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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:34 PM Feb 2016

Was Bernie untruthful when he said he voted against Ted Kennedy's immigration bill because

some organizations called it "slavery"? Or is that just a convenient excuse or an evolving viewpoint?

Let's review....

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders outlined his immigration reform plan Thursday, saying he would support comprehensive immigration reform and go further than President Barack Obama to protect undocumented immigrants already in the United States. But when it comes to allowing new immigrants into the country, Sanders reiterated his position that opening the border would hurt employment and wages.

“I see two issues. I see the absolute need to provide legal status and protection to the undocumented people who are in this country now — some 11 million people,” the independent senator from Vermont said during a Q&A with the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Thursday.

“But here’s where I do have concerns,” he continued. “There is a reason why Wall Street and all of corporate America likes immigration reform, and it is not, in my view, that they’re staying up nights worrying about undocumented workers in this country. What I think they are interested in is seeing a process by which we can bring low-wage labor of all levels into this country to depress wages for Americans, and I strongly disagree with that.”

Sanders’ position on immigration has been called “complicated” and he has been criticized by immigration activists for supporting the idea that immigrants coming to the U.S. are taking jobs and hurting the economy, a theory that has been proven incorrect. Both of his leading Democratic challengers, Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley, have recognized that new immigrants coming to the country actually boost the economy. But Sanders continues to align himself more closely with Democratic positions of the past.

“I frankly do not believe that we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled to workers to compete with [unemployed] kids,” Sanders said. “I want to see these kids get jobs.”


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/
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Was Bernie untruthful when he said he voted against Ted Kennedy's immigration bill because (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2016 OP
That vote was a devastating blow to so many immigrants. I can tell you how many Latinos I saw crying lunamagica Feb 2016 #1
SPLCENTER : Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #2
I think that is revisionist history for Bernie and not his reason. boston bean Feb 2016 #3
Are you saying guest workers being abused and mistreated,abused, and other heinous acts are not real Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #4
I'm saying what I said. boston bean Feb 2016 #5
that is your opinion Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #7
Right it is my educated opinion Bernie boston bean Feb 2016 #8
again that is your opinion Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #12
See the OP and post 8. boston bean Feb 2016 #14
This is about a temporary program withouth a path to citizenship. Sanders voted lunamagica Feb 2016 #16
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (from LULAC's website) lunamagica Feb 2016 #17
It had a path to citizenship. That would have ended the abuse. Keeping unocumented workers in the lunamagica Feb 2016 #11
So the unions, Hispanic organizations, and Human Rights group were wrong ? Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #13
I don't know which groups were these, but if they were against people coming out of the shadows, lunamagica Feb 2016 #15
He fought to stop an up or down vote for a pathway to citizenship. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #6
It is a pattern. All one has to do is actually listen to what he has said. boston bean Feb 2016 #9
Comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship. This says it all. Of course he was lunamagica Feb 2016 #10
Where's the problem? Prism Feb 2016 #18

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
1. That vote was a devastating blow to so many immigrants. I can tell you how many Latinos I saw crying
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

over this...and the damage ever since. Families torn apart, living in fear, so much hurt.

It's absurd to give so much importance to a statement from Hillary (on Central American Childen), when this, and the Minutmen VOTES did so much real damage.

When it was time to put you money when your mouth is it was Hillary who delivered, by voting YES on comprehensive immigration reform.

Many here thunk the Minutemen project was a minor thing...Not for the Latino comunity. It was a hot topic, night after night on the Univision and Telemundo nightly news.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
3. I think that is revisionist history for Bernie and not his reason.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

I think we need to listen to what he said when he didn't think it was an issue.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
4. Are you saying guest workers being abused and mistreated,abused, and other heinous acts are not real
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

or are you saying The Southern Poverty Center is lying ?

If labor unions, human rights groups, and Hispanic orgs said it was bad why should he voted for the bill ?

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
8. Right it is my educated opinion Bernie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

Was untruthful in last nights debate in regards to the reasons for his no vote on immigration.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
16. This is about a temporary program withouth a path to citizenship. Sanders voted
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

against comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
17. Comprehensive Immigration Reform (from LULAC's website)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

By Director of Policy and Legislation Gabriela Lemus, Ph.D.

In the tri-state area of Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, DC "El Comercio" the weekly Spanish language newspaper headlined its front cover with the statement, "gan-la tolerancia" (tolerance won.) The heated anti-immigrant campaign for governor run by Republican candidate Jerry Kilgore was defeated by Democrat Tim Kaine's more moderate and conciliatory attitude. But, what was this an instance of? Was it merely partisan politics or is there more on the table than meets the eye? Why did Jerry Kilgore run a campaign targeting the undocumented - the weakest and most vulnerable of Virginia-state residents?

The issue of immigration has always prompted contentious attitudes. Since our nation's inception xenophobic attitudes have cyclically risen and abated depending in large part on the state of the economy, the ability of the newest-arrived immigrant community to integrate itself, demographic growth and general fear of "outsiders." However, this latest Virginia gubernatorial election presented a contest of attitudes towards the role that immigrants play in our society.

In 2005, there were more than 500 pieces of legislation related to immigrants presented in state legislatures across the country. The legislation ranged from using local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law, to denying driver's licenses to the undocumented, to more favorable legislation allowing undocumented young people to attend university while paying in-state tuition. Immigration is being discussed in a wide array of institutions: from the National League of Cities and the National Conference of State Legislators to the Rotary Club and other local community forums.

At the national level, there are several overarching bills in the Senate including the McCain-Kennedy bill; the Cornyn-Kyl bill; and the Hagel bill, among others. There are also specialty bills such as the DREAM Act and AgJobs - both target specific sectors of the immigrant community, college-aged students and farm workers. In the past few months, Congress has also witnessed a rash of enforcement or border security bills that focus only on increasing the presence of law enforcement on the Southern border of the United States and the use of local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.

Given the current state of the U.S. economy, its national security interests and the slow growth of its future work force, it is imperative that Congress take up comprehensive immigration reform. The bill sponsored by Senators, McCain Kennedy and Brownback - the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005 - though not perfect, comes closest to the need of satisfactorily addressing these concerns. It provides a realistic approach to national security. It addresses the need for realistic reform with regards to the undocumented already in the United States. It protects workers and pay-rates, while reuniting families and restoring healthy migration patterns, and ensuring a timely, transparent and secure process for future flows.

http://lulac.org/advocacy/issues/immigration_comprehesive_reform/

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
11. It had a path to citizenship. That would have ended the abuse. Keeping unocumented workers in the
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

is what brings abuse, mistreatment and other heinous acts

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
15. I don't know which groups were these, but if they were against people coming out of the shadows,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

gaining status and equal rights, not having to hide anymore, not having families separated by deportation, working and earning equal pay...yes, anyone who was against that was wrong.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. He fought to stop an up or down vote for a pathway to citizenship.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

Many of his comments from them were disturbing. He stood in opposition to Kennedy, Obama, Biden, Boxer, Clinton, etc.

It is direct proof he is economics or bust. He will put the economics of a few above human rights. That was clear as could be.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
10. Comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship. This says it all. Of course he was
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

untruthful. Once people are out of he shadows and become citizens, they have equal rights. How can that be slavery?

Now, voting against Comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship, that keeps people in the shadows, afraid, and without any rights? That is what leads to slavery.

It was not a convenient excuse. It was a ridiculous one.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
18. Where's the problem?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

Protections for the immigrants already here. But ensuring corporations don't have free access to low-wage immigration to displace American workers. That's what the H1B1 debate is all about.

And, it's an issue in the Republican party too.

It's an issue where corporate interests override American worker interests. Corporations wants tons of low-wage workers. Look at Disney, where they displaced long-term workers in favor of immigrants.

It's a problem. Sanders wants to protect people where while ensuring unregulated immigration doesn't affect American labor.

Oh, that fiend!

How dare he!

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