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(86,005 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:51 PM Feb 2016

A Bernie Sanders supporter asked Hillary Clinton a question—here’s what he thought of her response



Hillary Clinton threw down the gauntlet before a room packed full of students - and Jack Lovell picked it up.

The former secretary of state told the 405 students who crowded inside the hall at the New England College in Henniker, that she understood many young people were supporting her rival, Senator Bernie Sanders. She said she wanted to answer questions not just from her supporters, but from those opposed to her.

Mr Lovell, a 17-year-old student from New York and a supporter of Mr Sanders jumped to his feet seized the chance to ask the first question: after all the controversy over Benghazi and her use of a private email server, just why should people - especially young idealistic people - trust her?

“It’s a really fair question,” said Ms Clinton, saying that she had been the subject of smears and attacks from Republicans and others.

“I have been in public life for a number of years. I’ve been trying to stand up for those without a voice. I know about the forces that oppose me. But I’m still standing and they are still trying to bring me down.”

“I know there are a lot of remaining questions that are being asked of those of us asking for your vote,” said Ms Clinton, 68. “I know that a lot of yr colleagues are supporting my opponent. I want you to know that even if you don’t support me, I will support you.”

Ms Clinton spoke for more than an hour-and-a-half, during which time she covered everything from the economy to LGBT rights, America’s armed forces and what she termed the “offensive” language with which a number of Republicans had referred to Muslims and immigrants

She said she understood that many people were angry and frustrated. But she said America did not need more vitriol.

“Anger is a powerful emotion,” she said. “But it is not a plan.”

read: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-makes-emotional-appeal-for-student-support-a6858801.html


He came to the event because he wanted to see a different side of Hillary—and that’s exactly what happened.



He summed up what he had seen, and how it changed his opinion of Hillary:

“Originally,” Jack says, “I thought she was a regular politician who was going to talk about herself and diffuse every question.”






Watch Jack’s conversation with Hillary:




https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/bernie-sanders-supporter-asked-hillary-clinton-questionheres-what-he-thought-her-response/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=tw&utm_campaign=20160212feed_townhall
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A Bernie Sanders supporter asked Hillary Clinton a question—here’s what he thought of her response (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
Planting stooges now, not just questions? n/t brewens Feb 2016 #1
ugh bigtree Feb 2016 #2
No. That's the ploy of the establishment. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #5
I like to keep this handy. You know, for close encounters! =) Shandris Feb 2016 #11
I just did a google search on him to see if he is real Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #4
Is he the first Hillarybro? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #8
You mean, to this article? moriah Feb 2016 #10
The end of the story he said Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #13
It seems like that was supposed to be a compliment? moriah Feb 2016 #16
But, but he had a Sanders button on. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #12
Oh for christ's sake. Its plausible that someone could change their mind. cyberswede Feb 2016 #17
HE STILL SUPPORTS SANDERS... Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #20
Well, she seemed to actually be addressing potential "Bern-outs".... moriah Feb 2016 #23
That's our gal, bigtree! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #3
Once people truly start to "Listen" Sheepshank Feb 2016 #6
would you vote for Bernie? 6chars Feb 2016 #26
There is another DU poster here that has a fly or some other kind of bug on all his/her posts. asjr Feb 2016 #28
Voting for the first time in 1992, my generation was so much cooler Reter Feb 2016 #7
What Hillary says is actually really good, really clever, with the potential to be very effective. kennetha Feb 2016 #9
I am heartily sick and tired of hearing how women aren't supposed to get loud. moriah Feb 2016 #14
It's not a matter of gender. It's pure stage craft. Would be the same for male or female. kennetha Feb 2016 #15
Just know hearing a guy try to mansplain to me about her "getting loud" being bad when... moriah Feb 2016 #18
Bernie drives me crazy kennetha Feb 2016 #19
No need to bash him for being passionate either.... moriah Feb 2016 #21
That's good. kennetha Feb 2016 #22
Doubt the mic at the college was one of those. Heh. ;) moriah Feb 2016 #24
Looks like the meme of the Day Armstead Feb 2016 #25
IMHO, more "I saw her in person, and she's not a demon! No glowing red eyes or anything!" ;) moriah Feb 2016 #27
Nice post, Bigtree, thanks. Hortensis Feb 2016 #29

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
5. No. That's the ploy of the establishment.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

See:

Made-up "Bernie Supporters" attack John Lewis (real ones didn't and David Brock knows it)
Photo-Gate
Kissinger is Great
Wall Street is Great

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. I just did a google search on him to see if he is real
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

But I guess it doesn't show ''conservative voting youth''

No actually do a web search on him.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
10. You mean, to this article?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-makes-emotional-appeal-for-student-support-a6858801.html

At least it seems Mr. Lovell plans to vote Democratic in November now per that article, though the answer didn't make him change his primary vote.

And that's what matters to me.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. The end of the story he said
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

he said Ms Clinton would make a good second choice, far better than any of the Republicans.

But he added: “When I listen to Mr Sanders, the hairs stick up on the back of my neck.”

moriah

(8,311 posts)
16. It seems like that was supposed to be a compliment?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

I noticed that HRC's website left out he wasn't changing his primary vote. But all I care about is that everyone vote for whoever the nominee ends up being.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
17. Oh for christ's sake. Its plausible that someone could change their mind.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

Don't sell this kid short, please. It's great that he's looking for answers for himself, even if he decides to support a different candidate than I support.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
23. Well, she seemed to actually be addressing potential "Bern-outs"....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

.... they didn't say he HAD changed his primary vote. The Independent article makes it clear she merely persuaded him that she wasn't evil incarnate, that he will still vote for her over a Republican if that's what the choice is in November..

The blurb merely said that he had considered voting for the other side or staying home if his candidate lost, then that he actually heard Hillary talk and that she had many of the same values.. And he could understand why many would want to vote for her. Not that he wasn't still going to strongly advocate for his preference in the primaries.

They may have implied it by saying that he "changed his opinion of Hillary", but... yes, the art of the politician is to be able to talk like an Aes Sedai.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
6. Once people truly start to "Listen"
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's blustering, spittle flying, arms flaying, repetitive, empty memes start grating. The continued rhetoric about all the woes, without any comprehensive fixes, because so much negativity and the message starts to lose it's luster. The lack of substance and reality and workability becomes clear.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
28. There is another DU poster here that has a fly or some other kind of bug on all his/her posts.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

If you should happen to notice it, would you please let him borrow your frog?

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
7. Voting for the first time in 1992, my generation was so much cooler
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:12 PM
Feb 2016

I actually knew what was going on, and could never be swayed by an opposing candidate. I really can't stand millennials and their look.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
9. What Hillary says is actually really good, really clever, with the potential to be very effective.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

But her tone can be off. And the tone sometimes conveys a kind hyper defensiveness.

At times, she strikes just the right tone. But the end of it, she's sound much less defensive and much more surefooted. But she starts out sounding like the earnest senior class president type who is so offended that certain people are attacking her integrity, that she gets way defensive, way too loud. She needs to project a larger, more impervious and self-assured, even somewhat bemused tone, with enough hints of steely determination beneath that you come away saying, now that's one tough and smart lady.

She hit it just right on Rachel Maddow's show the other day, when she said in a much more hushed voice, like she was letting you in on a secret, that they are doing it "because they are afraid of me." She needs to strike that kind of tone much more often.

She was better in the debate yesterday on this score, by the way.

Obviously, she is not the natural at this sort of thing that her husband is. That would be hard to top.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
14. I am heartily sick and tired of hearing how women aren't supposed to get loud.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

So please, drop it with critiques of her voice and the people working sound not doing the right job. I have ran the sound board for plays, speeches, debates, etc, and the feedback wasn't her fault (and you saw how fast it vanished once the person working the board woke up, despite no change in volume or passion).

Reminds me of something from Correct the Record, but instead of showing Republicans shouting (which the CTR ad did) here's part of Bernie's post-Iowa speech. I am not saying he's screaming like Republicans, but he speaks with a range of volumes, which is appropriate given human beings have a range of emotions.



Start at about 9m15s.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
15. It's not a matter of gender. It's pure stage craft. Would be the same for male or female.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

It's a matter of talking one on one to a young student, like you are talking into a bullhorn at a rally. And it's a matter of not seeming to feel comfortable in her skin. She starts out, talking to the crowd, not showing any signs of humor, like she is not really addressing this particular person in a conversational tone. But the end she is in a much more relaxed frame, much more conversational, and has lightened it up a bit.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
18. Just know hearing a guy try to mansplain to me about her "getting loud" being bad when...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

... if you want me to, I can surely find videos of Bernie speaking passionately in Q&As too... isn't how to make friends with or influence me. (I deliberately chose Iowa over New Hampshire for a speech I remembered to have a wide range of volumes, because he won NH outright and being excited about that wouldn't be fair to use for comparison.)

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
19. Bernie drives me crazy
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

He is completely unmodulated. He always sound hectoring and preachy, and way too loud, even when talking one on one. He's terrible at this. Not sure why he gets a pass.

I do radio in my spare time. Talk to a lot of live audiences too. Have a lot of stage experience. Each of them needs a coach and very badly. But Hillary is definitely getting better at matching her tone to the context. He seems pretty much unteachable.

IMHO there is nothing at all wrong with politicians who try to master as a pupil more of the art of stagecraft. can't really say that in public, cause people with think studying stage craft is somehow a sign of inauthenticity. But that shows you how stupid people can be.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
21. No need to bash him for being passionate either....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

... but the reason it gets a pass is the same reason this CTR ad was pretty good:



Glad you understand statecraft, at least from the perspective of the actors or radio people. I know it from the backstage end, and while I know running sound can sometimes be harder than running the light board (though I truly admire the people who actually do all the design work for lighting, and rigging the lighting and programming the board is a lot harder than running it for the show, whereas running mic lines is pretty easy), still... bad sound person, bad.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
22. That's good.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

one of the things many politicians can't seem to get in their heads is that when they've got like a $10,000 mike in their faces, with awesome base gain, and an excellent sound engineer on hand, they don't actually need to try to project. Just talk and let the mike do the projecting.

Simple things like that make you sound better and aren't at all inauthentic.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
24. Doubt the mic at the college was one of those. Heh. ;)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

Btw, I need to clarify since I did link to the CTR ad before Googling one "shut up":

Bernie IS in one of those, but his reason for shouting down that particular heckler should counter any allegations he doesn't plan to stand for Israel, a nasty line of attack that seems to have actually originated from a questionable article on The Forward. (The original article is preserved in Google Webcache, and the edits to both the headline and the update about the denial can be compared. Another, more experienced writer for The Forward admitted it was not a great article in the first place.

The sloppiness of the original article's writing style made it difficult to tell if Paul Hodes, first Jewish representative from NH and a known Hillary supporter, even knew he was talking to the press, or if his statements were merely his and his wife's personal opinion about Bernie after a leading question from an unbadged reporter not identifying himself as a member of the press, was deliberately approaching people he noticed may have been Jewish, too, at the post-primary event, with those concerns, or what.

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But yeah, honestly I'd rather see our candidates too busy immersing themselves in the issues to be worried so much about their delivery of their speeches to get vocal coaching... at least until after the primaries are over and they can just drag the coach along the campaign trail.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. Looks like the meme of the Day
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

More than one "I used to support Bernie but he disgusts me so I switched to Clinton" and its companion "I used to support Bernie but I was won over by the Magical Light of Hillary."

moriah

(8,311 posts)
27. IMHO, more "I saw her in person, and she's not a demon! No glowing red eyes or anything!" ;)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary was clearly addressing people who consider staying at home or "letting the whole thing bern" by voting Republican if they don't get Bernie.



Now, of course, if Mr. Lovell feels he was misrepresented today, I hope he speaks out.

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