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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:36 PM Feb 2016

The Hillary Defense

Why is it that whenever someone has a criticism of Bernie, people use the Hillary defense? People judge them separately, I hope, and one being bad at something does not automatically make the other better. It seems as if I cannot ask a simple question about Bernie, without Hillary being used as a defense. I think we should judge each on their own merits if possible.

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The Hillary Defense (Original Post) bravenak Feb 2016 OP
So you think that wasn't Bernie in the photo? bigwillq Feb 2016 #1
Awwww! bravenak Feb 2016 #2
i agree. nt DesertFlower Feb 2016 #3
Thank you. bravenak Feb 2016 #6
No, they apply the hypocrisy label--most of the time correctly. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #4
Has nothing to do with my op bravenak Feb 2016 #5
I expect her to answer to every question libtodeath Feb 2016 #7
Not really, nobody listens to me bravenak Feb 2016 #8
How sad. libtodeath Feb 2016 #15
I have not seem the proof it is Bernie, he could have already cleared his but we don't Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #9
I'm waiting to hear him address it once and for all. He can end this now. bravenak Feb 2016 #10
It would be a good move, honesty always helps. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #16
Sure does. I hope he just comes out and says one way or another tonight bravenak Feb 2016 #17
Because he doesn't have to be perfect, only better. n/t Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #11
One person's better is another person worse bravenak Feb 2016 #13
Can't argue that. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #20
That should be the case, but in a two way, high stakes race, morningfog Feb 2016 #12
Ok. But it sucks to me bravenak Feb 2016 #14
It is mostly you discussing the photo endlessly. What's up with that? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #18
! bigwillq Feb 2016 #21
That is an exaggeration bravenak Feb 2016 #24
No disagreement here. morningfog Feb 2016 #19
Can't suck that bad. You're a hero to many. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #22
Sigh bravenak Feb 2016 #23
It's actually an Internet phenomenon ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #25
I find it kinda hoplessly inexplicable. bravenak Feb 2016 #27
I want to know too. It's really weird! betsuni Feb 2016 #26
No shit!! bravenak Feb 2016 #28
We're supposed to scrutinize and compare the candiates before voting. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #29
Alrighty then. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #31
So true! NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #30
Yep bravenak Feb 2016 #33
lol! juxtaposed Feb 2016 #32
One person has expanded their circle and endeavors throughout their career LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #34
Agreed bravenak Feb 2016 #37
And yet, if you scratch that surface, the makeup comes off and you find the heartbreak of psoriasis. Squinch Feb 2016 #40
Because we know that Bernie isn't perfect, but Hillary generally has a much bigger flaw jfern Feb 2016 #35
But you used the hillary defense to answer the hillary defense bravenak Feb 2016 #36
Well, we know that Bernie isn't perfect, but he's pretty good jfern Feb 2016 #39
If you believe the right wing spin machine, I can see how she must seem terrible. However Squinch Feb 2016 #41
Nope, my concerns with her all all from the left jfern Feb 2016 #42
Glass houses, and all that. nt shawn703 Feb 2016 #38
It is an odd phenomenon mcar Feb 2016 #43
K&R fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #44

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. No, they apply the hypocrisy label--most of the time correctly.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

When you attack Sanders with the Hillary campaign smear du jour, it usually involves some issue where Hillary has an even worse REAL problem. You can't attack Bernie for something and not expect Bernie's supporters to counter with an example of Hillary's failure in the same area you are attacking Bernie.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. Sure does. I hope he just comes out and says one way or another tonight
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:55 PM
Feb 2016

That way tomorrow we can discuss important matters

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
20. Can't argue that.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

I guess it all comes down to what the individual voter values most. But it answers your question; if Bernie is better on more issues, he probably makes the best choice for the most number of people. It's just cold hard math.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
12. That should be the case, but in a two way, high stakes race,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

it is zero sum. There can and will be only one winner of the Democratic nomination process.

It's point and counterpoint. Slinging mud, some sticks, some splashes back even worse.

And in my opinion, it's a horrible way to choose a President.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
22. Can't suck that bad. You're a hero to many.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:59 PM
Feb 2016

And you're a fighter, so even those who disagree with you respect you. Keep your head up!
*heh, thought you said sucks to *be* me. I'm'a leave it though. Much respect, bravenak.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
25. It's actually an Internet phenomenon
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

Outside of DU, on everything from Facebook to LTE's, It's being noted and commented on. Fascinating from a sociological and anthropology standpoint, as well as a psychological one I would imagine.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. I find it kinda hoplessly inexplicable.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

Really, it kinda stresses me out in conversation because it goes in circles.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
26. I want to know too. It's really weird!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

It's like if you shout "BERNIE" and the echo comes back as "HILLARY" "HILLARY" "HILLARY" "HILLARY" "DAVID BROCK."

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
30. So true!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

No matter what questions I ask about BS - especially what he knew about his campaign accessing HRC's computer data, posing as union members, unauthorized use of organizations' logos - the answer is always But what about HER!?!"

I think a lot of them know at this point that making HRC look bad is the only way to make Bernie look good.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
34. One person has expanded their circle and endeavors throughout their career
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

placing themselves front and center on the world stage, in the line of fire and never shying away from it. Through the decades of that career that person has come to work with a multitude of people from all walks of life, and from different perspectives. When a person is actually trying, pushing, changing, that person will make mistakes, reassess, grow. And in that career, one will gain a plethora of allies, and of enemies--for if one is really putting themselves out there and pushing, mistakes and enemies come with the successes and allies.

If, on the other hand, you retreat to a safe cloister for the bulk of your political career--where you can burnish your purity of principle and never put it forth to have it challenged beyond the weekly phone calls of fans to a radio show--it is easy to emerge from your cloister unscathed to ride the coattails of discontent and claim unwavering principles and baby-soft skin.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
40. And yet, if you scratch that surface, the makeup comes off and you find the heartbreak of psoriasis.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

jfern

(5,204 posts)
35. Because we know that Bernie isn't perfect, but Hillary generally has a much bigger flaw
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:57 AM
Feb 2016

with the same issue

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
36. But you used the hillary defense to answer the hillary defense
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

Why not judge them separately?

jfern

(5,204 posts)
39. Well, we know that Bernie isn't perfect, but he's pretty good
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016

There's this straw man that we think he's perfect in every way. We don't think that. He's got some flaws. But he'd make an excellent President, and Hillary does poorly in comparison.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
41. If you believe the right wing spin machine, I can see how she must seem terrible. However
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:06 AM
Feb 2016

her record and her policy plans are very impressive.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
42. Nope, my concerns with her all all from the left
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

Too hawkish, too pro free trade, too 3rd way, too triangulating, too friendly with Wall Street.

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