2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWas Bernie untruthful when he said he voted against Ted Kennedy's immigration bill because
some organizations called it "slavery"? Or is that just a convenient excuse or an evolving viewpoint?
Let's review....
I see two issues. I see the absolute need to provide legal status and protection to the undocumented people who are in this country now some 11 million people, the independent senator from Vermont said during a Q&A with the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Thursday.
But heres where I do have concerns, he continued. There is a reason why Wall Street and all of corporate America likes immigration reform, and it is not, in my view, that theyre staying up nights worrying about undocumented workers in this country. What I think they are interested in is seeing a process by which we can bring low-wage labor of all levels into this country to depress wages for Americans, and I strongly disagree with that.
Sanders position on immigration has been called complicated and he has been criticized by immigration activists for supporting the idea that immigrants coming to the U.S. are taking jobs and hurting the economy, a theory that has been proven incorrect. Both of his leading Democratic challengers, Hillary Clinton and Martin OMalley, have recognized that new immigrants coming to the country actually boost the economy. But Sanders continues to align himself more closely with Democratic positions of the past.
I frankly do not believe that we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled to workers to compete with [unemployed] kids, Sanders said. I want to see these kids get jobs.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)over this...and the damage ever since. Families torn apart, living in fear, so much hurt.
It's absurd to give so much importance to a statement from Hillary (on Central American Childen), when this, and the Minutmen VOTES did so much real damage.
When it was time to put you money when your mouth is it was Hillary who delivered, by voting YES on comprehensive immigration reform.
Many here thunk the Minutemen project was a minor thing...Not for the Latino comunity. It was a hot topic, night after night on the Univision and Telemundo nightly news.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)I think we need to listen to what he said when he didn't think it was an issue.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)or are you saying The Southern Poverty Center is lying ?
If labor unions, human rights groups, and Hispanic orgs said it was bad why should he voted for the bill ?
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)Was untruthful in last nights debate in regards to the reasons for his no vote on immigration.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)against comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)By Director of Policy and Legislation Gabriela Lemus, Ph.D.
In the tri-state area of Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, DC "El Comercio" the weekly Spanish language newspaper headlined its front cover with the statement, "gan-la tolerancia" (tolerance won.) The heated anti-immigrant campaign for governor run by Republican candidate Jerry Kilgore was defeated by Democrat Tim Kaine's more moderate and conciliatory attitude. But, what was this an instance of? Was it merely partisan politics or is there more on the table than meets the eye? Why did Jerry Kilgore run a campaign targeting the undocumented - the weakest and most vulnerable of Virginia-state residents?
The issue of immigration has always prompted contentious attitudes. Since our nation's inception xenophobic attitudes have cyclically risen and abated depending in large part on the state of the economy, the ability of the newest-arrived immigrant community to integrate itself, demographic growth and general fear of "outsiders." However, this latest Virginia gubernatorial election presented a contest of attitudes towards the role that immigrants play in our society.
In 2005, there were more than 500 pieces of legislation related to immigrants presented in state legislatures across the country. The legislation ranged from using local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law, to denying driver's licenses to the undocumented, to more favorable legislation allowing undocumented young people to attend university while paying in-state tuition. Immigration is being discussed in a wide array of institutions: from the National League of Cities and the National Conference of State Legislators to the Rotary Club and other local community forums.
At the national level, there are several overarching bills in the Senate including the McCain-Kennedy bill; the Cornyn-Kyl bill; and the Hagel bill, among others. There are also specialty bills such as the DREAM Act and AgJobs - both target specific sectors of the immigrant community, college-aged students and farm workers. In the past few months, Congress has also witnessed a rash of enforcement or border security bills that focus only on increasing the presence of law enforcement on the Southern border of the United States and the use of local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.
Given the current state of the U.S. economy, its national security interests and the slow growth of its future work force, it is imperative that Congress take up comprehensive immigration reform. The bill sponsored by Senators, McCain Kennedy and Brownback - the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005 - though not perfect, comes closest to the need of satisfactorily addressing these concerns. It provides a realistic approach to national security. It addresses the need for realistic reform with regards to the undocumented already in the United States. It protects workers and pay-rates, while reuniting families and restoring healthy migration patterns, and ensuring a timely, transparent and secure process for future flows.
http://lulac.org/advocacy/issues/immigration_comprehesive_reform/
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)is what brings abuse, mistreatment and other heinous acts
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)that all I'm asking
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)gaining status and equal rights, not having to hide anymore, not having families separated by deportation, working and earning equal pay...yes, anyone who was against that was wrong.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Many of his comments from them were disturbing. He stood in opposition to Kennedy, Obama, Biden, Boxer, Clinton, etc.
It is direct proof he is economics or bust. He will put the economics of a few above human rights. That was clear as could be.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)untruthful. Once people are out of he shadows and become citizens, they have equal rights. How can that be slavery?
Now, voting against Comprehensive immigration reform WITH a path to citizenship, that keeps people in the shadows, afraid, and without any rights? That is what leads to slavery.
It was not a convenient excuse. It was a ridiculous one.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Protections for the immigrants already here. But ensuring corporations don't have free access to low-wage immigration to displace American workers. That's what the H1B1 debate is all about.
And, it's an issue in the Republican party too.
It's an issue where corporate interests override American worker interests. Corporations wants tons of low-wage workers. Look at Disney, where they displaced long-term workers in favor of immigrants.
It's a problem. Sanders wants to protect people where while ensuring unregulated immigration doesn't affect American labor.
Oh, that fiend!
How dare he!