2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet's for a moment imagine some things
After coming off the debate last night, something was nagging at me. Hillary Clinton's push to keep the ACA in place instead of going for single payer. For any normal Dem, single payer should at least rank as a worthy goal, shouldn't it?
Imagine what that would look like for a moment. No insurance companies. No middleman taking 20%. No Insurance lobby. No more donations(bribes) coming from a huge sector.
What looks like paradise to someone like me must look like some sort of hell for someone who is currently benefiting from our unbalanced state of affairs. Imagine how much other blood money would simply disappear with the kinds of change we're all hoping for?
Imagine our country without insurance. Without perpetual wars. Without higher education debt. Without wage slavery.
That's the sort of thing that scares our current establishment.
Imagine if they weren't there anymore- that their ideas simply didn't appeal to anyone anymore.
I don't think it's hard to do.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Beautiful post. Thank you.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I know millions of young people are going to text and tweet their rage to the Republican controlled House until they cave.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Keep saying it, the bar can always go lower until your candidate can finally make it over.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I've heard Hillbots straw-man arguing and inferring that Bernie says this will happen over night. Lies.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)People ask how these things will get done. Bernie will keep people mobilized right after the election... Something Obama didn't do.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I don't get why you can't figure out that you don't even represent the majority of people!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)It is not impossible, just difficult and hell like at times..I am ready and
it looks like there are millions of us too.
K&R
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Is that they need our tacit approval, or at least willingness not to fight against their policies for them to do it. There have been recent sea changes that bear that out, like the LBGT equality movement. They do control the money, but they also have to control the dialogue. We can change the framing of the issues, and we should.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)layer to overcome, and that includes the DNC..yes.
If not now, when? Who is better suited? I believe he is a damn good
fit for the job.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'd prefer a multi-tiered option like France has, personally, or the regional insurance co-operatives like Germany has. I don't trust Congress enough to hand over the keys to negotiating with providers to them (remember: the funding for single payer has to go through Paul Ryan -- even if he doesn't dare cut it I'm sure he'd be more than happy to reward some pharma or hospital group cronies).
For that matter, insurance profits are such a small piece of our health care problem ($200 billion out of $3 trillion, compared to $1 trillion to hospitals and $600 billion to physicians and $300 billion to pharma) that it's really low on my own personal list of priorities to solve.
We need to have a conversation in this country about how much providers make: yes, the impersonal pharmaceutical companies and big corporate hospitals will be easy to attack, but this will also include your doctor, whom you've known for years, and who makes on average twice as much as a doctor in Europe does. We also need her to make less money, while treating more people than she is now. That's a conversation we aren't having because we're so blindly focused on one particular type of financing reform, single payer.