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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:55 PM Feb 2016

Not that it matters but Jonathan Capehart has earened a permanent place under my bus

I used to like him. Not the best pundit out there, but credible and interesting in a conventional wisdom kind of way.

But his latest stunt at working for what seems to be the Clinton/Brock Swiftboating machine has placed him on my own personal shit list. Him going out and breathlessly pushing a totally meaningless -- but harmful -- smear about absolutely nothing about a decades -old photograph to cast doubt on Sanders commitment to civil rights .

I know, if its so meaningless why are you upset.?

There is something about it that so crystallizes what is wrong about our politics as practiced by certain candidates. A contest of competing ideas? Bring it on.

But to try and misrepresent someone who has dedicated his life to social and economic justice based on whether a particular photograph of an event he was clearly at was him or someone who looked like him? Jeezus. That's foul, and indicates a lack of a moral center.


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Not that it matters but Jonathan Capehart has earened a permanent place under my bus (Original Post) Armstead Feb 2016 OP
K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #1
some people lie when the truth would of worked just as well questionseverything Feb 2016 #8
You're absolutely right. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #2
Pardon me, but that is, to paraphrase Joe Biden, malarkey. Aerows Feb 2016 #13
A while ago the U of Chicago magazine published this picture, identifying it as Sanders question everything Feb 2016 #29
Everybody has skeletons in their closets Aerows Feb 2016 #30
Yep. What a 24 hour cycle. I noticed how giddy he was while critiquing Sanders with Matthews WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #3
Yeah, I didn't realize that until I did a little digging cali Feb 2016 #4
I thought ejbr Feb 2016 #6
He is right now. He spoke to the wife of the photographer WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #14
The story is an attempt to attack Bernie's truthfulness. The photographer who JDPriestly Feb 2016 #23
Apparently, after smearing Bernie at every opportunity over this pathetic "scoop" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #45
K&R NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #5
has been for a while. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #12
I couldn't agree more. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #7
He's a hack, nt. Broward Feb 2016 #9
I agree and in a way the worst part is that he spread all that bullshit without even asking the Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #10
Yeah, it's gonna take a LOT more... dchill Feb 2016 #32
And how is that journalism? CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #34
Tad Devine said he wasn't sure because The University of Chicago changed the name Iol59 Feb 2016 #11
Capehart on Ferguson, last March: ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ was built on a lie Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #15
Thanks for that little gem. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #21
Thanks for this. enigmatic Feb 2016 #31
Interesting that Claire McCaskill gave a speech and she makes the exact assertions CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #35
^^^THIS^^^ me b zola Feb 2016 #16
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #22
I really don't think I'll ever recover from this Clinton/Brock Swiftboating of Sanders CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #37
The Clinton camp literally took out an eraser and rewrote history me b zola Feb 2016 #46
Correct! It doesn't matter and no one gives a shit! leftofcool Feb 2016 #17
Well I guess you weren't one of my valentines hearts Armstead Feb 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #19
I KNEW!!! I KNEW!!! When Sanders lost Capehart there was something VERY VERY WRONG!!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20
Seems especially stupid, since he is quite literally, in bed with the Clinton Campaign... AzDar Feb 2016 #24
Capehart has always been a toadie for corporate media Bernblu Feb 2016 #25
He said he's investigating bravenak Feb 2016 #26
LOL! Ohhhhh fancy! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #40
He just tweeted about it. He said it's not cut and dry. bravenak Feb 2016 #41
It's Sanders in the photo CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #42
It does not matter to me bravenak Feb 2016 #43
Then why are you talking about it? CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #44
It's all one big machine and we're not invited to the plant. nt valerief Feb 2016 #27
i'm sure he won't lose sleep over your decision. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #28
Latest Capetweet; dchill Feb 2016 #33
Such bullshit CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Feb 2016 #36
He is a piece of pond scum. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #38
His Shitter feed is telling him to retract his the story. He's been "transcribing" the follow up WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #47
Yes I remember all of the "serous investigations" of the Swiftboaters too Armstead Feb 2016 #48

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
8. some people lie when the truth would of worked just as well
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016

the clintons seem to be that way

lewis's endorsement would of been a great day for them....they did not have to smear bernie in the process....but they couldn't resist i guess

this obvious lie by capehart, while never mentioning his conflict of interest is embarrassing for all dems

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
2. You're absolutely right.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:02 PM
Feb 2016

Your opinion of Capeheart doesn't matter. Funny, last night, Bernie's spokesman was stating in that same interview that the Bernie campaign had never said or implied that the picture was of Bernie Sanders. If he didn't know for sure, he should have just said that. Instead, he acknowledged that their campaign had taken steps to remove any indication that they were making the claim that THAT photo was of Bernie Sanders. It would seem that if Bernie's campaign had time to change their website, than they certainly would have had time to pose the question to Bernie, "Is that you or not?"

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. Pardon me, but that is, to paraphrase Joe Biden, malarkey.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

Daniel Lyons - The man that TOOK the photo says it is Bernie Sanders, and offers up around 6 more at the same CORE convention of ... Bernie Sanders.

I guess this isn't Bernie Sanders, and the one who took the photo said it was:



I guess this isn't Bernie Sanders, either:



Ask the photographer whether or not ... you know, the person that took the picture in the first place whether he took pictures of Bernie Sanders, Bruce Rappaport, or maybe it was of a pink elephant running away from King Kong.

If the person that took the photo is not a good enough reference for you, then I have no idea what to say.

question everything

(47,486 posts)
29. A while ago the U of Chicago magazine published this picture, identifying it as Sanders
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

I think that this was before Sanders entered the race.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. Everybody has skeletons in their closets
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:08 AM
Feb 2016

But some have the likes of the Arlington cemetery in theirs.

It would be funny at this point how many odd, obscure "scandals" they keep trying to make stick, if it wasn't so damn important to elect the best Democratic candidates we can.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
3. Yep. What a 24 hour cycle. I noticed how giddy he was while critiquing Sanders with Matthews
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

and that put me off, but I didn't realize how enmeshed he is with Hillary.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
14. He is right now. He spoke to the wife of the photographer
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 2016

identified the guy in the photo as John Rappaport, and is writing his second article in 2 days about it. At the same time, there's an article going around written by the author that states it's Bernie.

Whatever the case, this is the most idiotic story.

What a piece of crap!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. The story is an attempt to attack Bernie's truthfulness. The photographer who
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

took this and a number of other pictures of Bernie at the same meeting on the same day has affirmed that the young man in the photo speaking at the meeting is Bernie.

Case closed.

It is very, very important to let the media and others know that the man in that photo is very clearly Bernie Sanders.

This is, as I said, an attack on Bernie's trustworthiness. It stinks. And everyone, every single newscaster who stated that the photo was not Bernie did not do the research and due diligence on the story that he or she should have done.

Every one of them should be fired right away. They are disseminating a definite lie.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
45. Apparently, after smearing Bernie at every opportunity over this pathetic "scoop"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:47 AM
Feb 2016

Capehart writes "not cut and dry." He's still working on his the article he promised 13 hours ago ("transcribing now&quot

Sounds like he's trying to minimize the amount of shit he'll be eating, and that's assuming he has the integrity to correct the record.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. I agree and in a way the worst part is that he spread all that bullshit without even asking the
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

photographer about the photo. Just pure hackery.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
34. And how is that journalism?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

I think it's quite clear that this was a Swiftboatting of Bernie Sanders. A hit job.

Democrat on Democrat Swiftboatting. Still stuns me.

I think the Clinton camp (and Mr. Brock) turns to journos that they know will do their dirty work. Who knows how this nest of snakes works out their logistics. But they do.

What still hangs over my head about this whole thing...is that somehow they got three U of Chicago alumni to lie through their teeth about this entire situation. That picture was of Sanders. Those assholes had no proof that the picture wasn't of Sanders. They were making baseless assertions. Three people making baseless assertions. Then, the captions on the photos were changed.

So, how in the hell does that happen? Were they paid off? Are they Clinton fans? Republican operatives who don't want a socialist taking over the White House? How does this shit happen?

This was a concerted effort to malign Sanders. There were many liars involved.

Iol59

(25 posts)
11. Tad Devine said he wasn't sure because The University of Chicago changed the name
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

To Rappaport after being contacted by Time magazine.Bernies campaign made the video referring to his activism at the time probably saw the photos in the archives with Bernie being identified in the photo by the photographer.Than last month someone changed the name. That is some BS.Capehart should be fired.He also tried to bring up Bernies faith and why he won't talk about it.This all happened on Chris Matthews post debate show last night. Tonight no mention of it.This is going to be a very long primary and election. Stay strong Bernie supporters!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. Capehart on Ferguson, last March: ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ was built on a lie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:48 PM
Feb 2016

"What DOJ found made me ill. Wilson knew about the theft of the cigarillos from the convenience store and had a description of the suspects. Brown fought with the officer and tried to take his gun. And the popular hands-up storyline, which isn’t corroborated by ballistic and DNA evidence and multiple witness statements, was perpetuated by Witness 101. In fact, just about everything said to the media by Witness 101, whom we all know as Dorian Johnson, the friend with Brown that day, was not supported by the evidence and other witness statements."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
35. Interesting that Claire McCaskill gave a speech and she makes the exact assertions
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:28 AM
Feb 2016

about Ferguson.

Why do these people have the need to spread these particular messages?

McCaskill discussed during a Live Talks LA Forum that the DNC evidence supported that he went for the gun and that he charged the officer.

I don't understand their goals and need to drive home this messaging. They certainly worked hard at it.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
16. ^^^THIS^^^
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

The people spreading this smear intended for it to diminish Bernie's activism, but the only thing that has diminished is how I feel about them.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
37. I really don't think I'll ever recover from this Clinton/Brock Swiftboating of Sanders
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:34 AM
Feb 2016

You can only push people too far.

I think that Clinton has lost all sense of time and space. She's fighting like hell to win, but she lacks any regard for the feelings of those impacted by her camp's dirty tricks.

We are nothing to her. Absolutely nothing. She's on a mission to defeat Sanders and the task at hand is destroying his credibility and his honesty. So, she goes at it. Or David Brock goes at it. Whoever.

Not one iota of feeling for Sanders supporters or the people who support him.

It's fucking sick.

I was disgusted by the dirty tricks that Ted Kruz pulled in Iowa. He contacted Iowa voters and told people that Ben Carson was dropping out. And gee, I'm human I formed an opinion about that.

I'm not supposed to form an opinion when the Hillary-Brock brigade devises a Democrat on Democrat Swiftboat attack on Sanders?

The Clinton camp can live with the fallout of their behavior.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
46. The Clinton camp literally took out an eraser and rewrote history
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016

Who's next? Who else can be erased from history to satisfy their insatiable desire for power? That should become a meme, famous pictures with people erased out of them.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
20. I KNEW!!! I KNEW!!! When Sanders lost Capehart there was something VERY VERY WRONG!!!!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

Cause Capeharts face turned south when Sanders turned towards Cornell West in the north.


Now were is West!?

Where is Bigga?!?!


After Sanders lost Capehart I KNEW something was wrong

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
24. Seems especially stupid, since he is quite literally, in bed with the Clinton Campaign...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

Optics, idiot... check your FACTS.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
40. LOL! Ohhhhh fancy!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:48 AM
Feb 2016

He's "investigating".

Too bad he didn't do that before he printed his hit piece that accused Sanders of being dishonest; and accused Sanders supporters of touting a photo that was not Sanders.

All of that was lies.

Little ol me spent about a half hour completely debunking Capehart's bullshit.

All it took was posting 4 photos of Bernie at that sit in, and comparing those 4 photos to the single photo that Capehart insisted wasn't Bernie.

Bernie's clothes in all four photos--were the same clothes on the person that Capehart said wasn't Bernie!

It's not Capehart is pulling some complex Woodward and Bernstein investigation. LOL!

Spend 3 minutes glancing at the photos and you'll arrive at the same conclusions that the rest of the world has--you can do it Mr. Capehart. You go!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
41. He just tweeted about it. He said it's not cut and dry.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:51 AM
Feb 2016

I think it's a silly thing to even get bogged down in. Everyone knows he was there. So what if they got mixed up in a photo? Both were there regardless.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
42. It's Sanders in the photo
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016

It was always Sanders in the photo, until this Swifboatting of Sanders started.

There was no mix up.

End of story.


dchill

(38,503 posts)
33. Latest Capetweet;
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:15 AM
Feb 2016
6m6 minutes ago
Jonathan Capehart ?@CapehartJ
Spent the day doing my job. Reporting. Getting the facts. Thinking before writing. New Bernie photo piece coming soon. Not so cut and dry.


"Not so cut and dry."

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
39. Such bullshit
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:39 AM
Feb 2016

Capehart has demonstrated that he's not a professional. He's not a journalist.

He can ruminate and rationalize all he wants.

Sanders is the man in the photo. It's settled science.

Anything else is a continued Swiftboat attack on Bernie.

I won't be reading anything else from him on the subject.

Response to Armstead (Original post)

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
47. His Shitter feed is telling him to retract his the story. He's been "transcribing" the follow up
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

piece he promised going into his second day. I believe he's giving us a hint at what the next title might be:

"Where the word of a proud photographer conflicts with the pride of an ex-wife and friends."

What an egomaniacal, Clinton mouth piece he truly is. He seemed liked a nice guy. I never knew.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. Yes I remember all of the "serous investigations" of the Swiftboaters too
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

Keep the meme and the "doubts" alive regardless of whether it is ultimately debunked or not. Meanwhile the clock towards voting time ticks, ticks, ticvks

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