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kcjohn1

(751 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:37 PM Feb 2016

Maddow is out to lunch lately

On her show she is basically calling out Sanders saying he is not getting the voter turnout he says he needs to win. Her basic argument is that so far turnout in the primaries is lower than 08 and GOP is having higher turnout so far.

What she is not putting into context is

1) 08 was record year. Obama was once in a generation talent. You don't need to necessary replicate his turnout to consider it success
2) 08 was after 8 years of Bush / Iraq war. Dems were naturally more motivated
3) 08 had 3 credible candidates, while this year its only 2. More candidates = More voter turnouts
4) Primaries are going to be different from general, especially when there is going to be huge distinction between the two candidates. Imagine Bernie vs Trump, and how that is going to drive interest.

And most importantly, 08 resulted in massive Dem congressional advantage. If we can get even close to that, it will be the revolution Bernie is talking about. Hell even if Bernie revolution just results in White House win, that would be great considering this cycle should belong to the GOP.

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Maddow is out to lunch lately (Original Post) kcjohn1 Feb 2016 OP
There is something going on at that network. CentralMass Feb 2016 #1
They aren't saying what I want to hear Dem2 Feb 2016 #3
*amirite ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #10
Cut Rachel some slack Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #9
Bernie criticized the "corporate media" when he was down in the polls, when he was up in the polls, Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #19
Maybe she's subconconsiously trying to get people to go out and vote . . . Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #2
Maybe she will go back to radio someday after she's sold her soul long enough. CentralMass Feb 2016 #4
She's got her orders. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #5
Out to Lunch Indeed The River Feb 2016 #6
yep she is showing her bias again Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #7
See what you did there? farleftlib Feb 2016 #8
#5) Media blackout on positive coverage of most exciting candidate kristopher Feb 2016 #11
Then turn it off. bigwillq Feb 2016 #12
Are you seriously unaware of the damage the media does? Wilms Feb 2016 #20
Neither does complaining about it (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #27
I think the poster started a discussion alerting us to a potential bias. Wilms Feb 2016 #29
She changed her attitude the day Ed Shultz got fired. DirtyHippyBastard Feb 2016 #13
Career moves vs. being a Martyr Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #22
I think she's... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #14
No, see, the entire wildeyed Feb 2016 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #37
Rachel? The one who gave Hillary an hour long jillan Feb 2016 #16
Rachel's not the only one left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #17
She had a total non-story about a Nevada poll DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #18
Maybe because it is news that the poll is totally unreliable. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #23
I'm glad she reported on the poll. Did you read the totally loaded floppyboo Feb 2016 #31
Bigger issue... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #21
Rachel wants a woman president. Which I understand to a point. nt Logical Feb 2016 #24
At what price ? CentralMass Feb 2016 #25
I agree, that is why I said "to a point". nt Logical Feb 2016 #26
Rachel wants to keep her cushy corporate job. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #33
Nonsense mythology Feb 2016 #28
I was not talking about rest of states kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #32
It's obviously another conspiracy. n/.t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #30
Nope. Just a corporate stooge, being a corporate stooge. AzDar Feb 2016 #38
Dem turnout numbers are a huge source of concern. We won't win Arazi Feb 2016 #34
She didn't tell the whole story. moondust Feb 2016 #35
Rachel either doesn't understand math or politics or is in the bag for Clinton. Bernblu Feb 2016 #36
Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Feb 2016 #39
Very interesting information. Thanks very much for posting. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #40
What she is saying she has numbers and FACTS to back it up. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #41

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
10. *amirite
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

If one is going post glibness, it should be properly spelled.

And before you go all "pro-whomever-it-is-you're-supporting" I'm whatever with the two candidates.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
19. Bernie criticized the "corporate media" when he was down in the polls, when he was up in the polls,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

during his victory speech after New Hampshire and in last night's debate in Wisconsin.

You won't see Bernie criticizing the corporate media in snippets of last night's debate or the other occasions on television, those parts are always edited out but the corporate media has taken notice.

Bernie has plenty of good reason to do so, our media is dysfunctional and dominated by the almighty mega-dollar just as the government is, but I have no doubt the bosses in the ivory towers of the six corporate media conglomerates which control 90+ % of everything the 300 million American People see on television, hear on radio and read in printed publications have made their opinions known and even if they haven't the well paid pundits no matter the network knows who cuts their checks.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
2. Maybe she's subconconsiously trying to get people to go out and vote . . .
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016

I crack myself up sometimes.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
5. She's got her orders.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016

And who knows, maybe she's on board with them. We're in a Democratic Party civil war.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
7. yep she is showing her bias again
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

Now highlighting one poll and saying how Bernie is not tied. I would rather see the BIG DNC story. But that might not look good for Hillary of DWS.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
8. See what you did there?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

Putting things into historical context? Not just cherry picking the one thing that could diminish Sanders historic win in NH and making it the center of a biased agenda?

That's called journalism and you're doing it but highly-paid Rachel Maddow chooses not to. I wish we had peeps like you covering the primary season.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. #5) Media blackout on positive coverage of most exciting candidate
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

In a very real sense she is reporting the results of her station's efforts.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
12. Then turn it off.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

Why do people still watch cable news? Just to complain? Turn it off. Problem solved.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
20. Are you seriously unaware of the damage the media does?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

I turned it off and that didn't solve any problems I'm aware of.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
29. I think the poster started a discussion alerting us to a potential bias.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Rachel is well respected. And there have been a few post critically examining her program of late and raising reasonable questions.

That is actually a tremendous service we are afforded here on DU. Please try not to complain about it.

DirtyHippyBastard

(217 posts)
13. She changed her attitude the day Ed Shultz got fired.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Before the firing, you could tell she was pro-Sanders. After, she didn't mention his name unless she had to. I guess I can't blame her for wanting to keep her job, but I do.

 

Iggy Knorr

(247 posts)
22. Career moves vs. being a Martyr
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure she thinks she's doing the greater good but she never seemed bothered by the MIC after her embedded(?) press tour of Afghanistan.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
14. I think she's...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

...correct. Iowa and NH had record turnout - for the Republicans. Democratic turnout was down.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
15. No, see, the entire
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

argument has been that only Sanders can turn the dems out and unify the base. Right? The yuuuuuge voter turnout!!11!!1 Which is not happening.

Wait, is Maddow under the bus now too? Cool. I always liked her. It's a partaaaay under here now

Response to wildeyed (Reply #15)

jillan

(39,451 posts)
16. Rachel? The one who gave Hillary an hour long
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

Infomercial the night before New Hampshire ? That Rachel?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
18. She had a total non-story about a Nevada poll
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

Reported there was a poll showing the race tied but then, surprise! Turns out it's a totally unreliable poll by a republican pollster commissioned by a right wing website. Uh, okay. Why did you report on it at all?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
23. Maybe because it is news that the poll is totally unreliable.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

Or should the media only report news that favors Bernie? Is that your idea of a fair media? How about if media reports all of the news, and (geez, I know this sound like the Fox news slogan) let the voters decide?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
31. I'm glad she reported on the poll. Did you read the totally loaded
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

questions? And the claim of 2.9% accuracy? Something was very fishy. Inquiring minds need to know.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
21. Bigger issue...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

as far as Bernie goes is that MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the media put a blackout on him pretty much all through 2015. A lot of people around the country are trying to get to know him. Almost all of the coverage has been for Trump and Hillary.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
28. Nonsense
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Rachel Maddow isn't being biased because you don't like what she's saying.

But yes Sanders does need to replicate Obama's success given that Obama didn't beat Clinton by much and in theory she and her team learned from that experience. So Sanders needs to be at or above the Obama level to beat Clinton. So far he's 1 for 2 in that regard, but he's also facing less favorable upcoming states. For whatever reason, Sanders has lagged in polling with minority groups. Given how important it was for Obama's ability to win the nomination, it does impact his ability to edge out Clinton.

We aren't going to get close to the majority in the House that we had in 2008. The House is substantially gerrymandered such that Democrats won a majority of the votes in House races in 2012 but only won 46% of the seats. By one estimate, Democratic candidates would have to win 55% of the vote to take the majority. That is exceedingly unlikely to happen.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
32. I was not talking about rest of states
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Her whole segment was just about Iowa/NH. We have yet to see other states, so its not fair to comment.

In terms of house. 08, Dems won 52% of total votes & 233 seats. 12, GOP won 52% of total votes & 244 seats. The whole point of Sanders revolution is to reach voters who typically say the two parties are the same. No matter who GOP put up, there will be clear and distinctive differences between the two. Obama was all about hope and change, and he was not specific about anything. Bernie is putting 1) Single Payer Health Care 2) $15 minimum wage 3) Free Tuition 4) Increase in SS payments, etc.

I don't see a scenario in which voters vote for Bernie and his "radical" ideas, and also vote for GOP congressman who is taking opposing view.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
34. Dem turnout numbers are a huge source of concern. We won't win
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

One this current trajectory



Please read this thread .There's trouble ahead

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511210373

moondust

(19,993 posts)
35. She didn't tell the whole story.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

In her segment on "low turnout" she failed to mention that Bernie garnered the highest number of votes ever in New Hampshire primaries. Apparently someone else's voters didn't show up or something.

I'll pretend it was an oversight.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
36. Rachel either doesn't understand math or politics or is in the bag for Clinton.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie, if you include his 2000 Republican write in votes, received 38,000 more votes than anyone else in a New Hampshire primary ever! To say that he didn't bring out the vote is journalistic malpractice.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
39. Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016

No one has seen any evidence of the so-called Sanders revolution https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/

Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.

To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."

In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.

To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.

Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
41. What she is saying she has numbers and FACTS to back it up.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

Being objective and not agreeing with DU Sanders supporters is not mutually exclusive. Sometimes both can be absolutely true FACT.

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