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Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:56 AM Feb 2016

"Feel the Bern or Give ‘em Hill, but please, chill out"

http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2016/02/10/feel-the-bern-or-give-em-hill-but-please-chill-out/



But hear this now, hardcore Sanders zealots: it’s become jarringly evident that many of you are losing perspective, becoming unhinged, veering way too close, in your savage anti-Hillary screeds ... No mere dislike, this. No mere policy disagreement or bantering about who’s the real “progressive.” This is far uglier. It’s mean and it’s low and it’s shameful to see. It’s as though a bunch of devout Bernie fire-breathers have taken a page from the GOP handbook and have decided to brutalize Clinton using the most demeaning, hateful language possible, hurling forth all kinds of specious evidence to dehumanize her, all while pretending it’s in service of elevating and lionizing Bernie.
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But from what I’m seeing, even Hillary’s most impassioned supporters are coming nowhere near the vicious character assassinations and outright hate speech being slung by some of Bernie’s most enraged acolytes. Simply put: Hillary deserves serious critique. She does not deserve crass, wholesale slaughter, from within her own party. It’s divisive and cruel and serves nothing. Leave it to the GOP.

No candidate, no political figure in your lifetime has been more vilified, more hated upon, more systematically demonized, largely by the old white male Republican guard but often by everyday liberals and common sexists, than Hillary Clinton, largely due to her gender, her intelligence, her past, who she married. We have all, to one degree or another, been pre-coded, predisposed to mistrust her, dislike her, doubt her motives.
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Sanders, OTOH, suffers no such entrenched prejudice. He’s a ‘revolutionary’ blank slate. He’s been operating so far in the background, and for so long, he’s never had the pleasure of being hated and demeaned for everything he is and everything he stands for, from his spouse to his clothes, his hair to his ankles, his wrinkles to his tone of voice. In short: He’s never had to endure even a fraction of the systemic misogyny and vicious public dissection Hillary has, for decades, and it’s still going strong.


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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
2. So, it's playing the "If you're not pro-Hillary and all her baggage, you're a misogynist" card time
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:01 AM
Feb 2016

again

DFW

(54,403 posts)
4. One minor point of contention, if I may
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

"She does not deserve crass, wholesale slaughter, from within her own party."

Agreed, but I am anything but convinced that most of the bile is genuinely coming from within our own party. Oh, it's coming from somewhere, alright, but I seriously doubt that the worst of it is coming from within the Democratic Party. This is classic Rove/Ailes stuff we're seeing here.

If Bernie Sanders should win enough primaries to look like he'll get the nomination, be prepared to see exactly the same kind of slime directed his way, and--please note--in the same proportion.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
6. Took awhile for me too come to the conclusion that I am going to view for Bernie.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:28 AM
Feb 2016

Came back to DU to put my finger on the political pulse. What I got was a real shock! No offense, and maybe they mean well, but I am totally appalled by a few of the Sanders supporters. I know they don't speak for everyone, but they sure do leave a bad impression.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
12. I believe you. I just haven't seen it yet. My only run in was with a Bernie supporter
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:28 AM
Feb 2016

Over the most incredibly stupid, inane shit.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
13. I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee! Not a fan of hers but.....
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

She is 1000 times better than any GOP fool!

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
14. I read your post wrong. So I went and corrected my response.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:36 AM
Feb 2016

I totally understand that. I love the revolution mentality that the Sanders campaign brings. I want to see that change in Washington. It gives me the hope that has long been gone. But, yea. If he doesn't take the primaries, I will be voting for Hillary in a heartbeat in the GE. Because voting for the clowns on the right is JUST NOT an option. What. So. Ever. I am too old to be cutting my nose off to spite myself.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
7. I don't agree. This article is an underhanded bash on Bernie supporters.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 AM
Feb 2016

I find the nastiness to be rather proportionate on both sides.

If you see more from Sanders supporters, I think it's because there are more of us here than Hillary supporters.

The "Berners" are no more rabid than any candidate's ardent supporters. And the attacks on Hillary that I see (at least in the present) have zero to do with her gender.

I am unsympathetic to Hillary. She can dish it out as well as she takes it.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
9. Morford must have been reading DU.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:41 AM
Feb 2016

The only excuse I can come up for their behavior is that they are young and don't know better.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
15. Or as the article stated
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:38 AM
Feb 2016

Working for Karl Rove to try and destroy Hillary and try and get as many democrats pissed off at here so they won't vote for here in the GE. Whoever they are they are not working to get a Democrat in the WH. The bad thing is they have taken over the talking points here on DU and are doing their best to divide the board and cause problems.

As I have said many times Bernie is not behind this, and there a a lot of "real" supporters here on DU who don't follow the trash and bash tactics.

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