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She's. Still. Better. Than. Than. Any. Republican. (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
Of course. villager Feb 2016 #1
That's like saying the flu is better than the plague. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #2
Plague isn't so bad Paulie Feb 2016 #5
That's if it's diagnosed in time, especially the pneumonic form. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #8
Or that Creed is better than Nickelback. n/t enigmatic Feb 2016 #10
Hey! Thems fighting words!! hack89 Feb 2016 #38
or that being punched in the throat is better than being kneed in the nuts (nt) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #44
Yes she is ornotna Feb 2016 #3
Not just better. Paulie Feb 2016 #4
You're in a better place than I am today. Avalux Feb 2016 #6
There will be more of it. I think the thing to do, cali Feb 2016 #16
You're in a better place them I am if you are disheartened CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #45
barely. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #7
Yay tk2kewl Feb 2016 #9
That's a pretty damn low bar Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #22
Yay! The lesser of two evils! bigwillq Feb 2016 #11
Ya, well, ya know, I'm not sure about that 'any' thing... HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #12
Any other? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #13
... RiverLover Feb 2016 #15
It's simple VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #14
She. Is. A. Republican. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #17
!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #19
Not when it comes to voting rights. Or choice. Or immigration cali Feb 2016 #21
I 100% disagree with you. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #26
Well I agree with you. I don't think she has coattails either. cali Feb 2016 #28
You know what I liken all of this conversation to? CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #49
I understand. cali Feb 2016 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #52
A bar that requires explosives and heavy mining equipment to so much as find Fumesucker Feb 2016 #18
Ebola isn't that bad either, in comparison to some other viruses. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #20
sure, getting punched in the face is better than stabbed in the back Amishman Feb 2016 #23
Only in regards to social issues like gay marriage and abortion gyroscope Feb 2016 #24
Voting rights, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security cali Feb 2016 #27
Trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, campaign finance, education, healthcare, parental leave, etc gyroscope Feb 2016 #30
Yes, I know. Which republican is better, on those issues, than she? cali Feb 2016 #31
Better by a hair or two perhaps on some issues gyroscope Feb 2016 #36
On trade, foreign policy, and Wall Street, some are actually better Reter Feb 2016 #37
Which of the current GOP candidates is better? emulatorloo Feb 2016 #41
Just to be clear, I said better on those issues, not overall better Reter Feb 2016 #57
Aversion to new taxes. Can't have universal healthcare. Pro-TPP. Pro-Wall St. Unjustified wars. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #25
Alive, let's not forget Abe, Teddy and Ike who had many faults but used his farewell speech to WARN orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #29
We Us Together - Vs - Me MyBank And I -- The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #32
A. Bank. Robber. Is. Better. Than. Any. Serial. Killer. dchill Feb 2016 #33
I wish she would rob the banks gyroscope Feb 2016 #39
Cali, people can keep saying that but I don't think that is going to sell this year. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #34
I'm not really trying to sell anything, Sky. cali Feb 2016 #35
"Burn down the house " type of supporters just don't care hack89 Feb 2016 #40
Oh, I haven't lost sight which is why the Democratic Establishment needs to wake up and Skwmom Feb 2016 #43
Still. Not. Good. Enough. pengu Feb 2016 #42
Thats a pretty low bar to clear. yourout Feb 2016 #46
Great minds think alike cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #48
That's a really low bar! cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #47
barely Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #50
Unless you are leading up to asking Bernie's supporters to start supporting Hillary RIGHT NOW, djean111 Feb 2016 #53
Ahh... The South Park douche vs turd argument TipTok Feb 2016 #54
Yes, and so would about 200,000,000 other Americans be better that any of ladjf Feb 2016 #55
Can you say....President Trump Cayenneman Feb 2016 #56
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Of course.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

A lot of forest isn't being seen for the trees all over this "discussion" site right now...

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
5. Plague isn't so bad
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

You take a course of antibiotics and you're good to go.

A virus like the rethuglican clown car is quite a bit more worrisome and the vaccine requires herd immunity we don't really have, them being all antivaxers aka Fox News watchers.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. That's if it's diagnosed in time, especially the pneumonic form.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

If antibiotics aren't started within 24 hours of first symptoms, you're usually a goner.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
6. You're in a better place than I am today.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

I am really disheartened by the swiftboating. I don't want to feel forced to vote for someone who acts like a Republican.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. There will be more of it. I think the thing to do,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:55 AM
Feb 2016

at least for me, is step back and think about a republican president with a republican congress. That means that the most vulnerable in our society would be ravaged.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
45. You're in a better place them I am if you are disheartened
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:05 AM
Feb 2016

I think I've reached the point of no return with her.

I would also contend that the Republicans haven't engaged in the Swiftboatting that we saw with photo-gate.

Democrat on Democrat Swiftboatting. Unprecedented.

I think I'm allowed my very unprecedented feels.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. Ya, well, ya know, I'm not sure about that 'any' thing...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

"ANY" puts her in competition with Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt. She has a resume, but not that sort of reputation.

And "ANY" also puts her in competition with any unknown republicans who appear in the future, although the republican party with a future is pretty hard to imagine.


VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
14. It's simple
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

I won't vote for someone I wouldn't willingly give my life for. I don't believe she understands what sending people to die for country really means, given her foreign policy record. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be a war in defense of our Constitution. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be for defending our allies. And I certainly don't believe that if we go to war under her again, it won't result in either the end of the world, or the forwarding of the tired tripe about American Exceptionalism.

I raised my hand and swore an oath to protect the United States, and the Constitution. I do not believe she stands for either, and as such, I can't vote for her.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. Not when it comes to voting rights. Or choice. Or immigration
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:33 AM
Feb 2016

And she's better than any republican on Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
26. I 100% disagree with you.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

She has NO coattails. We lose even more seats in the Senate and the House and if you think the Republican-led Congress/Senate has been obstructionist with Obama, you ain't seen nothin' yet. They HATE her. The country HATES her. She'll never reach the White House.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. Well I agree with you. I don't think she has coattails either.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:22 AM
Feb 2016

In fact, I think she'll significantly depress the democratic and dem oriented vote.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
49. You know what I liken all of this conversation to?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016

And I'm not accusing you of being like this per se. I do get what you are saying. However, Hillary has made it so, so difficult. And that is not your fault.

But it reminds me of the codependent, weak mommy figure who will sporadically call a family meeting and say, "Ok, I know daddy has behaved badly. Really badly. However, he's the head of our family. And we're much better off with his daily emotional assaults and the beatings--than we are without him. Besides, he's much better than Roy down the street. Roy is a meth head. At least daddy doesn't do meth. He just beats us all after drinking a gallon of Jim Beam. Now put on your smiles and count your blessings."

That's what it feels like to me. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #17)

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
23. sure, getting punched in the face is better than stabbed in the back
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

I'd still rather not get hurt at all

we can do better than Hillary.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
24. Only in regards to social issues like gay marriage and abortion
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

on everything else I find it hard to tell the difference between her and a republican.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
30. Trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, campaign finance, education, healthcare, parental leave, etc
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:25 AM
Feb 2016

on these huge issues she is decidely republican

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. Yes, I know. Which republican is better, on those issues, than she?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

All of the republicans are far fucking worse.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
36. Better by a hair or two perhaps on some issues
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

not really significantly better. on others may be even worse.

the biggest issues at stake are foreign policy, defense budget, trade, Wall Street taxation and regulation.
she takes the republican position on all those things.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
57. Just to be clear, I said better on those issues, not overall better
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:00 PM
Feb 2016

Trump is much better on war. He strongly opposed the Iraq war. Both Trump and Cruz oppose a no-fly zone in Syria. Those issues fall into foreign policy. Carson also is quite anti-war, opposing even Afghanistan.

On Wall Street, Cruz and Trump are adamantly against bailouts. Possibly Carson too. Clinton is very pro-Wall Street.

Trump is against NAFTA and the TPP, so he is quite a bit better on trade. Cruz supported it at first, now he says he's against it, so that's pretty much the exact same position as her.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. Aversion to new taxes. Can't have universal healthcare. Pro-TPP. Pro-Wall St. Unjustified wars.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:18 AM
Feb 2016

Better how?

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
29. Alive, let's not forget Abe, Teddy and Ike who had many faults but used his farewell speech to WARN
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

us of the MIC, very prophetic .

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. I'm not really trying to sell anything, Sky.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

I'm finding it to easy these days to lose sight of just what it would mean if we end up with a republican president and a republican congress.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
40. "Burn down the house " type of supporters just don't care
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

which is to be expected when you start bandying around words like "revolution ".

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
43. Oh, I haven't lost sight which is why the Democratic Establishment needs to wake up and
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

smell the coffee. I get it that they desperately want Clinton, but at what cost? A Republican in the Whitehouse? They don't seem to care.

The selling Clinton is not really directed at you. The whole Establishment is trying to sell Clinton. This is only the primary. Can you imagine how bad it is going to be after the Republicans go after her in the GE?




cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
47. That's a really low bar!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

I'm a Bernie fan but yes, Hillary is better than any of the Republicans. So is Martin O'Malley, even though he's dropped out.

 

Roy Ellefson

(279 posts)
50. barely
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:34 AM
Feb 2016

but not by much. The courts are the only possible reason I will hold my nose and vote for HRC...that being said I'm tired of being blackmailed over the courts while the Democratic establishment shows no interest in changing the game and absolutely no interest in most progressive issues (especially the economic issues)....tired of the lip service and my nose hurts from holding it every election.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
53. Unless you are leading up to asking Bernie's supporters to start supporting Hillary RIGHT NOW,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:46 AM
Feb 2016

or are asking Bernie supporters to just meekly accept the Clinton ratfucking, why is this an issue, or why does it even need to be said? Lot if this going around today, seems to me. Takes away from the actual issues. Seems to me it would be more useful after the nominee is chosen.

I am not ever going to be okay with her fondness for war, the TPP, fracking, cluster bombs, keeping the ACA intact for private insurance, or closeness with Wall Street and Kissinger, increased H-1B visas.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
55. Yes, and so would about 200,000,000 other Americans be better that any of
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

the Republican Candidates.

Cayenneman

(10 posts)
56. Can you say....President Trump
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

If it is Hillary vs. Trump....he can easily make the case that she is the corporate candidate and he is against the establishment.

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