I have to run to take my math test.

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ignoring it, or he just doesn't get it.

are secondary to economic issues because he believes that resolving economic issues will solve racism. He firmly believes that focusing on social issues is nothing but a ploy used by politicians to keep people down and prevent them from standing up for economic reform.

He's totally bassackwards on this if you ask me. But people need to understand his ideology.

To quote:

equality will help that's not the complete fix. It's going to take more. Black man in a Mercedes will still get pulled on for being in the 'wrong' neighborhood. All the income equality won't make that cab stop and pick up the black teenager trying to hail a cab etc..

What's sad is Obama *should* have been able to talk about these things but couldn't, he would have been excoriated by the right and touted as the angry black man. The first AA President has to walk on egg shells while talking about issues that had an effect on AA. Back to white presidents to do the job. That's twisted.

As long as there is someone who can unify people, then the job can be done. Doesn't matter what type of person.

That said, economic equality isn't the complete fix, but it might just be the largest part. Second to that? Awareness. And the BLM movement has done a terrific job of exposing that. Conversation and awareness need to continue. And our nations short attention span shouldn't be allowed to get in the way any longer.

So basically, apply Bernie's economic plan, to a nationwide conversation of racial awareness, and while PoC get lifted up economically, whites and others who are better off, should continue to observe the unfair treatment given to others.

I see that it's a recipe, and the final dish is the solution that will come out of it.

out of hand that our first AA president's hands were tied on truly speaking on race relations is part of the problem.

That you cannot comprehend that one of the most powerful men (at the very least) in the world couldn't not speak out on the plight of AA in the country of which he was the president. The reason? Because white people still had the power, even over him in what he could and couldn't say.

Remember Professor Gates? They flat out called President Obama a racist when he gave his opinion of the situation--he was gonna know his place. Seriously you're asking why it mattered that he wasn't able to speak about it?

I asked why does it matter who speaks about it.

seriously?

President Obama:

his race had nothing to do with why he couldn't talk about it.

you said it yourself, he had to walk on eggshells regarding the subject. it is a shame that the first black president couldn't do more but it's not his fault, nor is it his races fault.

White supremacy didn't want to budge, clearly. but that grip is loosening everyday now. and faster than before I believe.

I give BLM that credit.

now whoever solves the problem will have to be a unifier of the people. whoever that is, can be any race (which was the point I was trying to make)

does that answer make sense?

Graceful, powerful, heads held high while getting the job done.

IF you don't want to address the issue that's fine. But own that.

IF you think you are addressing it, you are mistaken. You simply aren't.

People of color have said this over and over again, and your side does nothing but tell them they are wrong. And then you quote MLK at them, seemingly because you think that will shut them up. I see you did that up thread, and yet the snippet you chose actually supports that other side of the argument from the side you are on. He explicitly said that you need to ADDRESS all three if any of them is to be conquered.

Bernie is not addressing the social side of the issue.

on community policing.

like I said in the other post, it is a shame that Obama, our first black president had to walk on eggshells about it, but as long as white supremacy is relevant, every president will have to walk on eggshells about it.

it's not Obama's fault.

Hillary supporters made that meme up.

doesn't care about the problem.

His lack of address to this issue has been pointed out to him ad nauseam. This thread is full of people talking about why there is no reason why he would need to address it. Proving once again, that there is no regard in the Bernie camp for these issues. AND he is still not addressing it.

The horses have been led to water. Not his problem if they insist on dying of thirst.

convince them.
Sarcasm.

You can't get the backing of the white working class if you talk about black issues.

Though it shows, once again, that he isn't a math guy.

But yes, this is true and let's all be honest about it.

That may be the better play electorally (though even if it is now it certainly won't be for long). I just don't see why people are acting like there's some mysterious thing about it: he wants poor white voters, and to get poor white voters you have to say things that alienate black voters (and vice versa).

And it appears to be the case that he actually doesn't.
Pie in the sky politics will not work with people that are not impressionable.

Entrenched bigotry is a larger problem that did NOT originate with Goldman Sachs and Blackrock.

Doesn't help to assault John Lewis either.

http://www.thewrap.com/bernie-sanders-supporters-pummel-civil-rights-hero-john-lewis-on-twitter-video/

His life in Vermont has clearly shielded him from the troubles of diverse communities.

their failure to support their share of running this country puts an unfair burden on the 99%. Without resources the 99% can't fix our social justice issues. The wealth gap is growing which means that there are less and less resources to feed the poor and keep our people out of being incarcerated. It's naive to think that you can ignore the growing wealth disparity and not understand that as we lose our resources, we lose our freedom. And when amassing an enormous personal wealth is one's first priority, social justice issues take a back seat.

Goldman-Sachs and their paid for politicians don't care about social justice issues. Profits, profits, profits.

I as an older white male could not do any better at that event than Bernie did but I sure as hell would not bring up the 1% vs 99% thing as the answer to Black issues.

You all just keep telling us what the solution is like the right does. They say just add a little conservative ideology on the problem and everything is fine. You all say just fuck over the oligarchs and everything will be fine.



Hillary is right yours is a one issue campaign.

"feels the pain" of the Black community more than Sanders. Congratulations, you win a cookie and a forum with Felicia Perry ("activist" in the OP) the local Black "entrepreneur" and mentor on how to expand on Black entrepreneurship and capitalist social relations in her community. I'm sure there will be much to be discussed on "solutions" for the collective.

You can both start here because the hypocrisy is astounding.

"We have to understand very clearly that there's a man in our community called a capitalist. Sometimes he's black and sometimes he's white. But that man has to be driven out of our community, because anybody who comes into the community to make profit off the people by exploiting them can be defined as a capitalist."

--Fred Hampton - Power Anywhere Where There's People

"That he never met Bernie at the marches and rallies in the '60's. Listen to Harry Belafonte... as he has it figured out. Bernie was not a leader or a person with reputation at that time. No Bernie was just a student who was interested in being part of the civil rights movement by attending the marches. John Lewis would be wise to think more about his constituents and less about being in the tank for Hillary.

and/or hero.

John Lewis isn't losing any credibility with anyone other than a little sliver of people who are willing to throw an undeniable American hero under a bus.

That part was a difficult situation. Good, pointed questions that I think Bernie answered pretty well. The woman that accused him of not being able to say 'black,' wow.

"Sanders was here for “A Community Forum on Black America,” introduced by the local congressman, Rep. Keith Ellison, one of Sanders' only two endorsers in the House"


I think maybe Keith may switch sides though after this.

states.

Neighborhoods Organizing for Change is a great organization that has done a lot of good in the community, but they are not a group that will just play nice.

I knew Bernie would get some tough questions at this event and Hillary would have been challenged just as strongly if she had participated.

While this is a group that will ask very tough questions however they are also a group that appreciates being given the opportunity to ask those questions and I am sure they very much appreciated Sanders attending their forum. They are a very progressive group and I can guarantee many of them will vote for Bernie in the end.

If anyone thinks this is a pro-Hillary group they are wrong, Hillary would have been challenged big time if she had attended.

This is an activist group that is closely tied to Black Lives Matter, but they also do a lot of work organizing the North Minneapolis community to get out the vote and advocate for progressive economic changes.

While it is no surprise that they challenged Bernie, it also will be no surprise when many of them end up voting for him.

I honestly think that Bernie Sanders learns more and more the HONEST way to learn from the black experience. He's not scripted. Why would he be?

Regardless of luck warm or otherwise, he was there to learn from them. Anyone who doesn't know this yet hasn't been comparing and contrasting him from Hillary.

The attitude of "you learn every day" is inculcated in every new thing he's ever done. He's learned. Also, since he's not from the south, he's learned more in this run than I'd say he ever has had the opportunity to learn.

That's so fucking threatening. He hasn't had to have it fed to him by power-broking political analysts, or power-hungry congressional lifers.

I don't mind Bernie taking tough questions at all.

All of these videos are educationally awesome. See what he said directly to their director in the last video and be sure to check out the second video.

http://www.mnnoc.org/iowa

I hope he caught an earful and learns



Thanks for posting

"If that's they way you feel I'll only talk to white people from now on."

Yeah, Bernie's the one that needs to learn something.

It was no 'snap.' Although that characterization sounds... interesting.

Why would someone say something so obviously false? Another person here who saw the talk said the questioner was the one who came off as rude.

the quote is accurate then I'm not sure its unfair of him to answer like that. I imagine anyone would be frustrated in that situation since he clearly wasn't afraid of the word.

presentation. He said it numerous times. I was surprised she didn't get boos, actually. It was blatantly unfair of her.

He/she has their agenda to promote that Bernie has a POC "problem." No actual facts will be allowed.

I want him to win. Glossing over this fact doesn't help us help.him resolve it.

These are good sessions for him to hear their concerns and figure out how to go forward

Have yet to see any evidence of it except for what I read here from a small cadre of people who support his opponent.

I want him to win.

He's got to get up to speed on this and fast. I'm glad they challenged him. Its good

Hillary was not.

What do you consider getting "up to speed?" Is there a test he needs to cram for? He did quite well with minorities in NH, are they somehow different from minorities elsewhere?

I believe them.

We need every vote. The AA community needs him, he needs them. He must figure out the key to reaching as many as he can

But IRL that claim doesn't hold up. Anywhere. But. Here.

I don't believe them.

JRLeft, Rebkeh, Chitown Kev, nyabingi and others

They all say the same thing.

Look, this isn't a slam. I love Bernie and want him to win.

This was a good thing, really

I'm hopeful as well that he can do it!

Certainly may be wrong



Fact remains there are AA DUers here, even if I've miscounted.

She was in South Carolina addressing a predominately black group. She took questions from them. Are they less important?

for stuff that happened decades ago.

The reason I say "general" is because one of the women in that video gave specific examples of things that happened to people or her son (asthma from a garbage burning plant).

Reparations (often referred to as damages) for the tort of causing bodily harm (chemical poisoning) are normally obtained by the injured party (sick child) suing the party that caused the injury (garbage incinerator) for damages and sometimes financial penalties. But it costs money for lawsuits. These people do not have money in many cases. If the case is solid, a lawyer might do it for nothing unless they win (like Erin Brockovich).

Helping citizens get those kinds of reparations - maybe through a Federal legal fund that gets compensated if the damages recovered are substantial might be a way the Federal government could help.

If they're polluting, the EPA or state authorities should be on their case. Maybe learning from Flint, there should be some sort of Federal ombudsman type to investigate situations like Flint where citizens feel an environmental problem hasn't been resolved properly by the State.

If there is discrimination, maybe the same deal.

I'm sure you guys have some better ideas. I suspect Bernie would go along with something like I've laid out.

The one hang up is that he cannot just do that just for Blacks. If Latino, Native American, Asian or even White communities have a similar issue, they should have similar things available to them. Why shouldn't they?

I also liked Bernies answer about Native Americans getting funds to help them and then they design (with some oversight so it doesn't go nuts) how they want to address the problems that they think is best for their people. I'd also turn around and say something similar to the Black communities.

Bernie has been committed to economic justice for all -like MLK was - all his adult life. What he's offering to do to address that is BIG for all those hurting and in poverty right now.

To me, even around here, I feel like we're all around the problem but haven't bridged the gap
Person A: "What is Bernie going to do for Blacks?"
Person B: "Here are the things his policies will do for those in poverty or with low income or in jail ... free tuition, single payer healthcare, $15/hr minimum wage, job creation through infrastructure & clean energy, etc"
Person A: "No I want to know what he's going to do specifically for Blacks"

And that's where we're guessing or shadow boxing. Maybe that's where Bernie's answer to Native Americans might come in: "What do Blacks want or need specifically? Tell me how I can best help." Have the dialogue. I think Blacks would find Bernie very sincere, approachable and interested in any reasonable idea that could help them specifically. He can't read minds. I haven't been able to around here either.

For example, Bernie has said repeatedly 51% of Black high school graduates are unemployed. How do we solve that problem? Bernie could throw money at it. Anyone could do that. But I have questions like "how do we find these kids?" "And when we find them, how do we sell them on giving our program a try? "What job preparation training can be put together to help them become more employable?" "What kinds of jobs are available?" "Can we get some industries to partner with us?" I don't know the answer to those questions but I'll bet the Black community could weigh in and shape that program to give it a much better shot.

Sorry for the long post.

She gave the group the middle finger. They may not have appreciated what Bernie had to say, but he had the respect to show up. Did he get respect in return? Didn't sound like it.

kinda gives the impression that she'd rather meet with her wealthy base than mingle with black people, eh?

She isn't going herself -- just collecting the cash.

Or woman! I don't want to discriminate.

Picking up the dough like a bag man/woman rang a bell. The Clintons have such wondrous compassion for the poor and oppressed people of color abroad.

The Clintons: “We Came, We Stole, Haitians Died”

--Glen Ford

(Snip)

"The Haitian people’s furious resistance to yet another fraudulent presidential election has scuttled U.S. plans to replace “Sweet Mickey” Martelly with another flunky named the “Banana Man.” The aborted fraud is a reminder that Secretary of State Clinton was an imperial bully who rigged the previous presidential election in Haiti and stole the country blind, along with her accomplice and husband, Bill. Those chickens may yet come home to roost."

"The island nation of Haiti is on the verge of finally ejecting the criminal President Michel “Sweet Mickey” Martelly, the dance hall performer and gangster who was foisted on the Haitian people by the United States through the bullying of then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, back in 2011. Martelly’s term is up, and he is constitutionally required to leave office by February 7. Martelly and his American, French and Canadian backers had hoped to use rigged elections and strong-arm tactics to install another puppet politician, Jovenel “The Banana Man” Moise, in the presidential palace. The “Banana Man” – who wants to turn Haiti into a real banana-exporting republic, to the further impoverishment of its small farmers – came in first in an October election that was so blatantly stolen, even the thoroughly corrupt Haitian elite could not endorse the outcome."

"But, even the prospect of a one-man contest could not stop the Americans from insisting on going ahead with the run-off. The U.S., which pays for the Haitian elections and, therefore, believes it has the right to decide who wins and who loses, growled that Haiti should go along with the fraudulent process. The Americans were upset that they might have no reliable replacement for their loyal puppet, “Sweet Mickey.” Plus, the discrediting of the elections would also reflect very badly on presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who claims to have brought stability to Haiti when she was at the State Department but, in fact, is culpable for all of the Haitians who were murdered by the Martelly regime. The truth is that Hillary and Bill were the Bonnie and Clyde of Haiti, robbing the country for their own and other corporate criminals’ benefit. The teams of FBI agents that are now matching Hillary’s emails with contributions to the Clinton Foundation are tapping a Mother Lode of corruption that may yet bring her down before Election Day in the United States."

http://www.blackagendareport.com/clinton_haiti_elections

Where's Meyer Lansky?

in comparison to the death and devastation caused by the policies of the Clintons abroad...

*wink-wink*

And it was a good discussion. Sanders was well received. The questions were very pointed but he did his best to answer. They were difficult since he doesn't have the power to resolve the issues all on his own he needed to talk about what he would want to do. That's tough when a person wants a specific promise to do a specific thing.

There was the one woman who brought the uptick in tension when she said that "scared to say black" which came out of nowhere since he had said it many many times. It was not a continuous feeling at all.

But good for Bernie in facing a tough audience. Hillary didn't even try.

I would let him say it all!!!!! Hell, let him get a turn, I wanted to hear the rest.

I posted my reaction in the Bernie group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280117584

lol.

for not showing up.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackForumMN?src=hash (Beware, lots of ignorant racists are also trolling the hashtag)

Thinker ?@IDoTheThinking 41m41 minutes ago

#BlackForumMN Hearing Sanders speak on the Indian and Black community is great, he's old, he shouts, he can take being shouted at.

It lacks real specifics, questions or quotes from this event excepting the ones in your snip. Those comments illustrate only one POV, and the responses from Senator Sanders are not included. This article is unsatisfactory and doe not provide information enough to make an informed opinion about this event. I would prefer to see a video or a transcript of the event to in order to make a judgement fair to Sen Sanders and to the participants. IMO, It's not really that well written a piece, and uses too much characterization and not enough dissemination of information. I don't have a high opinion of Politico anyway; it's mostly mediocre inside the beltway fare.

forum starts at 2:30:00

Bernie comes on at 2:39; Hillary comes never.

than one who might have some real authentic questions for her? Or, maybe it has something to do with the fact that a staffer I met who was with NOC resigned when Hillary didn't attend a similar event where people from NOC asked questions.
Politics is about relationships and she seems to be ignoring groups she could build some with and gain some credibility among poor people.

Them how she supports them as long as they're just talking about the kinds of things that meet the approval of her suburbanite base. Michael Brown murder . . . crickets . . . Eric Garner murder . . . crickets . . . Eric Holder refusal to take either Federal . . . crickets . . . death penalty . . . crickets . . . reparations . . . crickets . . . micro-aggression on college campuses . . . crickets . . . Righteous black rage on the streets of Ferguson, New York City, Baltimore . . . crickets

Telling
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