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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:03 PM Feb 2016

Sanders's plan to fix wall street will not solve oppression in our country.

Let's say that with a magic wand we fixed a "rigged economy" and reign in Wall Street. How will this break down the barriers of racism, sexism, discrimination against the LGBT, generational poverty, and the attacks against worker's right?

Everyday, we are fighting against the Republican onslaught on voting rights. States are passing the so called Voting ID laws that suppress the votes of people of color.

Oppression will not go away. You said that your economic plan would take black kids off of street corners and put them to work. How the hell does this address the problems of racism in our country? How does this solve the hate and oppression in our country? How the hell does this break down the barriers in our country?

How the hell is your plan to fixed our "rigged economy" going to fix the sexism that women face everyday. Roe v Wade is eroded every year. The domestic violence against women is out of control. Women clinics are bombed. How the hell is your plan going to break the barriers of sexism in our country?

LGBT are ridiculed every single day. They can get married on a Saturday, but fired on Monday. The suicide rates among LGBT youth is higher than straight kids. How the hell is your plan going to address the discrimination that the LGBT community face everyday?

Workers rights are being eroded everyday. Unions have been on the decline for decades due to Republican attacks. States have taken the lead to pass laws that limit the right to bargain and organize. How the hell are you going to fix this problem? How does your plan to reign in wall street stop the Republican governors from trampling on unions?

Finally, how will you fixing a "rigged economy" solved the oppression of generational poverty? I know we like to rail against coal, but what about the coal miners and their families who have contributed their life and work from generations to generations? They are being left behind. They are being ignored. Generational poverty is real. How the hell are you going to help them by fixing a "rigged economy?"

Oppression is real. It won't be fixed with a wave of a magic wand. Oppression will still be around when wall street is reigned and the "rigged economy" is fixed. We need to break down the barriers of racism, sexism, discrimination against the LGBT and generational poverty. We need stop the erosion of workers rights.

Senator, I do not believe we live in a single-issue country.

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Sanders's plan to fix wall street will not solve oppression in our country. (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP
Ok, what is Hilary's plan to solve oppression? Avalux Feb 2016 #1
I poured by heart into this post. Can you do a little less deflecting? Thanks :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #4
Oppress everyone regardless of their race or gender jfern Feb 2016 #5
To talk only to white people about this very important issue. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #51
Hillary's plan to get elected and serve herself will not solve oppression anywhere Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #2
Here's one example where she talked about generational poverty. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #8
"She is not a single issue candidate." Neither is Bernie nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #55
I'd like to read this plan. sounds interesting. can you post your copy for us to read? nt msongs Feb 2016 #39
Let's ask Dr. Martin Luther King why it makes sense. retrowire Feb 2016 #3
Even if Wall street was reigned, the kids of Flint would still be drinking poisoned water. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #6
Well actually el_bryanto Feb 2016 #9
If what was happening in Flint occurred in an affluent white neighborhood ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #13
I agree el_bryanto Feb 2016 #16
Let's ask retrowire why it makes sense. retrowire Feb 2016 #18
Excellent article, thanks Dem2 Feb 2016 #7
To use serious issues to support not fixing Wall Street, when the Wall Street Recession took Skwmom Feb 2016 #10
How does this address racism? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #14
So how did Hillary opposing LGBT equality for 20 God soaked years serve to end oppression of LGBT? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #11
Thank you for putting your heart and soul into this Empowerer Feb 2016 #12
Thank you. What you just said means a lot to me. You made me feel better :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #17
Putting political power back into the hands of the people will AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #15
So Hillary was one of the very last Democrats to stop opposing marriage equality. She often stongly Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #19
This is a completly empty post Armstead Feb 2016 #20
+1. Ron Green Feb 2016 #46
Sanders isn't a single issue candidate.... TheProgressive Feb 2016 #21
Income inequality ncdem01 Feb 2016 #22
Ahhh, thanks...! TheProgressive Feb 2016 #23
Why didn't Hillary answer the question about OZi Feb 2016 #24
Wonderful post. Made me think of my favorite Hillary quote from last night's debate: SunSeeker Feb 2016 #25
Lets hear your views on capitalism as the preferred system of social relations going forward... AOR Feb 2016 #26
Hillary-Breaking Down Barriers of Discrimination by Opposing Equality In Marriage For 'Those People' Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #27
bluenorthwest, will you accept my apology on Hillary Clinton's behalf. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #28
That's patronizing and insulting language. I am talking politics, not emotion. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #30
I am in a very emotional place atm. I am just drained after writing this article. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #32
I don't believe you know what Bernie Sanders stands for. GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #29
This is true. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #38
In Oklahoma OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #31
pfffttt... one_voice Feb 2016 #33
Yeah, and Hillary is going to be a zillion times better Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #40
Wouldn't know about that either... one_voice Feb 2016 #42
Thin skin? No. Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #43
Why is everyone avoiding talking about the need to rebuild congress with new progressives? bettyellen Feb 2016 #44
I'm not avoiding it... one_voice Feb 2016 #45
READ - it is a good thing to do SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #34
If we don't equalize income, empower people financially and remove money from the process Rebkeh Feb 2016 #35
Well said! ccinamon Feb 2016 #49
Agreed, it all whittles down to fear. Rebkeh Feb 2016 #52
Not fixing Wall Street Aerows Feb 2016 #36
Sander's plan to plunge the toilet will not put new shingles on the roof. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #37
LOL Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #50
Sanders's plan to fix wall street will certainly not increase oppression in our country.nt Autumn Feb 2016 #41
It's not even a plan alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #47
So let's not even try. jillan Feb 2016 #48
Oh looky over there you missed a spot. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #53
Sanders' plan to fix wall street will start to solve some of the economic oppression in our country fwiff Feb 2016 #54

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
8. Here's one example where she talked about generational poverty.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

In the debate she said “Coal miners and their families who helped turn on the lights and power our factories for generations are now wondering, 'Has our country forgotten us? Do people not care about all of our sacrifice?' And I'm going to do everything I can to address distressed communities, whether they are communities of color, whether they are white communities, whether they are in any part of our country,”

She put out a plan in November 12, 2015 to address the hardships that coal communities face. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-plan-to-revitalize-coal-communities/

She's not talking the talk. She's following up with a plan of action. She is not a single issue candidate.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
3. Let's ask Dr. Martin Luther King why it makes sense.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016
"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.”


Taking down Wall St alone isn't the only solution Bernie has spoken of. But if that's all you hear whenever he speaks then... Listen a little harder.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
6. Even if Wall street was reigned, the kids of Flint would still be drinking poisoned water.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

We have Flints across this country. Racism and oppression is real. We are under attack by Republicans. Reigning in wall street would no have stopped Flint.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
9. Well actually
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

A lot of local governments do have money invested in various AAA securities, often US Treasuries but during the period of 2005-2008 many were lured into these AAA CMOs, CDOs and Cynthetic CDOs - these securities turned out to have been massively over hyped and in 2008, they crashed; of course the core wall street investors did everything they could to protect their investment; which meant dumping them on whoever would take them, and obfuscating their real value, until they had cleaned them off of their books.

Wall Street was then let off the hook by the Bush administration and to a certain extent the Obama administration (in fairness, the REpublican Congress wasn't interested in passing reform either). I don't know if there is a direct correlation to Flint - I don't know what Flint invests in, but that much capital disappearing all at once, actually probalby did impact many local governments; and to be clear it's not just wealthy communities that have investments - most cities and counties in Florida have at least some money set aside for long term capital needs.

But that's neither her nor there - as others hae said, Bernie isn't actually a one issue guy despite your attempts to paint him as such.

Bryant

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
13. If what was happening in Flint occurred in an affluent white neighborhood
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

Do you think the Republican governor would have taken 2+ years to address this problem? Fuck no. This is blatant racism.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
16. I agree
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

But of course if states investment money isn't scooped up by Wall Street Bankers than there's more money to spend.

Bryant

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
18. Let's ask retrowire why it makes sense.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

To quote:

"Taking down Wall St alone isn't the only solution Bernie has spoken of. But if that's all you hear whenever he speaks then... Listen a little harder."

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
7. Excellent article, thanks
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

These are the same sorts of questions I have and I support what Bernie is saying. Is what he's so fervent about (as am I) enough to make a difference? Will Congress work with him or simply reject him?

I don't know the answers. I do know that the responses "But HILLERY!!1" are typical of the more rah rah Bernie supporters - the ones who aren't helping their cause. At least, I'm not sure how ridiculing and insulting fellow Democrats is helpful.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
10. To use serious issues to support not fixing Wall Street, when the Wall Street Recession took
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

away 50% of African American wealth is seriously fucked up.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. So how did Hillary opposing LGBT equality for 20 God soaked years serve to end oppression of LGBT?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

Explain that. This OP is a bit offensive.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
12. Thank you for putting your heart and soul into this
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

Even if they don't comment, I think many people have benefitted from your perspective and effort.

Much appreciated.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
15. Putting political power back into the hands of the people will
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

Controlling the money will go a long way towards that goal, because whomever controls the money controls political power.

Generational poverty can only be broken out of via education. Higher education.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. So Hillary was one of the very last Democrats to stop opposing marriage equality. She often stongly
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

spoke against marriage equality. That makes your OP highly ironic.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. This is a completly empty post
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

Of course fixing a rigged economy will not end racism, sexism or otehr social ills.

That's a giant duh.

But if the practical things like food housing, healthcare, education can be improved for everyone, it sure as hell would solve a lot of problems.

It also might create a space where it is easier to deal with those social ills, iof people are not under as much pressure to simply to survive.

And, despite your simplistic notion, Sanders does not ignore those other issues.


 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
21. Sanders isn't a single issue candidate....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

Poooooofffffff goes your thread....

And I noticed that this was Clinton's talking point last night.... Must
be her latest....

 

ncdem01

(7 posts)
22. Income inequality
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

Everything pretty much boils down to this, according to Bernie. Poooofff goes your response.

OZi

(155 posts)
24. Why didn't Hillary answer the question about
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

if she thinks Koch money influences Republican policies?

Big money is backing candidates in both parties. They don't care about Rs and Ds. The only letters they care about is ROI. Is there money to be made in fixing the concerns you have? No? Maybe you should shout louder.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
25. Wonderful post. Made me think of my favorite Hillary quote from last night's debate:
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

“We need a leader on women’s issues, not just someone who 'votes right.'" 



 

AOR

(692 posts)
26. Lets hear your views on capitalism as the preferred system of social relations going forward...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

I suspect you won't be giving an answer on that.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. Hillary-Breaking Down Barriers of Discrimination by Opposing Equality In Marriage For 'Those People'
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

for 20 preachy years. She added to the oppression. For 20 years.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
28. bluenorthwest, will you accept my apology on Hillary Clinton's behalf.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

I am sorry if you feel hurt. I am sorry for your pain. I am sorry for the hardships you had to face. I promise that Hillary Clinton will be a President that protects the rights of the LGBT community.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. That's patronizing and insulting language. I am talking politics, not emotion.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

Just answer the questions you have been asked, that's all anyone is asking of you.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
32. I am in a very emotional place atm. I am just drained after writing this article.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

Can you forgive me if I don't want to go into a deep policy discussion with you? I don't think I can give you the answer you deserve at the moment.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
31. In Oklahoma
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

The federal government fixed a horrible ecological disaster. they put people to work building water infastucture to create the lakes we have today. All these issues can be fixed.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
33. pfffttt...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:29 AM
Feb 2016

way I hear it told. He's gonna recreate the earth in 4 1/2 days. Everything is gonna be roses & ice cream in under 2 years. Just you wait and see.




(note to jurors this is sarcasm )

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
40. Yeah, and Hillary is going to be a zillion times better
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

than the neocons she and her husband hang around with.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
42. Wouldn't know about that either...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:11 AM
Feb 2016

I read stuff from both sides. O'Malley was my candidate. He's not in the race anymore. I'm sitting on the sidelines with my tub of popcorn trying to figure out who to vote for......

So you struck out with that one. I was commenting on a Sanders thread, therefore I commented with a Sanders joke. Thin. and. skin. come to mind.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
45. I'm not avoiding it...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:29 AM
Feb 2016

I've said it multiple times. It gets ignored.

I agree with you. Neither candidate will get anything done unless we work on congress.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1133412

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
35. If we don't equalize income, empower people financially and remove money from the process
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

Nothing will get fixed anyway. Not oppression, not racism, not sexism. Nothing. Helping Wall Street won't break down barriers either.

This is not a zero-sum situation.

But that's beside the point because the problems and solutions of economic oppression and social oppression overlap. They are linked and can be addressed simultaneously. We can deconstruct structural oppression but it requires financial empowerment, which Wall Street hinders. Wall Street is invested in inequality, we cannot equalize anything until they are accountable.

Bernie is NOT single issue, he is talking about getting to the core problem which encompasses most, if not all of them. As well as the starting point for solutions, financial empowerment, which also encompasses all of them.




ccinamon

(1,696 posts)
49. Well said!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

I think it would be easier and faster to level the economic inequalities than it is to change minds....so starting with some economic changes as a first step (not the only step) makes sense.

For most of us humans, the more you are exposed to those who are different, the less "scary"/"different" they become.

I think so much of the oppression of different segments of society are subjected to has to do with fear....fear of change, fear of others being "different", fear that if some group becomes "equal" to them then they will fall to being the hated group, and fear of facing reality/facts that they are being screwed by the politicians they have spent years believing.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
37. Sander's plan to plunge the toilet will not put new shingles on the roof.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Sander's plan to go fishing will not improve his golf score.

Do you have a fucking point?

fwiff

(233 posts)
54. Sanders' plan to fix wall street will start to solve some of the economic oppression in our country
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:36 AM
Feb 2016

These are multiple issues- Sanders has addressed all of these for years, and he’s not a ‘one note’ guy. He’s never claimed magical powers. What he is offering is a way to start a meaningful change of a fucked up world. As retrowire quoted upthread, rascism, oppression and economic exploitation are inextricably combined.

He wants US, ALL OF US to get rid of the bastards that create the oppression. And like all social progress, it doesn’t happen overnight. He has extensive parts of his platform that deal with supportive legislation dealing with institutional racism, anti-discrimination and many other social issues. He always has in his long career.

You hear about Warren’s and Sanders’ rigged economy because it’s the common denominator that cuts through demographics. It’s torn and continues tearing the middle, working and poorer classes to shreds. We’re in decline and we all know it.

Big money has bought Washington, pure and simple, and they’re masters at divide and conquer. People are angry because they’re scared and broke. The GOP stokes it.

Until some of that power is wrested back, frothers will continue their supremacist diatribes, companies like carrier will relocate to Mexico and workers have nothing to bargain with.

Economically, the 3 central tiers of his platform offer one way to break that crippling generational poverty, and help the working/middle class- the $15 min wage, college and health care.

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