2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen will Bernie Sanders make a commitment and have a plan to help the coal communities?
We all know that coal is a dying source of energy in this country. It helped contribute to our ever growing pollution and climate change. So, on one hand we are glad we are moving away from it as an energy source. But what about the coal miners and their families who have contributed their health and life to power our country?
It seems the majority of Americans have forgotten their contributions. Thousands are suffering from black lung disease. Communities are dying and there is no hope. Job are scarce. Hope is scarcer.
Has Bernie Sanders proposed any solutions or plans to help the coal community? It looks like he has been silent on this issue.
In the Milwaukee debate, Hillary Clinton had this to say about the coal miners and their families:
Coal miners and their families who helped turn on the lights and power our factories for generations are now wondering, 'Has our country forgotten us? Do people not care about all of our sacrifice?' And I'm going to do everything I can to address distressed communities, whether they are communities of color, whether they are white communities, whether they are in any part of our country,
Last year in November, Hillary presented her plan to help the communities of coal and the families of coal miners. It's an indepth plan to help revitalize the coal communities. Here is a link to her plan https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-plan-to-revitalize-coal-communities
So, what has Sanders proposed to help the coal communities and their families?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)hoping the masses will ignore how much they've been fucked over. Good luck with that.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)The communities like in Keokuk County would be devastated. Coal communities need help. I just want to know if Bernie has offered a plan to help them out.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)their families. They are doing it because they want to distract from the real issue: Our corrupt system of govt.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)have enacted plans that devastated this country.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)healthcare cost is one less thing that coal miners have to worry about. Then they can go to community college for free and learn a way into a different industry. Maybe they get onto a crumbling infrastructure repair crew. Bernie offers lots of help to all Americans in need. He doesn't need to to single out specific groups. We all benefit from his proposals. Bernie offers a percolate up economy. It is much more effective than a piss trickle down that centrists and repukes offer.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie supporter here, but this is a very fair question. I'd like to hear something from Sanders on this.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I know he said he wanted the Governor to resign, but he hasn't offered specific solutions. Hillary has offered a step by step solutions to help the people of Fint.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)tragic straits to begin with (including the role her banker buddies played).
dchill
(38,502 posts)Sanders will help ALL communities an all families. If you don't believe that, then vote for someone who has already shown who she will help - and hurt.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Personally, I need more shelf space in my pantry. What in the hell is Bernie Sanders going to do about that?
And almonds. What about almonds? Someone needs to do something about almonds! Where's your flipping plan for the future of almonds in this country, Bernie?
What about people who leave popcorn buckets and Junior Mint boxes in the movie theater aisles? Either you have a written plan about this problem or you just don't care, Senator Sanders.
Which is it?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)dchill
(38,502 posts)Is more than anyone should buy into.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)we don't learn from our mistakes aren't we doomed to repeat them? Like maybe elect someone who recognizes a bad trade agreement when they read it.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
Anything else would just be a time-waister.
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ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)With the exception of a few boom areas of hyper growth, Americas itself is becoming the equivalent of coal country, thanks to the systemic destruction of the productive economy, outsourcing, offshorcing, corporate greed and a complete breakdown of social morality by the business class and political and media elites over the last 40 years.
My home city went from 60,000 to 40,000 since the 70's, and we have huge hulking empty buildings that used to be factories.
sanders is trying to set up a new paradigm to move back in a more positive direction, for coal country and the rest of the country that has been hollowed out.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)What are his specific plans for the Rust Belt, New England and all of the other regions that are struggling?
What are Hillary's plans for all those areas?
While there is a legitimate basis for your question, the political cast of it makes it meaningless.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Here's Hillary's plan for manufacturing and how to bring it back https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/12/07/winning-competition-for-global-manufacturing-jobs/
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Encourage innovation, etc. etc. same old Third Way stuff. Innovation will happen regardless. Real question is what is the result -- benefit -- of innovation to the larger economy. We become more productive, but workers get the shaft as thanks.
Tax relief to corporations and employers ...nothing new. A variation of Supply Side Trickle Down economics. Been a staple policy for 30 years. Had some benefits admittedly,. But a lot of drawbacks. In extreme form it sets communities against each otehr in bidding wars to give away the store, with the result that governments are tax starved and have to place the burden on the backs of private citizens.....Meanwhile, the companies that extort those concessions often either go out of business or leave when a better offer comers along.
Vigorous enforcement of trade violations? Another mantra that gets trotted out at election time, and then quickly forgotten. In the meantime, we continue to allow Corporate America to impose bad "free trade" policies on us.
In some cases manufacturing does return to America. But, (as someone who has talked to a lot of businesspeople over the years), that is only when the quality of work and other hassles of offshoring outweigh the benefits. But we also continue to gleefully send factories and jobs out of the US.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I actually have an open mind and some of the stuff is good.
But overall the pattern is destructive, and repeats many of the things that got us into this mess. We need to make more basic changes i the way we do things.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)By proposing health insurance for everyone, he has.
This would allow "coal country", some of the most depressed areas of our country, to finally be able to see what ii is like to visit a doctor. To get a tooth pulled without a string attached to it. To get an oxygen tank refilled without having to give up food for a few days.
By proposing free college...it would allow that really smart kid in the house down in the next holler be able to get a degree and figure out what is causing all the cancer in his home town.
Should I go on?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Everyone has different needs and come from different backgrounds.
Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)I think we are done.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)jen63
(813 posts)the unique issues of Appalachia?
shawn703
(2,702 posts)Jobs would be created in those communities just like everywhere else.
jfern
(5,204 posts)will definitely do some to help decaying old mountain towns with bridges that are about to collapse.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)But I will save that for another day.
jillan
(39,451 posts)an emergency at this very minute. It cannot wait until Jan 20, 2017. Bernie has said very clearly & in no uncertain terms that we need to repair the infrastructure in this country and said Flint is a prime example of that. Were you not listening??
In the meantime the republicans just blocked a bill to help Flint.
What is President Obama doing about Flint? That is the real question. He is the only one with the power to get something done AT THIS VERY MINUTE!
And then there is this - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/us/regulatory-gaps-leave-unsafe-lead-levels-in-water-nationwide.html?_r=0
Flint-like crisis all over the country. What is Hillary going to do about that? Travel to each and every city for a photo op?
fwiff
(233 posts)when we can do infrastructure improvements, but I have no idea where.
But since they're in the same boat with the rest of us- fewer jobs, and the ones we have keep leaving, we can try for his plan to strengthen our economy so we're actually creating good jobs again.
Hillary is very good at selecting particular pieces to look good with and create a 'plan', yet free trade without protections for workers is killing us. Carrier is taking 1400 jobs to Mexico under NAFTA.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Micheal Briggs, communications director for the campaign, also serves as communications director in Sander's Senate office. Fax over your question attn: Michael Briggs.. Fax: (202) 228-0776. Request that any position information on the subject be mailed to you. You may be surprised by how responsive the staffers can be.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)To borrow a slogan from Howard Dean, "You have the power." You want the issue addressed, then actually lobby the candidate (via staff) to address it.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)India etc. Try again....
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Not good enough, Bernie!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)It has one excellent provision, which is the promise to help people maintain their health benefits so they can deal with black lung disease and other problems plaguing coal miners. It also picks up pension payments when the coal companies dump their pension plans, but this is already being done for corporate pension plans in general, so it's not big news. There is a great deal of other rhetoric and fluff in there, but nothing substantial.
Want to help coal miners and their families? How about expanding MSHA and enforcing safety regulations? How about seizing assets when coal companies kill their employees? How about prosecuting company officials for paying off inspectors and ignoring orders to improve safety?