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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:00 PM Feb 2016

Madeleine Albright: My Undiplomatic Moment

I HAVE spent much of my career as a diplomat. It is an occupation in which words and context matter a great deal. So one might assume I know better than to tell a large number of women to go to hell.

But last Saturday, in the excitement of a campaign event for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, that is essentially what I did, when I delivered a line I have uttered a thousand times to applause, nodding heads and laughter: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.” It is a phrase I first used almost 25 years ago, when I was the United States ambassador to the United Nations and worked closely with the six other female U.N. ambassadors. But this time, to my surprise, it went viral.

I absolutely believe what I said, that women should help one another, but this was the wrong context and the wrong time to use that line. I did not mean to argue that women should support a particular candidate based solely on gender. But I understand that I came across as condemning those who disagree with my political preferences. If heaven were open only to those who agreed on politics, I imagine it would be largely unoccupied.

However, I do want to explain why I so firmly believe that, even today, women have an obligation to help one another. In a society where women often feel pressured to tear one another down, our saving grace lies in our willingness to lift one another up. And while young women may not want to hear anything more from this aging feminist, I feel it is important to speak to women coming of age at a time when a viable female presidential candidate, once inconceivable, is a reality.


More at http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/opinion/madeleine-albright-my-undiplomatic-moment.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

As a Hillary Clinton supporter I disagreed with Secretary Albright's choice of words last week. The timing and place wasn't right. I am glad that she realized she made a mistake. She expands upon her beliefs and life lessons in the oped. Before you decide to comment, I urge you to read the whole article.
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Madeleine Albright: My Undiplomatic Moment (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP
Yep Didn't Like the Tenor Stallion Feb 2016 #1
How are all those Iraqi children doing, Madame Secretaries? bigwillq Feb 2016 #2
Bingo Carolina Feb 2016 #8
Another Bingo. I don't like Ms. Albright. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #15
And the women who went to prison loyalsister Feb 2016 #22
+1. closeupready Feb 2016 #29
I understood when it happened, but I'm glad she stepped up on this. Lucinda Feb 2016 #3
When did this happen? A lot of pride to swallow if it takes this long to admit WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #4
That read more like a doubling down than an apology Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #5
nice non apology Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6
yes, in the flavor of, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #7
As with Steinem, whose words were "misinterpreted." JudyM Feb 2016 #9
I'm glad she apologized noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #10
Its so gracious of these people to grudgingly acknowledge through grinding teeth Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #11
Did you read the comments? malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #14
Theyre beside themselves with unhinged rage that the whippersnappers arent minding their elders. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #16
There's no apology in there. She just tried to rationalize Arazi Feb 2016 #12
yep 840high Feb 2016 #18
Agreed mythology Feb 2016 #28
Hillary was standing next to her and didn't have a problem with it. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #13
Clinton, Thatcher, Albright, Reagan, they are all the same. Never met a war they didn't like. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #17
Problem???? Hillary had a big grin and applauded. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #21
NO Shit! GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #25
And Hillary defended her with this quote I'll have to remember for the next time she whines: Chezboo Feb 2016 #26
Was that before or after Bill Clinton had there in his hand a list of Berniebros? frylock Feb 2016 #33
Yup. The elite can say whatever insulting crap they want, laugh about it farleftlib Feb 2016 #37
Oh, for gosh sakes! CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #45
Steinham was sorry she was misrepresented...Albright had an undiplomatic moment. libdem4life Feb 2016 #19
At least Steinem walked it back pretty quickly. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #20
True...she lost face big time on that one...which is why it probably took more time to libdem4life Feb 2016 #23
She put her foot in it, no doubt. wildeyed Feb 2016 #24
Sen. Booker didn't seem to mind TSIAS Feb 2016 #27
I have noticed a number of good Democrats under buses lately CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #30
It's not at all uncommon for people to walk out into traffic. frylock Feb 2016 #34
It's not the people that walk though traffic I'm talking about CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #36
Well it seems us powerless keyboarders have something the unfazed ones want right now, farleftlib Feb 2016 #38
Many of your Bernie brothers and sisters would never vote for Hillary under any circumstances CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #40
Who threw stones? farleftlib Feb 2016 #46
Well, we were talking about insults... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #47
I'm selective about who I throw under the bus TSIAS Feb 2016 #39
I am glad that Sec. Allbright apologized Gothmog Feb 2016 #31
Burn in hell Madeline. Take your non-apology and shove it in your brooch. jillan Feb 2016 #32
Someone cares who your vote for? CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #41
What?! What are you talking about? jillan Feb 2016 #42
Sorry, typo, fixed it. CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #44
because of the efforts of women like her renate Feb 2016 #35
I like your signature video clips CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #43

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
8. Bingo
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

Her undiplomatic comments revealed her true evil, 'it was worth it' soul... kinda like a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts!

All wrong Albright said what she meant.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. And the women who went to prison
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

or had the fathers of their children removed from their families so that they were unable to contribute to the household finances either directly, or via child support? Or, the women in those situations who had the rug pulled out from under their feet via welfare reform?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
4. When did this happen? A lot of pride to swallow if it takes this long to admit
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:16 PM
Feb 2016

At least Steinem knew immediately she "misspoke."

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
5. That read more like a doubling down than an apology
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

I read the whole column and I never saw her apology to the women she said were going to hell.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
7. yes, in the flavor of,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

i'm sorry that you are upset at what i did

i'm sorry that you felt hurt but i didn't do anything wrong

putting the blame and responsibility on the offended. she is as low as the rest of the clinton machine.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
10. I'm glad she apologized
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

She was right. It was the wrong place to make that statement. Maybe now people will stop defending it and move on. Thanks for posting it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Its so gracious of these people to grudgingly acknowledge through grinding teeth
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

That younger women might technically kind of have the right to consider perhaps supporting a different candidate in the primary. No, they should know better, theyve been warned not to, but they're kind of allowed to.. Sort of.

Even if they're wrong, its not completely against the law. I mean, it might be a civil fine but certainly no more than a year or two in prison.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
14. Did you read the comments?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

One of the most recommended comments was ranting how young women were ignorant and were condescending to older women. That comment irked me, since it wasn't young women who started with being condescending, it was the Clinton surrogates. That NYT commentor and the Clinton surrogates are not doing their candidate any favors.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. Theyre beside themselves with unhinged rage that the whippersnappers arent minding their elders.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

Its particularly funny since it is coming from the generation that once brought us "dont trust anyone over 30"


Well, like the song says; irony, its the shackles of youth.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
28. Agreed
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

She said something stupid. When you do that, don't try to explain yourself, don't try to say you were misunderstood. Just say some version of "hey, I screwed up and I'm sorry" and go on with your life. Don't try to justify it or put yourself in a good light. Let your apology stand on its own.

Both she and Steinem offered really crappy apologies.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
13. Hillary was standing next to her and didn't have a problem with it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

Throw Albright under the bus if you want, this is about Hillary.



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Clinton, Thatcher, Albright, Reagan, they are all the same. Never met a war they didn't like.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

In RR case he never met a war that Nancy didn't like.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. Problem???? Hillary had a big grin and applauded.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

To my eye she looked surprised and delighted. On that basis, my guess is that she didn't expect the comment -- but she certainly was happy with it.

You make a good point that what Hillary said and did (and didn't say) on the subject is more important than our assessing Albright.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
26. And Hillary defended her with this quote I'll have to remember for the next time she whines:
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:29 AM
Feb 2016

"Good grief, we’re getting offended by everything these days!” she said. "People can’t say anything without offending somebody."

Isn't that rich?!?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/07/hillary-clinton-defends-madeleine-albright-women-female-voters

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
37. Yup. The elite can say whatever insulting crap they want, laugh about it
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

and if the unwashed masses get upset about being trashed, well too bad.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
19. Steinham was sorry she was misrepresented...Albright had an undiplomatic moment.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

These are "apologies" for the text book ... enablers, that is. More Swiftboating Backfiring. HRC just isn't good at this at all. So when is HRC going to own up to her own, um, lies about Bernie?

Ii'll answer my own question...When Hell Freezes Over.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
20. At least Steinem walked it back pretty quickly.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

Albright seems to have needed some time to read online comments, maybe run it by a focus group, and decide that she'd better do something to minimize the damage to the candidate she's backing.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. True...she lost face big time on that one...which is why it probably took more time to
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

accept the result and take an action. Problem is, especially Albright, she has a long political list of credentials that this faux pas flew right into the face of...and she lost credibility. What a horrible thing to come out of the mouth of any government/political person. Unfreakingbelievable.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
27. Sen. Booker didn't seem to mind
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

He joins Ted Strickland (bobble-head behind the "shame on you" reprimand) under my bus.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
30. I have noticed a number of good Democrats under buses lately
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

Kind of makes you wonder about the people who threw them there.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
36. It's not the people that walk though traffic I'm talking about
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

It is the ones that are pushed from the sidewalk from behind because the dared to support one candidate or criticize another. When a person's lifetime of achievements and standing suddenly mean nothing to the person doing the pushing, that says a lot about about the people doing the pushing.

But remember this, buses themselves are virtual, created in the minds by those who imagine themselves as powerful because they can operate a keyboard and mouse, when in fact they are powerless in the big pictures. The people they imagined that they pushed under the bus are unfazed. They don't even know that their imagined antagonist exists.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
38. Well it seems us powerless keyboarders have something the unfazed ones want right now,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

our votes, and they imagine they can get them by insult and dismissal. Not. Too. Bright.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
40. Many of your Bernie brothers and sisters would never vote for Hillary under any circumstances
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

They are not Democrats. They are only here to support Bernie, and if and when he fails in his bid, they will go back to voting against their best interest by supporting the Green Party or the Socialist Party USA; or by sitting on their hands election day. The real Democrats who support Bernie now will either come around or they won't. I suspect they will. Either way the people on DU will not be the determining factor in the general election.

However, given the despicable behavior of some of your Bernie brothers all over the internet, they obviously have already decided there is no way for Bernie to win the nomination because all across the country they are driving other Democrats away from your candidate in droves .

But by all means stand in front of your glass house and throw rocks.


 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
46. Who threw stones?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

And who, I wonder, pissed in your Cheerios? How very, very clever you are to turn a discussion about how the Dem party elite insults and dismisses women who might want to vote for another candidate into a referendum on how horrible Bernie Bros. and how they are alienating Dems. It seems like classic projection to me.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
47. Well, we were talking about insults...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

and, by all reports, Bernie supporters on line have already retied the trophy in the insult category.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
39. I'm selective about who I throw under the bus
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

It's not just reserved for anyone who supports Clinton/opposes Sanders.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
32. Burn in hell Madeline. Take your non-apology and shove it in your brooch.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:50 AM
Feb 2016

No one tells me who to vote for.

renate

(13,776 posts)
35. because of the efforts of women like her
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:18 AM
Feb 2016

Women no longer have to unthinkingly support any woman who has a chance at a position of power.

I genuinely appreciate her efforts and intelligence and hard work. Because of her and women like her, we now have choices and don't have to support someone solely because a candidate is a powerful and intelligent woman competing with a compassionate and intelligent man. That is a very, very, very big deal and I'm truly grateful.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
43. I like your signature video clips
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:20 PM
Feb 2016

I used teach karate and your clip of the two young ones "sparring" is fantastic.

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