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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:58 PM Feb 2016

Warning signs for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina


Even before Sen. Bernie Sanders began surging in early state and national polls, the Hillary Clinton campaign viewed South Carolina as her firewall, mainly due to her much higher standing and name recognition with black voters. But there are signs that the Clinton team may be falling behind the Sanders campaign, both in terms of organizing on the ground and exciting black voters, even as former Secretary Clinton maintains a large lead in the polls and prognosticators like FiveThirtyEight.com give her overwhelming odds of winning the state’s primary in two weeks.

As of last week, the Clinton campaign had only two campaign offices in South Carolina: one in Charleston and another in the capital, Columbia, with just 14 full-time staffers including state director Clay Middleton. The campaign also has nine “get out the vote” sites – smaller-scale sites devoted to turnout – across the state.

The Sanders campaign, meanwhile, had 240 staffers on the ground as of last week – 80 percent of them African-American – spread across 10 offices statewide.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warning-signs-hillary-clinton-south-carolina
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Warning signs for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina (Original Post) INdemo Feb 2016 OP
And THAT is why we keep pumping regular citizen money to Bernie Trajan Feb 2016 #1
yep. and I've never ever donated so much to one campaign PatrynXX Feb 2016 #27
The odds are better than the lotto Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #33
Amen! appalachiablue Feb 2016 #60
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #75
Isn't that the truth? I consider it money well spent too. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #74
Bernie's Management Team Is First Rate! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #32
I think so too. avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #73
Damn Bernie's ground game in SC is torching Clinton's DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #2
This is also about Hillary Clinton not being prepared because she INdemo Feb 2016 #9
they said she put 99% of her resources into Iowa. She is doing a very roguevalley Feb 2016 #18
I heard ninety percent Trajan Feb 2016 #31
I think being caught flat footed is an... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #41
She put NINETY percent of her bank into Iowa ... Trajan Feb 2016 #46
they expected an easy coronation restorefreedom Feb 2016 #57
She thought the crown was fitted just for her! snowy owl Feb 2016 #45
Dinner hell greiner3 Feb 2016 #61
Breaking down the 'Wall', brick by brick. It's happening! appalachiablue Feb 2016 #62
If Bernie is going to win the nomination, it's going to be b/c of his ground game enigmatic Feb 2016 #3
Rachel Maddow showed a chart of voter registrations over roguevalley Feb 2016 #19
I know a number of Republicans PatrynXX Feb 2016 #30
The libertarians all wanted the free market to punish the banks Volaris Feb 2016 #34
Term limits have not worked well in California in my opinion. Just saying! JDPriestly Feb 2016 #85
Have a Facebook friend who calls Ron Paul his hero. LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #42
Just read an interview w Ron Paul Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #80
Today, MSNBC's Joy Reid Talks to AA voters in South Carolina, Finds No Clinton Supporters appalachiablue Feb 2016 #29
I heard that too. kracer20 Feb 2016 #37
Sanders support, visibility, election wins and media attention have picked up recently appalachiablue Feb 2016 #43
Okay, that pic of the dude in the t-shirt is proof cui bono Feb 2016 #65
Or maybe he really means BURN!, hope not! appalachiablue Feb 2016 #69
Early voting is huge. SheilaT Feb 2016 #51
Early voting is extremely important and good it's being used. After the appalachiablue Feb 2016 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #38
She also has the entire Black Congressional Caucus, Jim Clyburn, Obama and about a million Dems leftofcool Feb 2016 #4
Agreed SheenaR Feb 2016 #5
My Congressman - Representive Ellison - is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and he's a myrna minx Feb 2016 #6
He is awesome indeed! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #12
they have the lobbyist pac of the CBC and a lot of government officials roguevalley Feb 2016 #20
excellent point wouldsman Feb 2016 #22
All you have to do is look at the approval rating for Congress Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #36
Lol! THAT is a good one, Cassiopeia!!! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #56
LOL! cui bono Feb 2016 #67
And yet Obama has not in fact said any such thing. You feel free to speak for him which is odd. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #7
Obama? Really now? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #8
She has the Black Congressional Caucus PAC. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #16
These endorsements arent helping her. They only reinforce that she's establishment Arazi Feb 2016 #23
+1 TubbersUK Feb 2016 #26
No she does not Larkspur Feb 2016 #53
+1 Along with Maxine Waters and James Clyburn, Rep. Barbara Lee of Oakland, CA appalachiablue Feb 2016 #59
Keith Ellison changed his mind? When was that? n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #66
She has the Black Congressional Caucus PAC, not the "entire Black Congressional Caucus" n/t markpkessinger Feb 2016 #81
No, she doesn't. n/t bvf Feb 2016 #83
Wonder what happens if Bernie takes both Nevada and SC? yourout Feb 2016 #10
A state of shock in DNC headquarters. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #13
The corporate bosses will not be pleased AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #28
If Bernie takes both Nevada and SC enigmatic Feb 2016 #15
They'll draft Biden pinebox Feb 2016 #63
I agree but I dont believe if and when the Bernie Sanders movement INdemo Feb 2016 #71
They might try to draft Biden, SheilaT Feb 2016 #89
It is a long shot ...but Bernie at this point is gaining huge momentum INdemo Feb 2016 #21
I guess you missed the new polls? leftofcool Feb 2016 #90
That's Okay. Under Bernie's plan, they'll have health care. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #72
How? LAS14 Feb 2016 #87
Literally phoning it in in South Cackalacky.. frylock Feb 2016 #11
I find this data fascinating since I am seeing this locally as well nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #14
A couple of months ago the Hillary supporters SheilaT Feb 2016 #17
And when all else fails, she'll try to make all the Super Delegates SoapBox Feb 2016 #48
The Super Delegates are a small portion of the votes/delegates SheilaT Feb 2016 #52
African-Americans fo Bernie group on Facebook noiretextatique Feb 2016 #86
Go, Bernie... GO!! AzDar Feb 2016 #24
Debbie opened up the flood gates for Wall Street money to pour into team Clinton. But you can't whereisjustice Feb 2016 #25
Which plays right into Bernie's hands. Ads fuel to his fiery message. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #35
Right. The DNC can pour unlimited amounts into her campaign too. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #44
Can they? Larkspur Feb 2016 #54
You may be right, Larkspur. Maybe that's just in the General. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #55
Which will be interesting when Bernie is the nominee. cui bono Feb 2016 #70
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #39
k & r (nt) pat_k Feb 2016 #40
She and Camp Weathervane are so arrogant... SoapBox Feb 2016 #47
yes arrogance politicians shouldn't use minority groups Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #68
K & R Thanks much for the in depth article by MSNBC, very well done. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #49
Keep in mind she didn't feel the NEED for a ground game in SC.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #50
This was such a "take-it-for-granted-firewall" for Hillary since she anounced tha if she doesn't win WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #64
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #76
Wow. I am impressed. 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #77
K&R - GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #78
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #79
If she's bailing on SC then Jarqui Feb 2016 #82
Give me a change to bet on a better future for our children . . . DrBulldog Feb 2016 #84
I was in the Greenville, SC office today. stage left Feb 2016 #88
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
1. And THAT is why we keep pumping regular citizen money to Bernie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

He is using OUR money to fight the good fight ...

What an honor it is to be a part of this ..

GO BERNIE! ...

Here goes another twenty!

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
27. yep. and I've never ever donated so much to one campaign
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

I know full well it's a bet but it's a bet on winning

2. Damn Bernie's ground game in SC is torching Clinton's
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is depending on name recognition taking her to a win. She also has fewer donors & more large donors who have maxed out. She has to spread her money out whereas Sanders has a well he can keep going back to.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
9. This is also about Hillary Clinton not being prepared because she
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

and DWS thought it was a done deal for Hillary once she announced and simply did not and does not have a real strategy for
SC and NV to combat a Challenger...and if we look ahead to Super Tuesday states if the Clinton campaign has to focus heavily on NV and SC then she could have a problem there..I know here comes the polling numbers but for Super Tuesday states but SC was once out of play is now winnable for Bernie as is NV

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
18. they said she put 99% of her resources into Iowa. She is doing a very
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

trumpian thing relying on name to draw folks in like he did in Iowa and we know how that turned out. Hence, fundraisers in Mexico with Walmart shills and the rules change in the DNC. Obama is now to hold part of the blame of that by keeping DWS in place.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
31. I heard ninety percent
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

Close enough ... she's been caught flat footed by a surprising Bernie juggernaut ...

All those months they pretended ... 'Bernie who?'

Now he's eaten their lunch and is HUNGRY for some dinner! ...

Their strategy has been ... Let's say, lackluster ... Ineffective ... Wrong headed ....

The proof is in the pudding ...

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
41. I think being caught flat footed is an...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

Excellent way to put it. I think up until a few weeks before Iowa, the Hillary campaign never took Bernie very seriously, and never imagined he would pose any threat. As a result, they got lazy and didn't organize at all for a protracted primary, but instead started looking ahead to the ge.

Kind of like a sports team that looks past a lesser team they have to play to get to the championship game, and end up getting their clocks cleaned by said lesser team

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
46. She put NINETY percent of her bank into Iowa ...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:46 AM
Feb 2016

What a disaster ... Who's running their campaign?

It's actually quite embarrassing as a Democrat ...

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
3. If Bernie is going to win the nomination, it's going to be b/c of his ground game
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

People on the ground, knocking on doors, engaging the communities.

It's working.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
19. Rachel Maddow showed a chart of voter registrations over
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

a period of election cycles in Nevada and this one the registration is through the roof. The pugs have nothing going on so outside groups are registering them. She hinted that Bernie is the reason for the huge upswing. Nevada is going to be amazing. If they registered voters, they know how and where to caucus. she may get dumped on her head in Nevada and the shaky ground in SC is a good sign too. Hubris goeth before a fall.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
30. I know a number of Republicans
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

they don't see anyone they like and they don't want trump and they are crossing the lines for Bernie , nevermind the Libertarians seem to love his anti wall street message. Risky but smart.


and Libertarians are not Tea Party.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
34. The libertarians all wanted the free market to punish the banks
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

When the banks didn't ALLOW that to happen, I think enough of them decided it was time to remove private money from the process of governing. We might have to trade public financing of elections for some nonsense concessions on term limits or some other bullshit, but the LIBERTARIANS will deal. The TeaParty that would back Cruz and vote for their own economic death warrants..not so much. Babie jebus and such.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
85. Term limits have not worked well in California in my opinion. Just saying!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:23 PM
Feb 2016

We don't need the Libertarian votes that badly. They don't know what it is like to constantly get inexperienced politicians in public office. And it means that politicians are looking for their next job while serving in public office. It's worse in that respect than the Citizens United campaign financing reality.

Term limits are not helpful. They sound good, but they are counter-productive.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
42. Have a Facebook friend who calls Ron Paul his hero.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

Guess what? He's a huge Bernie fan and will vote for him in the primary. Bernie's anti Wall Street message is resonating with people across the political spectrum.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
80. Just read an interview w Ron Paul
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

He didn't exactly endorse Bernie but was positive about him. Could bring many young libertarians in.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
29. Today, MSNBC's Joy Reid Talks to AA voters in South Carolina, Finds No Clinton Supporters
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016


Feeling the Bern in The Palmetto State!



(Joy Reid is considered a Clinton supporter)



Justin Bamberg, South Carolina State Rep. and attny. endorsed Bernie Jan. 25, and dropped Clinton.

MORE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017329310

kracer20

(199 posts)
37. I heard that too.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:40 AM
Feb 2016

The statement of "No Clinton Supporters" was repeated so many times, it got me thinking. Are they trying to get the Hillary supporters worried and get them out, or trying to get Bernie supporters complacent thinking he has it in the bag.

Or I'm just paranoid...

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
43. Sanders support, visibility, election wins and media attention have picked up recently
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

for sure yet Bernie has been campaigning in S.C. since August and visited in Jan. for civil rights events. Members of the CBC/Congressional Black Caucus haven't been sent there just recently for nothing, as the media is reporting, if that's the case. The increase for him there and in Nevada is real, supporters are working hard and momentum is growing, yuge.

-SANDERS ENDORSED BY KEY SOUTH CAROLINA DEMOCRAT - The Hill, Feb, 3, 2016

Former South Carolina Democratic Party chairman Richard Harpootlian on Wednesday endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for president.
"You sort of say, 'Well, can he do it?' " Harpootlian said, according to the New York Times. "It's like 2007, when I met Barack Obama fully intending to support Hillary Clinton. And after a half hour with him he convinced me, not convinced me so much as I saw a passion in him.

Hillary is not an agent of change — I mean, her campaign slogan should be, ‘It’s my turn,’ ” he added.
“It’s hard for me to listen to how Hillary says she would fight Wall Street when she took hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs — not 20 years ago, but a couple years ago. She’s talking the talk, but not walking the walk.”



Richard Harpootlian served twice as the Democratic Party Chairman in South Carolina, 1998-2003 and 2011-2013 -

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268162-former-south-carolina-dem-party-chair-endorses-sanders
__________

*FEELING THE BERN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA- THE BERNIE SANDERS RALLY*

Aug. 22, 2015, 7 p.m., Charleston Convention Center. Rock music blared from speakers. Crowds cheered and waved signs. Couples danced together, laughing and smiling. What would appear to be a summer music festival was quite the opposite – this was the Bernie Sanders rally. Over 3,150 South Carolinians journeyed to North Charleston to get a glimpse at the newest candidate to enter the presidential race. Pictured here, Sanders incites the crowd with a rousing speech, (Photo Credits to Michael Wiser)



One of three opening speakers at the rally was Tristan Fletcher, a junior at the College of Charleston. He supported Sanders’ plan for free public education at the collegiate level. “College is an expensive proposition for us,” he remarked. “Countries all over the world are providing free and inexpensive education for their youth.” Yet, Fletcher’s cousin, like far too many American students, he said, will graduate from medical school with over 250,000 dollars in debt.
When Sanders rose to the stage, the audience erupted in cheers and chants, yelling “Bernie, Bernie, Bernie” while waving campaign signs. Sanders touched upon many key components of his campaign such as increasing minimum wage and stopping corporate greed. He especially emphasized his policy on free education at the collegiate level. Sanders wants to place a “Robin Hood” tax on stock transactions on Wall Street, taxing the wealthy to serve the middle and lower classes.

“You can’t have it all,” Sanders stated emphatically. “You cannot take advantage of all the benefits of America if you refuse to accept your responsibilities as Americans.” He then spoke on youth unemployment, citing statistics that 5.5 million of Americans between the ages of 17 and 20 are unemployed. This rate, Sanders claimed, is directly related to the fact that America has more citizens incarcerated than any other country in the world. “We are turning our backs on young people… We need to invest in jobs and education,” he resolved.
Sanders’ platform also includes raising minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15.00. Dubbing the new wage as a national living wage, Sanders argued that any working citizen laboring 40 hours a week should not have to live in poverty or have to keep multiple jobs to provide for their family.

Many of the attendees carried signs or wore shirts displaying the popular campaign slogan: Feel the Bern, a pun on candidate Sanders' name. (Photo Credits: Michael Wiser)



Sanders maintained his hard positioning throughout the rally, hoping to inspire the audience to join in his “so called” political revolution. Sanders concluded, “Corporate greed is destroying America, it is immoral and unsustainable. You and I, together, we are going to change that.”
>Attendees of the rally came from all over the state. Avid Bernie supporters Steven and Joy Austen, for example, drove 150 miles from Rock Hill, S.C. When asked why he would make such a trek to see Sanders, Steven replied, “Because Bernie is really progressive and is trying to do things that should have been done a long time ago.”College of Charleston student Kylie Beall found Sanders’ stance on the rising cost of collegiate level education to be the most resounding issue .
>“A lot of kids are really in debt now because of school or they can’t get jobs,” Kylie stated. “I just don’t think any of the new candidates would address the issues of the younger generation that’s going to inherit the earth.”

http://site.cisternyard.com/2015/08/27/feeling-the-bern-in-charleston-the-bernie-sanders-rally/



- Sen. Bernie Sanders Speaks to Students at St. Benedict's College in Columbia, South Carolina.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280111433

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=111534

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
65. Okay, that pic of the dude in the t-shirt is proof
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

that it ain't just Teabaggers who don't know how to spell.

It's Feel the BERN, not Burn!


Or maybe that's a Hillary supporter trying to make us look stupid.


 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
51. Early voting is huge.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:41 AM
Feb 2016

Because once someone has early voted, there's no more opportunity to change their mind.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
58. Early voting is extremely important and good it's being used. After the
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

Feb. 11 Dem. Debate, S.C. Rep. Justin Bamberg comments why Bernie is picking up steam in South Carolina not only among young voters under 30, but 'the cutoff is 50' as the Sanders message reaches more and more people.





Retired Veteran Bob Meyers of Columbia, S.C. says how he supports and loves Bernie, and 90% of the people don't have the good health care he has and educational opportunities he had as a veteran through the GI Bill.

Response to enigmatic (Reply #3)

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
6. My Congressman - Representive Ellison - is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and he's a
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders supporter.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
20. they have the lobbyist pac of the CBC and a lot of government officials
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

endorsing her but government officials are the kiss of death. If you want to identify the establishment candidate, find the one with the most government official endorsements. This year, that is the kiss of death. she wanted to create a facade of power and backers but it doesn't mean dick to the electorate. They know who they want and it isn't some someone adorned with these endorsements. She's building a house of cards and Bernie is the strong breeze coming.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
36. All you have to do is look at the approval rating for Congress
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

to see how valuable those endorsements are.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
16. She has the Black Congressional Caucus PAC.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

That's not the same as having "the entire Black Congressional Caucus."

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
23. These endorsements arent helping her. They only reinforce that she's establishment
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

It's a huge turn off for those sick of the status quo

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
53. No she does not
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

Clyburn and other CBC members have not endorsed yet.

Hillary got the endorsement of the CBC PAC, not the CBC itself. Keith Ellison is a CBC member and he endorsed Bernie. Maxine Waters said she has not endorsed yet.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
59. +1 Along with Maxine Waters and James Clyburn, Rep. Barbara Lee of Oakland, CA
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

the former Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus also stated she hasn't endorsed yet to Amy Goodman on the Democracy Now! program Feb. 11.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/11/as_congressional_black_caucus_pac_prepares

http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Rep-Barbara-Lee-among-top-African-American-6825031.php

yourout

(7,531 posts)
10. Wonder what happens if Bernie takes both Nevada and SC?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

It's a long shot I know but party leaders might stroke out if it does happen.

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
15. If Bernie takes both Nevada and SC
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

There's either going to be an all-out war on Bernie and his supporters by Hillary/DNC that will fracture the Democratic Party beyond repair, and/or Bloomberg will enter the race as a fallback for Wall Street if Hillary's campaign implodes even more than they have already.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
63. They'll draft Biden
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

And they will forever fracture the party and many people will move to be Greens which will make them a big party.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
71. I agree but I dont believe if and when the Bernie Sanders movement
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

reaches the point where Hillary's campaign looks defeated a draft Biden movement would go forward. It would erase everything Biden has stood for his whole political career and he will decline. So there may be some efforts by DWS to stop Bernie Sanders at the convention but I believe his "revolution" will have drawn so many supporters by then it will be unstoppable especially after Bernie Sanders has picked his VP.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
89. They might try to draft Biden,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

but it's already too let for him to get on at least some primary ballots. Plus, he does not have a staff or any organization to run campaign. So that simply is not going to happen.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
21. It is a long shot ...but Bernie at this point is gaining huge momentum
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

and the Hillary camp is loosing support. We have to continue giving our 10s and 20s
and we can do this...

Bill is due for another one of his 1990 Karl Rove style attacks so that should bring in a lot of contributions for Bernie ...







Go Bernie !!!!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
11. Literally phoning it in in South Cackalacky..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

as in Bill feverishly dialing numbers and calling in chits.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. I find this data fascinating since I am seeing this locally as well
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

I said to a regular here over PM that I saw Bernie building the 2008 coalition all over again. There are certainly some variations, but if this is what is happening, the party power brokers are going to have some issues... And yes, expect the campaign to get infinintely more dirty. You thought photo gate was ratfucking, just wait. That was a practice run.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. A couple of months ago the Hillary supporters
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

were all confidently assuring us that Bernie had no ground game, and she did. What happened?

Actually, I'm pretty sure I know what happened. Hillary & Co got overconfident. They thought she was assured the nomination (inevitable, I think was the word being used) and after an initial flurry of staffing last summer, let everything fall apart. Meanwhile, to their utter surprise and shock, Bernie Sanders (a Socialist for crying out loud) didn't just fade away, even though until maybe two weeks ago the mainstream media totally ignored him. Meanwhile, his supporters kept on giving money, in small amounts, and opening offices on their own, and doing phone banking and then going to Iowa, and New Hampshire, and now they're going to Nevada. And her assured strong victory in Iowa turned out to be a squeaker -- heck, it's more than possible Bernie actually won by a tiny amount -- and New Hampshire was a total rout.

So now the fallback is "Black people support Hillary!". And back last summer, when Bernie was being slammed by the Black Lives Matter movement, too many of whom unfortunately had no idea of his history in the civil rights movement, Hillary actually said, while talking to Black activists saying things she didn't want to hear, ". . . then I will only talk to white people . . ."

I think perhaps word of that exchange is getting around, and I think many more black people are understanding how positions she championed back in the 1990s have been so terrible for the black community.

Addendum: I have two good friends who moved from other parts of the country to South Carolina within the past few years, both to be with family. While I understand that impetus, I honestly don't know how they tolerate the political climate there. One, who has been there for nearly a decade, is planning to relocate, probably to Massachusetts. The other will probably remain in SC so long as her son lives there.

Where we live is usually a confluence of opportunity, inertia, and chance. I've lived in several different parts of the country myself, and I understand all of that.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
48. And when all else fails, she'll try to make all the Super Delegates
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:59 AM
Feb 2016

defy the votes of the citizens and push her through to the nomination.

My advice to the DNC, DWS and those rigged up Super Delegates...don't even go there.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
52. The Super Delegates are a small portion of the votes/delegates
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:48 AM
Feb 2016

needed at the convention to win the nomination.

Historically the Super Delegates have gone with the candidate who got the most votes/delegates during the primary season.

These are not people who are so totally beholden to Hillary that they will stay with her to the bitter end. More to the point, it's very important to understand that the SDs are not rigged in any way. They are elected Democrats, for the most part, who are entitled by their office to be at the National Convention and cast a vote. They are going to go with the majority.

Back in 2008, I seem to recall, that people here were also freaking out over the Super Delegates. Chill. If in the end Hillary really does win enough primaries and caucuses, of course they will stick with her. I am sincerely hoping Bernie does vastly better in the next few months.

Maybe we should be making book on when she'll bow out, and how spending time with her grandchildren will be deemed the most important thing in her life, all of a sudden.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
86. African-Americans fo Bernie group on Facebook
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

Is gaining more members every day. I was on today, and many people were expressing displeasure (to put it mildly) about her "pulling the Obama card" in the debate. Honestly, she has proven to far more tonedeaf than Sanders.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
25. Debbie opened up the flood gates for Wall Street money to pour into team Clinton. But you can't
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

buy what she's missing. There's just no money in this world.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
54. Can they?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary has not won the nomination, so not sure if the DNC can actually write her a check.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
70. Which will be interesting when Bernie is the nominee.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

They'll be trying to shove Wall Street money to his campaign and he'll keep telling them to cut it out.



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SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
47. She and Camp Weathervane are so arrogant...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:56 AM
Feb 2016

That they've just been talking the African American community and their votes, for granted.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
68. yes arrogance politicians shouldn't use minority groups
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is like Ann Romney she is so rich and tells them to heel - she doesn't resonate with young black people.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
50. Keep in mind she didn't feel the NEED for a ground game in SC....
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

Then remember she spent 90% of her resources already in Iowa.

Good thing her interns are unpaid or she'd be in real trouble!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
64. This was such a "take-it-for-granted-firewall" for Hillary since she anounced tha if she doesn't win
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Feb 2016
WTHFiveThirtyEight is predicting it's lights for Hillary

Here's the math

1+2 = Bernie probability of winning the primary 97%

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
77. Wow. I am impressed.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

Everything is stacked against Bernie Sanders but sometimes I think that he might just run away with this thing.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
82. If she's bailing on SC then
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is evidently making so much progress with the black vote that she is cutting her losses.

That's still hard to believe.

Seemed unlikely after what they've done to Bernie with civil rights over the last few days and all the endorsing surrogates they had in the news and working in SC recently.

But the Reuters poll indicates Sanders is closing the gap with blacks substantially
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/SC_RACE:2,PD1:1/dates/20160112-20160212/type/day
(saw this on DKos)

If that is so and Bernie has closed also closed the gap with Latinos in Nevada, Hillary's campaign is in real trouble. Maybe they hope to regroup for Super Tuesday.

Of course, the email problem continue to bruise her
Obama Intel Chief: Hillary Clinton should withdraw from presidential race • 2/12/16



More Hillary Clinton Emails Released, Including 3 Now ‘Secret’, 84 more classified
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/politics/more-hillary-clinton-emails-released-including-3-now-secret.html

And CNN talked about the Clinton Foundation getting subpoenaed ...




 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
84. Give me a change to bet on a better future for our children . . .
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

. . . and I will do it EVERY TIME!

stage left

(2,962 posts)
88. I was in the Greenville, SC office today.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

My first time knocking doors. I was phonebanking before. There were a couple of dozen teams out canvassing as well as phone bankers. Two of those teams had Spanish speakers and they were going into Hispanic neighborhoods.We had volunteers in from Indiana as well as North Carolina to work on turning the heat up for Bernie. It's Bernie Y'all.

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