thanks!

Lewis was hanging out at a Young Republican Barry Goldwater rally, which I doubt.

She has long history in the civil rights movement. I imagine she met John Lewis around that time since he traveled with MLK.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1219391

that that she left the Republican party. I've read her books and that's what I remember.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

Interesting.

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late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination and she attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami. She was upset by the way Richard Nixon's campaign portrayed Rockefeller and that was when she left the Republican party for good. She was 21 at that time. I don't consider her work on the Goldwater campaign to be anything other than a high school 'resume" padding for college she was 17 at that time not even old enough to vote.

I have all of the books written by both Clinton's and the only time she mentioned hearing Kings speech was that time in 1963 and made no mention of meeting him. I looked and didn't find any mention of meeting Lewis until after Bill was running for president.

I understand that she started out as a Republican but her family and neighborhood were GOP and others including Elizabeth Warren have traveled that same road. In Hillary's case she came around much sooner and AFAIK never voted for a Republican. I haven't read all her books but I'm encouraged by the fact that she's been steadily writing them. Bernie has released a few in the last couple of years but Hillary seems more diligent with her writing as with everything else. And she has a law degree.

Her youth pastor thought it might have been 62 but Hillary said 63.

attended the Republican National Convention in Miami. That's in one of the books and in Wiki

Sure doesn't seem to add up.

One thing is clear: She has a definite history of PUMA: 1968 (Nixon), 2008, ...

"As a young girl, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King. He titled the sermon he gave that night "Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution."

--Hillary Clinton, March 4, 2007, on the 42nd anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma.

Here's the OnTheIssues account:

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

on the 42nd Anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama

"As a young girl, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King. He titled the sermon he gave that night "Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution."

--Hillary Clinton, March 4, 2007, on the 42nd anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma.

The talk. Sleeping through vs staying awake. The obvious take away is that people need to wake up, but shows that memory is never exact. Likewise the quibble on year, but on that I suggest it more likely Clinton is right because it is likely related to a specific year in school.

What is clear is that she has long spoke of it as an inspiring event.

Likewise, there is no doubt that Sanders was far more involved on social justice issues than the average student. Not on the level of Lewis or even people working for Lewis, who would have been Sanders' peers. However he was even arrested for protesting in Chicago and took a year off school to work on this. This is at least equivalent to to Clinton ' s activism at Wellesley and even Yale.

Why not accept the truth that both of these white students were active in social justice work when they were young?

Hillary didn't 'see the light' until 1968 when she campaigned for Eugene McCarthy, another
non-starter, since most AA's were wildly & enthusiastically supporting Bobby Kennedy in
that Primary, until he was murdered.



http://www.snopes.com/goldwater-girl/

He observed, from "way way back there" in the crowd:

Bernie was THERE, at the massive I have a dream 1963 march on Washington DC... is all
I said. While Hillary was a Goldwater Girl.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

and if Hillary was so "impressed" with Dr. King, why did she become a
Goldwater Girl a full year later?

In any case the point is that Lewis' recollections of having met Bill and Hill are consistent with her own.

but it strains the imagination to believe that somehow Lewis (out of a whole congregation of people who heard him speak, somehow remembers Hillary Clinton these many years later, even if she was there.

And you still haven't addressed the Goldwater Girl piece, now have you?

Snopes also points out that, while Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He did support earlier civil rights legislation.

Also, more Senate Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Act.

... who voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act! Must have been a profound meeting that inspired her very much!

Yes, like so many other young people those days that were singing Eve of Destruction, they were forced to fight in Vietnam yet not allowed to vote until they were 21. But if they could THINK enough to protest and fight in a war, they could also THINK enough to know what political and social issues they supported in those days.

If she as a thinking senior in high school and college freshman were thinking (and most people at that stage of life DO have a mind of their own, or we wouldn't be giving them the rights of adulthood then), and she certainly had the capacity to judge whether she supported the Civil Rights Act then or not. Sorry, but I just don't buy that she was "too young to think rationally" to explain away her support for Goldwater then to try and rationalize that she was more of a civil rights activist through her life than Bernie was.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511210241

I don't understand why he's now making statements that can be traced.

And Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in 1964.

That is why she did not stay with her daddy's Republican party when she was old enough to vote.

but was a Goldwater Girl, then president of College Republicans, then attended the 1968 Republican National Convention. And a few years later, she went to Arkansas and eventually joined a corporate law firm, "the ultimate establishment law firm" in Arkansas, as it were, which was "the legal arm of the powerful". She was so skilled in helping to overturn a citizen initiative in Little Rock that would have helped residential utility customers that she was made a partner a year later (1978) and remained a partner until she left the state 14 years later.

So what did Hillary do for civil rights during her years in Arkansas?

She was quite drawn to the plight of migrant farm workers. What was Bernie doing in 1972?

In 1977, she was working for a corporate law firm in Arkansas, helping to overturn a citizen initiative. She soon became a partner in that firm, which specialized in defending corporations like Tyson's, Wal-Mart, Stephens (all of which donated to Bill's 1992 presidential campaign). So my question was, again, how did she help civil rights in Arkansas?

Ask him.

But I have a pretty good idea what Hillary was doing in Arkansas, based on news accounts, talking with my political mentor (a die-hard Arkansas Democrat), and talking with my professors at the University of Arkansas when she was not only a corporate law partner but also a Wal-Mart board member. And it wasn't working as a champion of the downtrodden.

Bernie, as the unconventional mayor of Burlington, Vermont, is helping to revitalize the city.

Hillary, meanwhile, is a partner in the Rose Law Firm, which is defending corporate entities against the little people. Meanwhile, her husband, who has just won an election against Frank White, a one-term governor whose biggest platform was trying to get creation science taught in public schools, is promising to be a more conservative governor.

Or Hillary, holding down her First Lady duties while also practicing law and even teaching Constitutional law (like Obama did) described as going "against little people."



Here's some of what she did to help people, especially women and Children, while in Arkansas:

http://littlerock.about.com/od/politicsandpoliticalorga/p/aahillary.htm

And yes, she was a Wal-Mart Corporate Board Member - 1986–1992, back when they were still touting "Made in America" products and good customer service. Even though she receives criticism for serving on the board, she actually pushed for nondiscriminatory hiring practices.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/images/1154676132327/undefined

In 1978 and 1979, lawyer and First Lady of Arkansas Hillary Rodham engaged in a series of trades of cattle futures contracts. Her initial $1,000 investment had generated nearly $100,000 when she stopped trading after ten months. In 1994, after Hillary Rodham Clinton had become First Lady of the United States, the trading became the subject of considerable controversy regarding the likelihood of such a spectacular rate of return, possible conflict of interest, and allegations of disguised bribery, allegations that Clinton strongly denied. There were no official investigations of the trading and Clinton was never charged with any wrongdoing.


$14,600 IRS tax and penalty :

Hillary later wrote that she educated herself about the market and followed it closely, winning and losing money. By January 1979, she was up $26,000; but later, she would lose $16,000 in a single trade. At one point she owed in excess of $100,000 to Refco as part of covering losses, but no margin calls were made by Refco against her. Near the end of the trading, Blair correctly sold short and gave her a $40,000 gain in one afternoon. In July 1979, once she became pregnant with Chelsea Clinton, "I lost my nerve for gambling walked away from the table $100,000 ahead." She briefly traded sugar futures contracts and other non-cattle commodities in October 1979, but more conservatively, through Stephens Inc. During this period she made about $6,500 in gains (which she failed to pay taxes on at the time, consequently later paying some $14,600 in federal and state tax penalties in the 1990s). Once her daughter was born in February 1980, she moved all her commodities gains into U.S. Treasury Bonds.


As it happened, during the period of Rodham's trading, Refco was under investigation by the Mercantile Exchange for systematic violations of its margin trading rules and reporting requirements regarding cattle trading. In December 1979, the exchange issued a three-year suspension to Bone and a $250,000 fine of Refco (at the time, the largest such penalty imposed by the exchange).



These results are quite remarkable. Two-thirds of her trades showed a profit by the end of the day she made them and 80 percent were ultimately profitable. Many of her trades took place at or near the best prices of the day.
Only four explanations can account for these remarkable results. Blair may have been an exceptionally good trader. Hillary Clinton may have been exceptionally lucky. Blair may have been front-running other orders. Or Blair may have arranged to have a broker fraudulently assign trades to benefit Clinton's account.



In a Fall 1994 paper for the Journal of Economics and Finance, economists from the University of North Florida and Auburn University investigated the odds of gaining a hundred-fold return in the cattle futures market during the period in question. Using a model that was stated to give the hypothetical investor the benefit of the doubt, they concluded that the odds of such a return happening were at best 1 in 31 trillion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy

And what you fail to mention from elsewhere on the Hillary Wiki page:

All those right wing smears, all unsuccessful. Yet you are happy to trot them out again, just to bolster your candidate.

she was freshman president of the Republican Party club at Wellesley College!

And let's not forget that Goldwater who she supported voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act then, so that must not have been a big priority for her then! Why doesn't she ever publicly explain her "transition" to being concerned about civil rights from the time when demonstrably she wasn't.

Or, as she put it, it left me. As she came of age, and as much as she loved her father, she realized the Republican party was no longer the party of Lincoln, no longer the party that MLK was once a member of.

to-do about that...photos and all. This has taken on a life of its own...and not in a good way...until we do an equal time of young presidential candidates.

It's worn out. Find something new...please.

We've been hearing about Hillary's unlikeability, untrustworthiness, dishonesty, WalMart Street ties yadda yadda nonstop for years.

they were at approximately the same politically developmental time. We're comparing Bernie's ears with colored circles and squares like a Find Wallow game, FFS, yet where are the threads about the Goldwater Girl?

I hope that's clearer.

Background does matter...it shows inclination. Bernie's has always been the same, regardless of the Photo Flap, and Hillary's has not. That's why Bernie is number one on my sig line and HRC is second.

So it's ok to dwell on shit like this ad infinitum.

After all, we have all the time in the world on our side.

Now, excuse me while I go rearrange some deck chairs on the Titanic.

That's far more than most white kids did at that time, even those of us who strongly supported civil rights. Only a few did much more. I didn't. I was alive at that time. Very few white kids went to the South to work for civil rights. I seriously doubt that Hillary or Bill did it in the early sixties. Hillary was too young, and she was a Republican. If John Lewis met them in Civil Rights work, it was well after the passage of the Civil Rights Act under Lyndon Johnson who left office in 1968.

Fact is that the photo that was questioned is definitely of Bernie Sanders.

And the woman who had the name changed on that photo should explain why she did it. That is embarrassing.

Why would someone go to such an extreme as to change the name on a photo in an archive without asking the photographer, the living photographer whether she was correct in changing the name?

This is a very strange matter, a very strange story.

Let's get the truth out there.

The reporters who repeated this false story without checking the facts with the photographer should be fired.

was starting in civil rights

And that was nearly half a century before Sanders registered as a Democrat.

Hillary met Dr. King in 1962. Bernie saw him from "way way back there" in 1963.

Waffletime.

So while Bernie was being arrested protesting for civil rights and arching in Washington with MLK in 1963, Hillary was campaigning for Barry Goldwater.

Belgium Waffles

Not Hillary.

Trying to look "with it"



Waffles, Baby, Waffles.

Not Bernie.

Why does Hillary say she met MLK if she doesn't want her support of a racist Republican mentioned?

3 years after she met MLK?

I don't think this is something you want to call attention to.

Republican Governor Nelson Rockefeller's late-entry campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. She was upset by the way Richard Nixon's campaign portrayed Rockefeller and that was when she left the Republican party for good.

Big deal. Mark Chapman met John Lennon. Bill Clinton shook hands with Jack Kennedy. So did a lot of people. It meant nothing.

I don't doubt Hillary's current sincerity on civil rights, but big whoop that she briefly met MLK. I met Kip Thorne on his Interstellar book tour, does that make me a physicist?

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

He never claimed to be a leader in the civil rights movement. Only that he participated in a few protests and went to the March On Washington in '63.

I guess attacking him for being completely honest is where part of the Democratic party is now. Sad.

That was more than a mild dig, he insinuated that Bernie was a liar.

YESSSS!!!

He went to jail fighting for desegregation, but lets minimize the value of that!!!

YESSSSS *rubs hands together*

Tim Murphy is clearly a Hillary sympathizer

My Travels on the Clinton Conspiracy Trail. I went to Arkansas to find the Hillary haters looking for one last piece of dirt.

Go ahead and demean that simply because he was politically incorrect enough to dare to interrupt the coronation of Clinton, and worse yet actually to inject real issues into the political dialogue.

If Jesus himself were to campaign against Clinton some you you would say "Not good enough Jesus. Your not as holy as Hillary."

interestingly, everything in the article except for the paragraphs quoted by the OP makes it sound like Bernie was passionate and active in the fight for civil rights.

on a local level should somehow feel less deserving than others? The federal government came down hard against segregation because of Martin Luther King's leadership along with others who were inspired by him including Lewis. MLK was my hero. But as a teenage Caucasian boy I could not up and leave my home town to march with him. I did not have the means or money. But I did speak out and was called names and even got into fights because of my beliefs. I had a little RnR band in the late 60's and was hired to play a show for an event in my home town. We set up to play. I did not know at the time it was for George Wallace coming to campaign for the Dixiecrat party. I was told just before we hit the first note. So I turned around to my band mates and said we are not playing for this racist SOB. The organizers were not happy when we broke down our gear. But we made our point. I know it's not a national thing or a big deal. But I think it was people also on the local level who refused to participate in the racism of the south that helped turn the tide.

anyone ever does is in the past. The imancipation proclamation was sign by Lincoln almost 200 years ago but it still matters today. What Bernie did then speaks to his character.

But when the issue comes up, what we usually get is a mention of his marching with King in 1963 (which Bernie himself debunks in a video on his website) and the picture of Bernie-but-maybe-Bruce at U Chicago.

who says it is not. Someone who wasn't even there.

after it was totally debunked by the photographer himself. Give it a rest.

Feb. 11, Time, update to its original article on the dispute:

So the question lingers.

https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/#comment-1299

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511234915

For those of us who did not live through that era, it's far too easy to look at the high water marks and check off names like Medgar Evers, MLK, and John Lewis and call it good as a summary of that particular time in American History. I consider myself to be an exception to that because John Lewis has always been a personal hero, mainly because he rose to fame in Nashville and that proximity to my own upbringing resonated with me. I grew up in a family who was wholly supportive of the civil rights movement. My grandfather's grandfather was a Methodist minister who help to transport runaway slaves across the border from TN to KY. My grandparents were the exception to the rule in their era, but I'm no less proud of the things that they did, like having a country general store that was not segregated at the peak of Jim Crow. We champion the heroes of the struggle for civil rights, and rightfully so because many paid the ultimate sacrifice for those goals, but, we cannot forget that, at its core, the civil rights movement was a grassroots movement and there are far too many foot soldiers in that struggle to be named. I applaud Sen Sanders for what he did as a young college student, and I think he deserves all the credit in the world for that and to criticize his contribution is asinine. My mentor as a young adult was one of the founding members of the SCLC, and was white. He helped to escort the young children in Little Rock to school after integration. I'd wager that most folks on this board don't even know his name, but he had a significant impact on the struggle for equal rights. Most of us aren't in a position to be the Kings or Lewis' of a particular movement. The best we can hope for is contributing our part in our own sphere of influence, and I think that's what Sen Sanders did.

He was doing SOMETHING. Most people were doing NOTHING. You'd think Bernie had claimed to be close, personal friends with MLK rather than a college organizer.

Brief indeed.

... that he'd been a lifelong organizer and stalwart national leader of great influence. Perhaps he was, but I've certainly seen no evidence that confirms it.

As near as I can tell, he (like many college students of his era) participated in protests and sit-ins ... and that's certainly to be commended and praised.

How much will people spin this?

And yes John Lewis was probably literally truthful when he says he did not see him.
Which some will take metaphorically that Bernie did nothing