2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMadeleine Albright: My Undiplomatic Moment
But last Saturday, in the excitement of a campaign event for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, that is essentially what I did, when I delivered a line I have uttered a thousand times to applause, nodding heads and laughter: Theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other. It is a phrase I first used almost 25 years ago, when I was the United States ambassador to the United Nations and worked closely with the six other female U.N. ambassadors. But this time, to my surprise, it went viral.
I absolutely believe what I said, that women should help one another, but this was the wrong context and the wrong time to use that line. I did not mean to argue that women should support a particular candidate based solely on gender. But I understand that I came across as condemning those who disagree with my political preferences. If heaven were open only to those who agreed on politics, I imagine it would be largely unoccupied.
However, I do want to explain why I so firmly believe that, even today, women have an obligation to help one another. In a society where women often feel pressured to tear one another down, our saving grace lies in our willingness to lift one another up. And while young women may not want to hear anything more from this aging feminist, I feel it is important to speak to women coming of age at a time when a viable female presidential candidate, once inconceivable, is a reality.
More at http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/opinion/madeleine-albright-my-undiplomatic-moment.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/
As a Hillary Clinton supporter I disagreed with Secretary Albright's choice of words last week. The timing and place wasn't right. I am glad that she realized she made a mistake. She expands upon her beliefs and life lessons in the oped. Before you decide to comment, I urge you to read the whole article.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)glad she apologized
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Go away, Madeline.
Her undiplomatic comments revealed her true evil, 'it was worth it' soul... kinda like a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts!
All wrong Albright said what she meant.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)or had the fathers of their children removed from their families so that they were unable to contribute to the household finances either directly, or via child support? Or, the women in those situations who had the rug pulled out from under their feet via welfare reform?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)All I'm gonna say.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Thanks for the link!
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)At least Steinem knew immediately she "misspoke."
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I read the whole column and I never saw her apology to the women she said were going to hell.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just doubling down. Still believes it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i'm sorry that you are upset at what i did
i'm sorry that you felt hurt but i didn't do anything wrong
putting the blame and responsibility on the offended. she is as low as the rest of the clinton machine.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)She was right. It was the wrong place to make that statement. Maybe now people will stop defending it and move on. Thanks for posting it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That younger women might technically kind of have the right to consider perhaps supporting a different candidate in the primary. No, they should know better, theyve been warned not to, but they're kind of allowed to.. Sort of.
Even if they're wrong, its not completely against the law. I mean, it might be a civil fine but certainly no more than a year or two in prison.
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)One of the most recommended comments was ranting how young women were ignorant and were condescending to older women. That comment irked me, since it wasn't young women who started with being condescending, it was the Clinton surrogates. That NYT commentor and the Clinton surrogates are not doing their candidate any favors.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Its particularly funny since it is coming from the generation that once brought us "dont trust anyone over 30"
Well, like the song says; irony, its the shackles of youth.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)She said something stupid. When you do that, don't try to explain yourself, don't try to say you were misunderstood. Just say some version of "hey, I screwed up and I'm sorry" and go on with your life. Don't try to justify it or put yourself in a good light. Let your apology stand on its own.
Both she and Steinem offered really crappy apologies.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Throw Albright under the bus if you want, this is about Hillary.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)In RR case he never met a war that Nancy didn't like.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)To my eye she looked surprised and delighted. On that basis, my guess is that she didn't expect the comment -- but she certainly was happy with it.
You make a good point that what Hillary said and did (and didn't say) on the subject is more important than our assessing Albright.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Hillary nearly busted a gut with laughter.
Chezboo
(230 posts)"Good grief, were getting offended by everything these days! she said. "People cant say anything without offending somebody."
Isn't that rich?!?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/07/hillary-clinton-defends-madeleine-albright-women-female-voters
frylock
(34,825 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)and if the unwashed masses get upset about being trashed, well too bad.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)We are over the top, aren't we. Let's put away the socialist handbooks.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)These are "apologies" for the text book ... enablers, that is. More Swiftboating Backfiring. HRC just isn't good at this at all. So when is HRC going to own up to her own, um, lies about Bernie?
Ii'll answer my own question...When Hell Freezes Over.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Albright seems to have needed some time to read online comments, maybe run it by a focus group, and decide that she'd better do something to minimize the damage to the candidate she's backing.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)accept the result and take an action. Problem is, especially Albright, she has a long political list of credentials that this faux pas flew right into the face of...and she lost credibility. What a horrible thing to come out of the mouth of any government/political person. Unfreakingbelievable.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)He joins Ted Strickland (bobble-head behind the "shame on you" reprimand) under my bus.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Kind of makes you wonder about the people who threw them there.
frylock
(34,825 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)It is the ones that are pushed from the sidewalk from behind because the dared to support one candidate or criticize another. When a person's lifetime of achievements and standing suddenly mean nothing to the person doing the pushing, that says a lot about about the people doing the pushing.
But remember this, buses themselves are virtual, created in the minds by those who imagine themselves as powerful because they can operate a keyboard and mouse, when in fact they are powerless in the big pictures. The people they imagined that they pushed under the bus are unfazed. They don't even know that their imagined antagonist exists.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)our votes, and they imagine they can get them by insult and dismissal. Not. Too. Bright.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)They are not Democrats. They are only here to support Bernie, and if and when he fails in his bid, they will go back to voting against their best interest by supporting the Green Party or the Socialist Party USA; or by sitting on their hands election day. The real Democrats who support Bernie now will either come around or they won't. I suspect they will. Either way the people on DU will not be the determining factor in the general election.
However, given the despicable behavior of some of your Bernie brothers all over the internet, they obviously have already decided there is no way for Bernie to win the nomination because all across the country they are driving other Democrats away from your candidate in droves .
But by all means stand in front of your glass house and throw rocks.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And who, I wonder, pissed in your Cheerios? How very, very clever you are to turn a discussion about how the Dem party elite insults and dismisses women who might want to vote for another candidate into a referendum on how horrible Bernie Bros. and how they are alienating Dems. It seems like classic projection to me.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)and, by all reports, Bernie supporters on line have already retied the trophy in the insult category.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)It's not just reserved for anyone who supports Clinton/opposes Sanders.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)No one tells me who to vote for.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Women no longer have to unthinkingly support any woman who has a chance at a position of power.
I genuinely appreciate her efforts and intelligence and hard work. Because of her and women like her, we now have choices and don't have to support someone solely because a candidate is a powerful and intelligent woman competing with a compassionate and intelligent man. That is a very, very, very big deal and I'm truly grateful.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I used teach karate and your clip of the two young ones "sparring" is fantastic.