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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:01 AM Feb 2016

When will Bernie Sanders make a commitment and have a plan to help the coal communities?

We all know that coal is a dying source of energy in this country. It helped contribute to our ever growing pollution and climate change. So, on one hand we are glad we are moving away from it as an energy source. But what about the coal miners and their families who have contributed their health and life to power our country?

It seems the majority of Americans have forgotten their contributions. Thousands are suffering from black lung disease. Communities are dying and there is no hope. Job are scarce. Hope is scarcer.

Has Bernie Sanders proposed any solutions or plans to help the coal community? It looks like he has been silent on this issue.

In the Milwaukee debate, Hillary Clinton had this to say about the coal miners and their families:

“Coal miners and their families who helped turn on the lights and power our factories for generations are now wondering, 'Has our country forgotten us? Do people not care about all of our sacrifice?' And I'm going to do everything I can to address distressed communities, whether they are communities of color, whether they are white communities, whether they are in any part of our country,”


Last year in November, Hillary presented her plan to help the communities of coal and the families of coal miners. It's an indepth plan to help revitalize the coal communities. Here is a link to her plan https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-plan-to-revitalize-coal-communities

So, what has Sanders proposed to help the coal communities and their families?
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When will Bernie Sanders make a commitment and have a plan to help the coal communities? (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP
Clinton sends out her little minions to come up with something Saint Hillary will take care of Skwmom Feb 2016 #1
I am asking a legitimate question. Coal communities are in really bad shape. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #4
Your concern is duly noted (nt) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #5
Coffee we are on the same side. Imagine if the corn in Iowa had no use and value ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #6
It is, but Camp Clinton isn't doing this because they give a damn about the poor coal miners and Skwmom Feb 2016 #11
Do you have proof that she doesn't care about coal miners? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #15
If Clinton gave a damn about average American familes the two for the price of one couple wouldn't Skwmom Feb 2016 #19
They find some niche group and pretend they are said group's savior. With Bernie's healthcare plan Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #59
That's actually a great question Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #2
I also have questions on what solutions has Bernie offered for Flint ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #10
Hillary had her minions prepare steps for Flint. Hope Bernie talks about how Flint ended up in such Skwmom Feb 2016 #13
When will Bernie Sanders buy me a new car? dchill Feb 2016 #3
I am asking a simple question. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #7
That's right! If Bernie can't solve every problem in this country then it's all over for him! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #8
Can you show more empathy for coal miners and their families? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #9
HRC pretense of empathy for ANYONE... dchill Feb 2016 #12
I wish them well. I hope they innovate. Maybe solar or wind? (nt) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #14
Oh, I'd much rather focus on WHAT has driven so many families into poverty in the first place. If Skwmom Feb 2016 #17
So, you are saying bad trade agreements is what led to coal communities dying? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #23
Nope. That was just an example. The world is moving away from coal - even China. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #25
Ok, so what are Bernie's specific plan to help the communities of coal. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #29
Something that works, or sucks like HRC's plan? TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #16
Did you read the article? If you did then tell me why you think her plan won't work? ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #21
It's your OP, you defend it. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #38
You posted the article not me. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #39
You just want others to do your work. I bet you didn't read it. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #42
What if I told you that I did. Would that surprise you? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #44
Yes. I don't go into detail, because I've learned that only objective people listen. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #46
If I told you that your comment wounded me deeply would you reconsider your post? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #50
Multiply Coal Country by about 70 percent of America Armstead Feb 2016 #18
So what are his specific plans to help the coal communities? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #20
I don't know. Go fucking ask him Armstead Feb 2016 #22
You are talking about manufacturing when it comes to the rust belt and New England, right? ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #27
A mix of the same-old and "I'll believe it when I see it" stuff Armstead Feb 2016 #37
You are good. Good at spinning. I'll give you that. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #41
It's not spinning -- It's the results of years of observing this stuff professionally Armstead Feb 2016 #45
I think we can be frank with each other. Some are really good at spinning. You're a pro. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #48
Well I'll take that as a compliment -- but disagree that it is spinning Armstead Feb 2016 #49
Can you give me a compliment too? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #52
You spin wonderfully? Armstead Feb 2016 #63
Thank you. I am the student while you are the master. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #65
+1,000,0000. Skwmom Feb 2016 #24
I will give you an honest answer to this question. He already has. Lochloosa Feb 2016 #26
So, he's offering a one size fits all plan? Wtf... ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #28
Wow..that is what you got out of that? Lochloosa Feb 2016 #30
Fine, link me to an article where he specifically addresses the struggle of coal communities. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #31
Apparently you aren't familiar with jen63 Feb 2016 #43
His plan to rebuild the nation's crumbling infrastructure shawn703 Feb 2016 #40
His plan to spend $1 trillion on new infrastructure jfern Feb 2016 #32
Is there anything you cannot forge into a criticism? It is getting tiresome. nt mikehiggins Feb 2016 #33
I was thinking about writing an article on Bernie's lack of specific solutions for Flint. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #36
What is Hillary's solution for Flint other than a photo op? The real issue with Flint is it is jillan Feb 2016 #60
He's said something about transitioning fossil fuel workers into green jobs fwiff Feb 2016 #34
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #35
Ask Micheal Briggs pat_k Feb 2016 #47
I would like to hear from Bernie. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #53
Your query could prompt him to specifically raise it. pat_k Feb 2016 #61
I supported Howard Dean in 2004. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #62
:) pat_k Feb 2016 #64
I want a pony! jillan Feb 2016 #51
When is Hillary gonna come up with a plan to replace all the jobs outsourced to china, vietnam, litlbilly Feb 2016 #54
When is he going to address the concerns of farriers? That's what I want to know! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #55
You should ask Lincoln Chafee. He went to farrier school. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #57
I have seen the plan HassleCat Feb 2016 #56
You offer some good proposals. So, Bernie has been silent on this issue? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #58

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
1. Clinton sends out her little minions to come up with something Saint Hillary will take care of
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

hoping the masses will ignore how much they've been fucked over. Good luck with that.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
6. Coffee we are on the same side. Imagine if the corn in Iowa had no use and value
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:15 AM
Feb 2016

The communities like in Keokuk County would be devastated. Coal communities need help. I just want to know if Bernie has offered a plan to help them out.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
11. It is, but Camp Clinton isn't doing this because they give a damn about the poor coal miners and
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:27 AM
Feb 2016

their families. They are doing it because they want to distract from the real issue: Our corrupt system of govt.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
19. If Clinton gave a damn about average American familes the two for the price of one couple wouldn't
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

have enacted plans that devastated this country.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
59. They find some niche group and pretend they are said group's savior. With Bernie's healthcare plan
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:25 AM
Feb 2016

healthcare cost is one less thing that coal miners have to worry about. Then they can go to community college for free and learn a way into a different industry. Maybe they get onto a crumbling infrastructure repair crew. Bernie offers lots of help to all Americans in need. He doesn't need to to single out specific groups. We all benefit from his proposals. Bernie offers a percolate up economy. It is much more effective than a piss trickle down that centrists and repukes offer.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
2. That's actually a great question
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie supporter here, but this is a very fair question. I'd like to hear something from Sanders on this.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
10. I also have questions on what solutions has Bernie offered for Flint
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:25 AM
Feb 2016

I know he said he wanted the Governor to resign, but he hasn't offered specific solutions. Hillary has offered a step by step solutions to help the people of Fint.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
13. Hillary had her minions prepare steps for Flint. Hope Bernie talks about how Flint ended up in such
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 AM
Feb 2016

tragic straits to begin with (including the role her banker buddies played).

dchill

(38,502 posts)
3. When will Bernie Sanders buy me a new car?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders will help ALL communities an all families. If you don't believe that, then vote for someone who has already shown who she will help - and hurt.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
8. That's right! If Bernie can't solve every problem in this country then it's all over for him!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

Personally, I need more shelf space in my pantry. What in the hell is Bernie Sanders going to do about that?

And almonds. What about almonds? Someone needs to do something about almonds! Where's your flipping plan for the future of almonds in this country, Bernie?

What about people who leave popcorn buckets and Junior Mint boxes in the movie theater aisles? Either you have a written plan about this problem or you just don't care, Senator Sanders.

Which is it?





Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
17. Oh, I'd much rather focus on WHAT has driven so many families into poverty in the first place. If
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:31 AM
Feb 2016

we don't learn from our mistakes aren't we doomed to repeat them? Like maybe elect someone who recognizes a bad trade agreement when they read it.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
46. Yes. I don't go into detail, because I've learned that only objective people listen.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:07 AM
Feb 2016

.


Anything else would just be a time-waister.


.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
18. Multiply Coal Country by about 70 percent of America
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:32 AM
Feb 2016

With the exception of a few boom areas of hyper growth, Americas itself is becoming the equivalent of coal country, thanks to the systemic destruction of the productive economy, outsourcing, offshorcing, corporate greed and a complete breakdown of social morality by the business class and political and media elites over the last 40 years.

My home city went from 60,000 to 40,000 since the 70's, and we have huge hulking empty buildings that used to be factories.

sanders is trying to set up a new paradigm to move back in a more positive direction, for coal country and the rest of the country that has been hollowed out.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
22. I don't know. Go fucking ask him
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:39 AM
Feb 2016

What are his specific plans for the Rust Belt, New England and all of the other regions that are struggling?

What are Hillary's plans for all those areas?

While there is a legitimate basis for your question, the political cast of it makes it meaningless.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
37. A mix of the same-old and "I'll believe it when I see it" stuff
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:59 AM
Feb 2016

Encourage innovation, etc. etc. same old Third Way stuff. Innovation will happen regardless. Real question is what is the result -- benefit -- of innovation to the larger economy. We become more productive, but workers get the shaft as thanks.

Tax relief to corporations and employers ...nothing new. A variation of Supply Side Trickle Down economics. Been a staple policy for 30 years. Had some benefits admittedly,. But a lot of drawbacks. In extreme form it sets communities against each otehr in bidding wars to give away the store, with the result that governments are tax starved and have to place the burden on the backs of private citizens.....Meanwhile, the companies that extort those concessions often either go out of business or leave when a better offer comers along.

Vigorous enforcement of trade violations? Another mantra that gets trotted out at election time, and then quickly forgotten. In the meantime, we continue to allow Corporate America to impose bad "free trade" policies on us.

In some cases manufacturing does return to America. But, (as someone who has talked to a lot of businesspeople over the years), that is only when the quality of work and other hassles of offshoring outweigh the benefits. But we also continue to gleefully send factories and jobs out of the US.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. It's not spinning -- It's the results of years of observing this stuff professionally
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:05 AM
Feb 2016

I actually have an open mind and some of the stuff is good.

But overall the pattern is destructive, and repeats many of the things that got us into this mess. We need to make more basic changes i the way we do things.

Lochloosa

(16,065 posts)
26. I will give you an honest answer to this question. He already has.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:42 AM
Feb 2016

By proposing health insurance for everyone, he has.

This would allow "coal country", some of the most depressed areas of our country, to finally be able to see what ii is like to visit a doctor. To get a tooth pulled without a string attached to it. To get an oxygen tank refilled without having to give up food for a few days.

By proposing free college...it would allow that really smart kid in the house down in the next holler be able to get a degree and figure out what is causing all the cancer in his home town.

Should I go on?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
28. So, he's offering a one size fits all plan? Wtf...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:44 AM
Feb 2016

Everyone has different needs and come from different backgrounds.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
40. His plan to rebuild the nation's crumbling infrastructure
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

Jobs would be created in those communities just like everywhere else.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
32. His plan to spend $1 trillion on new infrastructure
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

will definitely do some to help decaying old mountain towns with bridges that are about to collapse.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
36. I was thinking about writing an article on Bernie's lack of specific solutions for Flint.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

But I will save that for another day.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
60. What is Hillary's solution for Flint other than a photo op? The real issue with Flint is it is
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:50 AM
Feb 2016

an emergency at this very minute. It cannot wait until Jan 20, 2017. Bernie has said very clearly & in no uncertain terms that we need to repair the infrastructure in this country and said Flint is a prime example of that. Were you not listening??

In the meantime the republicans just blocked a bill to help Flint.
What is President Obama doing about Flint? That is the real question. He is the only one with the power to get something done AT THIS VERY MINUTE!

And then there is this - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/us/regulatory-gaps-leave-unsafe-lead-levels-in-water-nationwide.html?_r=0
Flint-like crisis all over the country. What is Hillary going to do about that? Travel to each and every city for a photo op?


fwiff

(233 posts)
34. He's said something about transitioning fossil fuel workers into green jobs
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

when we can do infrastructure improvements, but I have no idea where.

But since they're in the same boat with the rest of us- fewer jobs, and the ones we have keep leaving, we can try for his plan to strengthen our economy so we're actually creating good jobs again.

Hillary is very good at selecting particular pieces to look good with and create a 'plan', yet free trade without protections for workers is killing us. Carrier is taking 1400 jobs to Mexico under NAFTA.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
47. Ask Micheal Briggs
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:07 AM
Feb 2016

Micheal Briggs, communications director for the campaign, also serves as communications director in Sander's Senate office. Fax over your question attn: Michael Briggs.. Fax: (202) 228-0776. Request that any position information on the subject be mailed to you. You may be surprised by how responsive the staffers can be.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
61. Your query could prompt him to specifically raise it.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:16 AM
Feb 2016

To borrow a slogan from Howard Dean, "You have the power." You want the issue addressed, then actually lobby the candidate (via staff) to address it.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
54. When is Hillary gonna come up with a plan to replace all the jobs outsourced to china, vietnam,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:17 AM
Feb 2016

India etc. Try again....

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
55. When is he going to address the concerns of farriers? That's what I want to know!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

Not good enough, Bernie!

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
56. I have seen the plan
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:20 AM
Feb 2016

It has one excellent provision, which is the promise to help people maintain their health benefits so they can deal with black lung disease and other problems plaguing coal miners. It also picks up pension payments when the coal companies dump their pension plans, but this is already being done for corporate pension plans in general, so it's not big news. There is a great deal of other rhetoric and fluff in there, but nothing substantial.

Want to help coal miners and their families? How about expanding MSHA and enforcing safety regulations? How about seizing assets when coal companies kill their employees? How about prosecuting company officials for paying off inspectors and ignoring orders to improve safety?

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