his attackers will go.

I support Bernie but I'll vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election.

I haven't changed that position, but the more shit like this continues, the more I may have to reconsider and sit out the election if he's not the nominee.

This is a Rovian tactic and I do not vote Rovian.

Period.

this is what you get.

He's a sadist.

BTW, I've been reading your posts for years and enjoy them very much. I'm in teacher education and your take on public education very closely matches my own. IIRC, you mentioned Susan Ohanian in the past. I've known Susan for years. Her essays in Learning Magazine in the 70's probably kept me in the profession.

Shouldn't be happening in our party.

I will vote for all the downticket races, which will include a Senate race and county and local races, although the Congressional race is a lost cause-- just a Libertarian versus a Republican, like last time.

Brock belongs in the Republican party where he began his career as the future Propagandist, no doubt hoping to take Murdoch's Global propagandist position.

It is SO despicable that any Democrat would associate with that slime that I cannot think of words to express how I feel about it.

Dick Morris, David Brock, HENRY EFING KISSINGER. What are we doing here???

Between the timing of this attack, right before SC, John Lewis's comments, the allegations the pictures were not of Bernie, and the Jonathan Capart BS, this was a coordinated, campaign level attack.

Add in the Hillary Donor's contribution to Tweety's wife's campaign for him to shill for her and you have one dirty, disgusting candidate who doesn't care who she lies to or tramples to get into office!

Do we really want another President who is willing to lie and manipulate to get us to do something to benefit her? Obviously TPTB want her badly!

Sally Cook, the retired government lawyer University of Chicago alumni who contacted the University of Chicago archives to get the caption of the photo changed, conceded to Time magazine reporter Sam Frizell that she could not "say for certain the man is not Sanders."

So what made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?

Who then told Sam Frizell, Time magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this complete non-story without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

What then induced the WaPo's Jonathan Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to pick up this complete non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

Why did corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?

...whispers are heard planting doubt that Bernie Sanders is at odds with the AA community.

Then, voila! Time Magazine says Bernie is a fraud trying to dupe the AA community with phony stories of attendance at Civil Rights events of 50 years ago.

What are the odds Bernie would be called a fraud in a Civil Rights picture, dismissed by Cong. Lewis as an invisible participant in Chicago, right after the Hillary campaign questioned his bona fides as a friend of African-Americans? What lucky timing for the Clinton campaign!

But it's gratifying to see how quickly this exploded in their faces.

Because it is exactly what this is.

That Jonathon Capeheart said on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Greenspan show. It was QUITE DISGUSTING saying that the Picture of Bernie Sanders at the University of Chicago was not him.

This Yellow and Black Journalism MUST BE CALLED OUT for what it is. Mitchell's Show need to go as she allowed it to go on without ONE Fact check -- just he said, she said -- with producing the he or she to state their case and Capeheart had NOTHING but what he heard without one witness -- which is NOT JOURNALISM!!!

Meanwhile, more pictures of Bernie at the University of Chicago have been found and the Photographer VERIFIES it is BERNIE SANDERS.

This Election Season is getting disgusting before it gets really started.

https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/

I think it is him. Also I don't care if it is or isn't him. Also Bernie never said it was so even if it isn't him so freaking what. And again I don't care and I hope Bernie just lets people continue arguing over a picture because it's hilarious what people will say to try to discredit his record as if someone else in a picture means he wasn't in the group he is on record being with.

It will make a huge difference to me in the future how this is resolved.

It is about Bernie's honesty and character, it is becoming about character of his supporters.

One of my children used to have temper tantrums when she was a child. I would just let her scream, from her bedroom.

He said to throw cold water in my face. She did, and she said I never had a tantrum again.

I guess today she'd be arrested for that.

If I had thought of that I would have done it. I see no harm in a child getting a little wet or getting a shock for being a brat. I don't think it's something you would get arrested for it's not spanking. Spanking I would not do.

when I was teething. They did that kind of crap in my day.

I am pretty sure that is not the reason for my issues.

Seems to be a daily occurrence.

gave me a stick of gum. I was probably around 3-4.

We got our choice of candy from him after every visit.

tortured by a dentist but he didn't give us candy. (that's another story....)

But hey..... a dentist giving you CANDY?? Trying to increase business?

That worked. Then I got a "sucker" to take home on the bus.

My dentist in Haiti powered his drill with a foot pedal! It was so slow that smoke used to come out of my mouth.

time. And it worked.

The first night I slept a full night (I was 3) my parents put a mirror under my nose.

It's a wonder I never became a narcotics addict.

....and still "teething".

This might have contributed to a lifelong addiction to cigarettes. At least she is now on the e-cigarettes.

pffftt.. can't we just stay above this? That didn't work out so well.

Maybe Bernie will address the issue and put it to rest. He might even have to deny it's him in the photo and reiterate he was involved with that group including doing sitins but maybe maybe not that one. Whatever, Hillary people are being *****s.

is that this is during a primary - a place where both people are Democratic candidates and one will have to go on into the general election. And this was also how she treated President Obama. She does not care if we win in Nov. just that SHE wins.

Bernie tells us this is not about him. Well she is clearly telling us this is not about us - just her.

It used to just be Republicons I tuned out. Seriously I would try to listen to them talk, but it turns out to be quite futile they sound like raging maniacs. Actually raging maniacs often make more sense I know because I volunteered to work at a place where there were a few not exactly the psych ward, but pretty close. Anyway they were sweet people when they weren't triggered into having an episode, but Republicons are rarely sweet people. Now, Hillary is joining up with them in that place where she just sounds mean and obnoxious. Where is the Hillary that would have fought for 100% of the people in this country having medical care for free if need be? Now she has been replaced by oh well so what if 30 million people don't have insurance and so what if 25,000 will die without it and so what if other people still can't pay their deductibles and copays, they aren't important enough to fight for anymore.

need in Nov if she can pull off a win.

People who are terrified of Republicans might vote for her too. But, you know who won't vote for her and she desperately needs these votes... Independents. She will not get millennials. She will not get a whole lot of liberals. She will not get first time voters those who are 18 and just a bit older that couldn't vote in 2012.

has any idea what she and her campaign are doing?

But, I think that she has gone from someone people don't care about one way or another or who is somewhat likable from a distance to one that people are going to have a knee jerk can't stand her reaction.

that way. In 2008 it did not take me any time to decide who I was supporting - Obama. My feelings have not changed.

she exudes that attitude with every debate and particularly palpable the other night.

With regard to the current smear John Lewis is shilling for her, obviously he's heavily invested in her taking the throne. Can you imagine what's at stake for him? A big share of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that comes with the "job" via all manner of perks, and a special position in her cabinet. Besides, he owes her big time for going with Obama back in '08. She considered it a serious betrayal he paid for it.

Her current campaign is remarkably similar in depravity when running against Obama in 08. I'll never ever, not ever forget how she used his middle name to heavily suggest he wasn't good enough for the office, might be related to Islamic Terrorists even. Or at one point smearing his association with Ayers and the Pastor in Chicago, (can't remember his name right now).

When she did those things in '08 against Obama she was finished for me. as in forever.

That they can't be trusted. So, it's important to find out if Bernie is as devious as they are.

I didn't read his book I suspect most people haven't. In any case until 10 minutes ago I didn't care. We all know for a fact Bernie was at a lot of these events. I don't care if someone else was standing at a particular event and Bernie was or was not. Even if he wasn't that guy he was at that event and no one disputes that so the picture who cares. Well I do now that it's proven it actually is him and other people are like no it's not he wasn't wearing a white shirt, except that he was.

you can misinterpret a photo, but it doesn't disprove his actual history.

this is all nonsense. what Bernie did is fact, photo or not.

diminish Sanders Civil Rights history. The photographer, known for his photos from that era has verified it. However this matter because it is everything Bernie's campaign is about. Hillary using a Super Pac secretly funded by her wealthy donors, allowing slime like David Brock to run it, AND to smear her opponents' whoever they may be, see OBama in 2008 I remember, I was there.

But this one has backfired royally because Bernie Sanders is a truly honest man, and there is NOTHING she can do that will change that in the eyes of the public

What this attempt at Swift Boating has done is diminish HER in the eyes of even more people.

Her surrogates have insulted women, AAs who are not supporting her Sanders whose long record is too well known so she could not make a dent in it, trying 'sexism' 'racism' and each time these smears have backfired. She ought to read what hundreds of thousands of people now think of her and her association with that smearmonger Brock..

I'm for keeping Brock doing what he's doing, it has HELPED Sanders make the central point of his campaign, Brock is exhibit #1 of why we must get the corrupt money out of politics.

Millions have been raised among the people as a result of Brock's multiple failed attempts to smear Sanders. I hope she doesn't fire him.

Hillary and her crew can say whatever they want. But, they can't change actual reality.

Lyon's correction.

In Google News, type this:
Danny Lyon Bernie Sanders sit-in

All you get is the Wapo "don't spread this around" shit. No mea culpas from the media.

I have worked all my life to have a good reputation. And I do. I resent being called names because I'm a Bernie supporter.

Bernie must feel the same.

they lie about him.

i do not support any candidate... so when they scream bernie bros. I am that one in the corner laughing so hard it is not even funny.

I expect this to become far, far, far, far dirtier

but the next several are the correction.

just highlighted what you said, right click and search google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Danny+Lyon+Bernie+Sanders+sit-in&oq=Danny+Lyon+Bernie+Sanders+sit-in&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#

News does report the WAPO link and nothing else related

Bernie's credibility has been called into question and so has that of the photographer.

For me it changes how I view the party I've always voted with.

They will simply use bully tactics to pressure people to vote Democratic.

They have no integrity. Either we wrestle control of the party away from these lying establishment hacks, or the party goes down in flames.

I will save this and post on every "It's not Bernie" thread I find.

Look at the four pictures. Dark chenille sweater with a white shirt underneath. Dark pants. As Luminous Animal noted, the shoes have tassels.

In the picture that is being contested as Bernie---he is wearing the exact same clothes that are in these four pictures of the same event.



Doesn't this provide evidence that Sanders, pictured in these 4 photos posted by Luminous, is also the same person standing up and gesticulating (the photo being contested)?

The photog says he took that pic and that it was Bernie. Bernie has been using that photo of himself throughout the campaign.

So, the photographer is a liar or mistaken? Bernie is a liar or mistaken?

I don't understand why this doesn't solve it once and for all.

campaign.

and these pictures of Bernie. Did Bernie and the other guy some say it is dress in an identical fashion, right down to the tassels on their loafers and boatneck sweaters? This is really a dumb "controversy." It's Bernie in the speaking photo and Bernie in the seated photos above.

to keep it up.

You've done a magnificent job. I look for your posts every day.

Means a lot.

It makes it look as if you're implying that the photographer is lying too, which I know is not your intention.

Thanks. I may capitalize more until this is fixed.

It's about whether our party's leaders are willing to stand up for the truth.

Hey, you don't have to believe a word of it.

It's your choice.

The photographer sets up the shot then runs over to a spot of his/her choice and waits for the timer to end with the snapshot of the photograph.

It is the shutter delay feature of, usually a 35 mm camera.

Here are some examples:
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbp1vVb5WlZYAD4Cl87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDcWI2VVhCRGlUYVNBN0JUU0dNS09JQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMyNQRxdWVyeQNTaHV0dGVyIGRlbGF5IG9mIGEgY2FtZXJhBHRfc3RtcAMxNDU1MzE0MzA3?p=Shutter+delay+of+a+camera&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-search&iscqry=


And : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutter_lag

Hope this helps. Thanks Mad.

I took it to mean that the photographer was in the right hand corner and McNamara was next to him there. Maybe part of McNamara showing?

A wide angle lens would capture the person next to him.

better writing would say,
I took the photograph of Bernie Sanders speaking to his fellow CORE members at that sit-in. Bob McNamara, a close friend and CORE activist, is in the very corner next to me in This picture.

Never? Almost?

It was such a cheap shot to begin with.

about leaving the party.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Denounced the fake scandals for the witch hunt that they were.

But when it comes to this, I see people still insisting it wasn't Sanders in the photo.[/font]

Wish I could do better than quote photographer because it is not enough.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214262#post171

Hillary supporters....

Where are they??

We have :

(1) A group of of 6 photographs which is internally consistent and which the photographer says are of Bernie Sanders.

(2) A good comparison between young Bernie and old Bernie here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511212868

(3) supporting evidence in the form of contemporaneous reports which discuss Bernie's presence at the event

(4) Bernie has said that it probably is him

(5) The evidence of our own eyeballs

ETA (6) An observation from the photographer that the pics were originally labelled as Bernie and changed, for whatever reason, at a later date.

Plus, as I understand it, the second group of photagraphs was discovered relatively recently. In which case, Bruce's friends and family may have been asked to judge the matter based on only the first batch.

The reporter should, at least, go back and confirm with his original sources and actually consult the photographer. He also needs to consider whether the content and tone of his article is appropriate given what he now knows.

The whole thing is utterly bizarre.

I'm sorry to say that, because I liked him.

Is the Univ of Chicago archive an online gallery, or was the actual hard copy photo doctored? Is there any indication of the identity of who doctored it and when? Is there an investigation ongoing?
Given the photographers statement, I don't question his word. Altering what is a historical document is a serious matter, and if it was done by a political operative as seems likely, then I hope action is being taken.

bring about equality in the south. They were preachers, college students, high school students, retired people and just regular people who were beaten, tortured and killed by the racists in the south. To claim that Bernie Sanders lied and was not there when the photographer and friends say he was and for some for the game of politics say he wasn't is perhaps the worst thing to come about.

Jimmie Lee Jackson
Clyde Kennard
Juliette Hampton Morgan
Rev. James Reeb
Jonathan Myrick Daniels
Viola Gregg Liuzzo
Vernon Dammer
Oneal Moore
Rev. George Lee
Harriette Moore
Harry Moore

And the hundreds who were beaten by the establishment.

They weren't doing it for money. They weren't doing it for their rights, which they already had as white priviledge. They weren't doing it to add to their resume as a presidential candidate 55 years later. They WERE doing it to get justice and equality for their fellow man. The Swiftboating is despicable and depraved, I'm glad it's blowing up in their face.

...even when the tribe has the moral high ground and truth.

Sick of this smear and the mentality behind it.

I think I'll go with the word of the photographer who was actually there, was the 'official' photographer of the movement, and was his job to identify the people in the photos and chronicle their actions

Benghazi!! Benghazi!! Benghazi!! Benghazi!! Benghazi!! Benghazi!!

You "don't give a shit either way"?!? Wow.

I have to wonder if Hi11ary has any knowledge of this disingenuous attack on Bernie's veracity. That would make a BIG difference to me.

And, I would have a VERY difficult time supporting someone whose campaign resorted to this kind of "swift-boating."

So, I guess you would have to say I give a BIG shit about this disgusting smear, and I have to question WHO is behind this. If Hi11ary "approved this message," she's far worse than I thought.

their entire story, come crashing to their feet. Wow I am so thankful to be on the side of this statesman who has always put our interest first. He has never used this impressive activism to toot his own horn. I am sure Mr. Lewis is somewhat surprised to learn of this today. I feel Rep. Lewis may have been purposefully misled. We supporters can let go of this and know Senator Sanders has this....he has made the honorable and smart moves from the beginning. So thrilled to cast my vote for Senator Sanders on Super Tuesday here in New Mexico with my three millenials!

This is starting to make Sanders look really bad. His record is what it is. Youre not going to fool or bully the AA community into believing what you want them to believe.

This is swiftboating. And it shouldn't stand.

A smear on Bernie that goes public on TV.

Bernie's supporters point out the truth.

Then it's like oh no help me Bernie trolls are attacking me!!!!

Republicans tactic.