Rappaport's widow say it is Rappaport and Sanders' campaign now refuses to confirm that it is indeed Sanders.

Jonathan Capehart has NOT slandered or libeled anyone. In fact, he went out of his way to praise Sanders' work in the civil rights movement.

Not embarrassing for me at all. What IS embarrassing is the way Sanders supporters attack anyone who has the temerity to question Sanders, as Capehart has done, regardless how mild or respectfully it is done.

As I said, "Photogate" is a crock.

Capehart's libel occurred when he continued, on Twitter, after being shown the evidence not to know the photographer had come out with further proof.

There's a contact page on Lyons' website. How hard would it have been for Capehart to contact Lyons and ask? Not hard at all.

Choosing NOT to undo your inaccuracy is, indeed, libel.

In fact, the claim was that Capehart slandered Sanders, not the photographer . . .

Its completely understandable even if they're wrong. I'd want my friend and or dead spouse to be that kind of person too.

That the University of Chicago has Mis-labelled them also doesn't surprise me - I'm not sure they have the same level of concern that the persons are "correct" as pride in the fact they hosted the first northern sit-in. Besides, there's many who say that assignation was changed just last year. That before that, it was labelled as Sanders.

Lastly, Capehart says he's a journalist. He's doubling down in the face of his error. I'm not impressed.

I've found that pointing out facts for HRC supporters is often spun as an attack. That is embarrassing imo

family and friends to claim this in order to prove he was "that kind of person, too."

There's no question that both Sanders and Rappaport were there and involved in this movement. The only issue is whether that particular photograph depicts Sanders or Rappaport.

Not a conspiracy, not a slander, not a libel.

especially in the area of civil rights

Besides it does appear Rappaport was that kind of guy and he was there hence the confusion. I have family members I never got to meet because they died before I was born if someone gave me even fake pictures of them I would be pretty happy if they at all resembled the actual real, but not very clear pictures I do have.

Bernie:


If you compare the top photo with the bottom and look on the ground on the right you'll see Bernie

Rappaport Speaking:
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I read it the first time you posted it - and I commented on it. In case you missed my response, I'll cut and paste it for you:

Of course - and you know this, how?

And, btw, Bernie is now a "civil rights hero?" No, he's not.

John Lewis is a civil rights hero. Rosa Parks was a civil rights hero. Thurgood Marshall was a civil rights hero. John Siegenthaler was a civil rights hero. Fannie Lou Hamer was a civil rights hero.

Bernie Sanders was one of thousands and thousands of people who supported and worked in the civil rights movement during college in the 1960s, for which he is due much praise.

But Bernie Sanders is NOT a civil rights hero.

Please stop.

He has two different posts about his Sanders photographs. Here he talks about taking the photo of Sanders speaking at the sit-in.

Please delete your OP. It is incorrect. It is one thing to advocate for your candidate, another to spread falsehoods.

"That winter at the University of Chicago, there was a sit-in inside the administration building protesting discrimination against blacks in university owned housing. I went to it with a CORE activist and friend. The sit in was in a crowded hallway, blocking the entrance to the office of Dr. George Beadle, the chancellor.

"I took the photograph of Bernie Sanders speaking to his fellow CORE members at that sit-in. Bob McNamara, a close friend and CORE activist, is in the very corner next to me in the picture. Across the room from me is another campus photographer named Wexler, who taught me how to develop film.

"I photographed Bernie a second time after he got a haircut, as he appeared next to the noble laureate and chancellor Dr. George Beadle. Time Magazine is now claiming it is not Bernie in the picture but someone else. It is Bernie, and it is proof of his very early dedication to justice for African Americans. The CORE sit-in that Bernie helped lead was the first civil rights sit-in to take place in the North."

Here -

http://www.phaidon.com/agenda/photography/articles/2016/february/02/when-danny-lyon-met-bernie-sanders/

READ what is written by the photographer under the picture.

The photographer swooped into to reveal the truth--that YES, that is SANDERS standing up and talking in the photo!

Everything else is noise.

You are falsely claiming he didn't.

Don't even try.

Self delete or you have made it clear that you are pushing a lie.

I will not let you get away with this. Fucking no way.

"I photographed Bernie a second time after he got a haircut, as he appeared next to the noble laureate and chancellor Dr. George Beadle. Time Magazine is now claiming it is not Bernie in the picture but someone else. It is Bernie, and it is proof of his very early dedication to justice for African Americans. The CORE sit-in that Bernie helped lead was the first civil rights sit-in to take place in the North."

<snip>
http://www.phaidon.com/agenda/photography/articles/2016/february/02/when-danny-lyon-met-bernie-sanders/

It's obvious. Same clothes, hair, glasses, etc. In the one of him standing up, he's using the very characteristic Sanders hand position & gestures that he still uses today. The photographer says both photos are Sanders.

Please, just stop being obtuse. It IS stupid.

Yes, that is Bernie in the photo.

No doubt he's just promoting his book:

Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement
"In the summer of 1962, Danny Lyon packed a Nikon Reflex and an old Leica in an army bag and hitchhiked south. Within a week he was in jail in Albany, Georgia, looking through the bars at another prisoner, Martin Luther King, Jr. Lyon soon became the first staff photographer for the Atlanta-based Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), which already had a reputation as one of the most committed and confrontational groups fighting for civil rights."

We don't even know if John Lewis remembers him.

link to book "Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement "
https://twinpalms.com/books-artists/memories-of-the-southern-civil-rights-movement/

“This young white New Yorker came South with a camera and a keen eye for history. And he used these simple, elegant gifts to capture the story of one of the most inspiring periods in America’s twentieth century.” — John Lewis, US congressman

that he didn't remember Bernie.

It is a known fact that Bernie Sanders was an activist in the 60's. We know that he was arrested for his activism, you can find a posted copy of the article on the comment of that poster you are criticizing here. So what is the point of your comment? Are you saying that the photographer got it wrong, and that everybody that is looking at the ad posted by the Sanders campaign are somehow duped? What is the purpose of this comment and this controversy? Could Capehart and WaPo be supporting Hillary Clinton? I wonder...

Bush the deserter vs John Kerry the combat veteran became John Kerry the liar and Bush the Fighter Jock.

is brilliant, experienced, ready to assume the office of the presidency etc and without a doubt going to be the nominee. If all that is true, why does her campaign continue to stoop to such low depths and why does she continue to throw low blows in campaign debates? Why does she appear to be so desperate? Am I missing something?

Capehart, who lives with and in in love with a rich Clinton campaign staffer, is trying to use the fact that the Clinton campaign paid some Clinton supporters to question the veracity of a photo the Sanders campaign was distrubuting to impugn Sanders' integrity.

that the op claims is one that he didn't. He says flat out that it is Bernie.

Gee, nurse jackie supporting swiftboating? Couldn't be.