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Hydra

(14,459 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:16 AM Feb 2016

Let's for a moment imagine some things

After coming off the debate last night, something was nagging at me. Hillary Clinton's push to keep the ACA in place instead of going for single payer. For any normal Dem, single payer should at least rank as a worthy goal, shouldn't it?

Imagine what that would look like for a moment. No insurance companies. No middleman taking 20%. No Insurance lobby. No more donations(bribes) coming from a huge sector.

What looks like paradise to someone like me must look like some sort of hell for someone who is currently benefiting from our unbalanced state of affairs. Imagine how much other blood money would simply disappear with the kinds of change we're all hoping for?

Imagine our country without insurance. Without perpetual wars. Without higher education debt. Without wage slavery.

That's the sort of thing that scares our current establishment.

Imagine if they weren't there anymore- that their ideas simply didn't appeal to anyone anymore.

I don't think it's hard to do.

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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
1. It's not hard for me to imagine it. What I hope for - that everyone else can too.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:27 AM
Feb 2016

Beautiful post. Thank you.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Imagine Bernie telling us how we are going to get there!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:53 AM
Feb 2016

I know millions of young people are going to text and tweet their rage to the Republican controlled House until they cave.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. "No, we can't! And neither can you guys!"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

Keep saying it, the bar can always go lower until your candidate can finally make it over.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
6. Bernie has never claimed that it would be fast or easy. It's called a GOAL
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

I've heard Hillbots straw-man arguing and inferring that Bernie says this will happen over night. Lies.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
8. This Is The Key
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

People ask how these things will get done. Bernie will keep people mobilized right after the election... Something Obama didn't do.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. What people? The tea party? The 60% who don't favor expanded government?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

I don't get why you can't figure out that you don't even represent the majority of people!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. I wasn't there at the time, but labor was not represented and they organized and succeeded.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

It is not impossible, just difficult and hell like at times..I am ready and
it looks like there are millions of us too.

K&R

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. It's very difficult, but one of the dirty secrets of the Establishment
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

Is that they need our tacit approval, or at least willingness not to fight against their policies for them to do it. There have been recent sea changes that bear that out, like the LBGT equality movement. They do control the money, but they also have to control the dialogue. We can change the framing of the issues, and we should.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. If we should be so fortunate to have Bernie win the nomination there will then be another
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

layer to overcome, and that includes the DNC..yes.

If not now, when? Who is better suited? I believe he is a damn good
fit for the job.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. No, single payer is not the sine qua non of Democratic thought on health care
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

I'd prefer a multi-tiered option like France has, personally, or the regional insurance co-operatives like Germany has. I don't trust Congress enough to hand over the keys to negotiating with providers to them (remember: the funding for single payer has to go through Paul Ryan -- even if he doesn't dare cut it I'm sure he'd be more than happy to reward some pharma or hospital group cronies).

For that matter, insurance profits are such a small piece of our health care problem ($200 billion out of $3 trillion, compared to $1 trillion to hospitals and $600 billion to physicians and $300 billion to pharma) that it's really low on my own personal list of priorities to solve.

We need to have a conversation in this country about how much providers make: yes, the impersonal pharmaceutical companies and big corporate hospitals will be easy to attack, but this will also include your doctor, whom you've known for years, and who makes on average twice as much as a doctor in Europe does. We also need her to make less money, while treating more people than she is now. That's a conversation we aren't having because we're so blindly focused on one particular type of financing reform, single payer.

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