2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders's plan to fix wall street will not solve oppression in our country.
Let's say that with a magic wand we fixed a "rigged economy" and reign in Wall Street. How will this break down the barriers of racism, sexism, discrimination against the LGBT, generational poverty, and the attacks against worker's right?
Everyday, we are fighting against the Republican onslaught on voting rights. States are passing the so called Voting ID laws that suppress the votes of people of color.
Oppression will not go away. You said that your economic plan would take black kids off of street corners and put them to work. How the hell does this address the problems of racism in our country? How does this solve the hate and oppression in our country? How the hell does this break down the barriers in our country?
How the hell is your plan to fixed our "rigged economy" going to fix the sexism that women face everyday. Roe v Wade is eroded every year. The domestic violence against women is out of control. Women clinics are bombed. How the hell is your plan going to break the barriers of sexism in our country?
LGBT are ridiculed every single day. They can get married on a Saturday, but fired on Monday. The suicide rates among LGBT youth is higher than straight kids. How the hell is your plan going to address the discrimination that the LGBT community face everyday?
Workers rights are being eroded everyday. Unions have been on the decline for decades due to Republican attacks. States have taken the lead to pass laws that limit the right to bargain and organize. How the hell are you going to fix this problem? How does your plan to reign in wall street stop the Republican governors from trampling on unions?
Finally, how will you fixing a "rigged economy" solved the oppression of generational poverty? I know we like to rail against coal, but what about the coal miners and their families who have contributed their life and work from generations to generations? They are being left behind. They are being ignored. Generational poverty is real. How the hell are you going to help them by fixing a "rigged economy?"
Oppression is real. It won't be fixed with a wave of a magic wand. Oppression will still be around when wall street is reigned and the "rigged economy" is fixed. We need to break down the barriers of racism, sexism, discrimination against the LGBT and generational poverty. We need stop the erosion of workers rights.
Senator, I do not believe we live in a single-issue country.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Thanks.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)In the debate she said Coal miners and their families who helped turn on the lights and power our factories for generations are now wondering, 'Has our country forgotten us? Do people not care about all of our sacrifice?' And I'm going to do everything I can to address distressed communities, whether they are communities of color, whether they are white communities, whether they are in any part of our country,
She put out a plan in November 12, 2015 to address the hardships that coal communities face. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-plan-to-revitalize-coal-communities/
She's not talking the talk. She's following up with a plan of action. She is not a single issue candidate.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)msongs
(67,417 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Taking down Wall St alone isn't the only solution Bernie has spoken of. But if that's all you hear whenever he speaks then... Listen a little harder.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)We have Flints across this country. Racism and oppression is real. We are under attack by Republicans. Reigning in wall street would no have stopped Flint.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)A lot of local governments do have money invested in various AAA securities, often US Treasuries but during the period of 2005-2008 many were lured into these AAA CMOs, CDOs and Cynthetic CDOs - these securities turned out to have been massively over hyped and in 2008, they crashed; of course the core wall street investors did everything they could to protect their investment; which meant dumping them on whoever would take them, and obfuscating their real value, until they had cleaned them off of their books.
Wall Street was then let off the hook by the Bush administration and to a certain extent the Obama administration (in fairness, the REpublican Congress wasn't interested in passing reform either). I don't know if there is a direct correlation to Flint - I don't know what Flint invests in, but that much capital disappearing all at once, actually probalby did impact many local governments; and to be clear it's not just wealthy communities that have investments - most cities and counties in Florida have at least some money set aside for long term capital needs.
But that's neither her nor there - as others hae said, Bernie isn't actually a one issue guy despite your attempts to paint him as such.
Bryant
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Do you think the Republican governor would have taken 2+ years to address this problem? Fuck no. This is blatant racism.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But of course if states investment money isn't scooped up by Wall Street Bankers than there's more money to spend.
Bryant
retrowire
(10,345 posts)To quote:
Dem2
(8,168 posts)These are the same sorts of questions I have and I support what Bernie is saying. Is what he's so fervent about (as am I) enough to make a difference? Will Congress work with him or simply reject him?
I don't know the answers. I do know that the responses "But HILLERY!!1" are typical of the more rah rah Bernie supporters - the ones who aren't helping their cause. At least, I'm not sure how ridiculing and insulting fellow Democrats is helpful.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)away 50% of African American wealth is seriously fucked up.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Explain that. This OP is a bit offensive.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Even if they don't comment, I think many people have benefitted from your perspective and effort.
Much appreciated.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Controlling the money will go a long way towards that goal, because whomever controls the money controls political power.
Generational poverty can only be broken out of via education. Higher education.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)spoke against marriage equality. That makes your OP highly ironic.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Of course fixing a rigged economy will not end racism, sexism or otehr social ills.
That's a giant duh.
But if the practical things like food housing, healthcare, education can be improved for everyone, it sure as hell would solve a lot of problems.
It also might create a space where it is easier to deal with those social ills, iof people are not under as much pressure to simply to survive.
And, despite your simplistic notion, Sanders does not ignore those other issues.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Poooooofffffff goes your thread....
And I noticed that this was Clinton's talking point last night.... Must
be her latest....
ncdem01
(7 posts)Everything pretty much boils down to this, according to Bernie. Poooofff goes your response.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Thanks for your post...
OZi
(155 posts)if she thinks Koch money influences Republican policies?
Big money is backing candidates in both parties. They don't care about Rs and Ds. The only letters they care about is ROI. Is there money to be made in fixing the concerns you have? No? Maybe you should shout louder.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)We need a leader on womens issues, not just someone who 'votes right.'"
AOR
(692 posts)I suspect you won't be giving an answer on that.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for 20 preachy years. She added to the oppression. For 20 years.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I am sorry if you feel hurt. I am sorry for your pain. I am sorry for the hardships you had to face. I promise that Hillary Clinton will be a President that protects the rights of the LGBT community.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Just answer the questions you have been asked, that's all anyone is asking of you.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Can you forgive me if I don't want to go into a deep policy discussion with you? I don't think I can give you the answer you deserve at the moment.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)OkSustainAg
(203 posts)The federal government fixed a horrible ecological disaster. they put people to work building water infastucture to create the lakes we have today. All these issues can be fixed.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)way I hear it told. He's gonna recreate the earth in 4 1/2 days. Everything is gonna be roses & ice cream in under 2 years. Just you wait and see.
(note to jurors this is sarcasm )
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)than the neocons she and her husband hang around with.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I read stuff from both sides. O'Malley was my candidate. He's not in the race anymore. I'm sitting on the sidelines with my tub of popcorn trying to figure out who to vote for......
So you struck out with that one. I was commenting on a Sanders thread, therefore I commented with a Sanders joke. Thin. and. skin. come to mind.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I was just replying to sarcasm with sarcasm.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)I've said it multiple times. It gets ignored.
I agree with you. Neither candidate will get anything done unless we work on congress.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1133412
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)all your questions are answered in books
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Nothing will get fixed anyway. Not oppression, not racism, not sexism. Nothing. Helping Wall Street won't break down barriers either.
This is not a zero-sum situation.
But that's beside the point because the problems and solutions of economic oppression and social oppression overlap. They are linked and can be addressed simultaneously. We can deconstruct structural oppression but it requires financial empowerment, which Wall Street hinders. Wall Street is invested in inequality, we cannot equalize anything until they are accountable.
Bernie is NOT single issue, he is talking about getting to the core problem which encompasses most, if not all of them. As well as the starting point for solutions, financial empowerment, which also encompasses all of them.
ccinamon
(1,696 posts)I think it would be easier and faster to level the economic inequalities than it is to change minds....so starting with some economic changes as a first step (not the only step) makes sense.
For most of us humans, the more you are exposed to those who are different, the less "scary"/"different" they become.
I think so much of the oppression of different segments of society are subjected to has to do with fear....fear of change, fear of others being "different", fear that if some group becomes "equal" to them then they will fall to being the hated group, and fear of facing reality/facts that they are being screwed by the politicians they have spent years believing.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Not that there isn't a lot in between.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for damn sure will not solve oppression in the country.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Sander's plan to go fishing will not improve his golf score.
Do you have a fucking point?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)And no, the poster doesn't have a point, just more passive-aggressive bullshit.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Good God.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)fwiff
(233 posts)These are multiple issues- Sanders has addressed all of these for years, and hes not a one note guy. Hes never claimed magical powers. What he is offering is a way to start a meaningful change of a fucked up world. As retrowire quoted upthread, rascism, oppression and economic exploitation are inextricably combined.
He wants US, ALL OF US to get rid of the bastards that create the oppression. And like all social progress, it doesnt happen overnight. He has extensive parts of his platform that deal with supportive legislation dealing with institutional racism, anti-discrimination and many other social issues. He always has in his long career.
You hear about Warrens and Sanders rigged economy because its the common denominator that cuts through demographics. Its torn and continues tearing the middle, working and poorer classes to shreds. Were in decline and we all know it.
Big money has bought Washington, pure and simple, and theyre masters at divide and conquer. People are angry because theyre scared and broke. The GOP stokes it.
Until some of that power is wrested back, frothers will continue their supremacist diatribes, companies like carrier will relocate to Mexico and workers have nothing to bargain with.
Economically, the 3 central tiers of his platform offer one way to break that crippling generational poverty, and help the working/middle class- the $15 min wage, college and health care.