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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:11 AM Feb 2016

Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton Sugarcoating Her Disastrous Record

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/hillary-clinton-sugarcoat_b_9222616.html

Bernie Sanders is far too easy on Hillary Clinton in their debates. Clinton flaunts her record and experience in ways that Sanders could use to expose her serious vulnerabilities and disqualifications for becoming president. Sanders responds to Clinton's points, but without the precision that could demolish her arrogance.

For example, she repeatedly says that Sanders has not levelled with people about the cost of full Medicare for all, or single-payer. Really? In other countries, single-payer is far simpler and more efficient than our present profiteering, wasteful, corporatized healthcare industry. Canada covers all of its citizens, with free choice of doctors and hospitals, for about $4,500 per capita, compared to the over $9,000 per capita cost in the U.S. system that still leaves tens of millions of people uninsured or underinsured.

Detailed studies in the New England Journal of Medicine show big savings from a single-payer system in our country.


In a devastating recounting of Hillary Clinton's disastrous war-making, Professor of Sustainable Economies at Columbia University, Jeffrey D. Sachs concludes that Clinton "is the candidate of the War Machine." In a widely noted article on Huffington Post Professor Sachs, an advisor the United Nations on millennium development goals, called her record a "disaster," adding that "Perhaps more than any other person, Hillary can lay claim to having stoked the violence that stretches from West Africa to Central Asia and that threatens U.S. security."

The transformation of Hillary Clinton from a progressive young lawyer to a committed corporatist and militarist brings shame on the recent endorsement of her candidacy by the Congressional Black Caucus PAC.
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Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton Sugarcoating Her Disastrous Record (Original Post) AZ Progressive Feb 2016 OP
He's baaaccckk. nt DURHAM D Feb 2016 #1
He is BACK, and nailing it! nt 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #2
Yes he is!!!! 840high Feb 2016 #6
Nader? Beacool Feb 2016 #3
Nader is an asshole -- but his analysis of things is often spot on Armstead Feb 2016 #14
Nader is a phony. how come he didn't get behind Sanders early on and call on people JI7 Feb 2016 #4
He explains it nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #18
What is the date on the Nader video? Oct or Nov? n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #22
The video was Nov 3 2015. Nader's views of Bernie may have changed somewhat, now that 2 primaries JimDandy Feb 2016 #23
Nader is 100% right TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #29
Article seems insightful to me. I liked it. quantass Feb 2016 #5
Ralph Nader is sugarcoating his disastrous record. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #7
I, for one, stand proudly with Ralph Nader Fairgo Feb 2016 #8
Interesting - Hillary Clinton voting with a few hundred other members to authorize Empowerer Feb 2016 #12
Fascinating how that works, isn't it? nt Hekate Feb 2016 #17
Still haven't forgiven him for 2000 and I never will Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #9
Janet Reno gave Bush the presidency with the heavy handed capture of Elian Gonzales AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #16
Nader should apologize for Bush, 9/11 and Iraq, or crawl back oasis Feb 2016 #10
Ralph Nader blue neen Feb 2016 #11
Ralphie, go home; your mother's calling you. Hekate Feb 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #15
Nice to know that Ralph Nader agrees with Bernie Sanders on a lot of things. DLnyc Feb 2016 #19
I find myself caring about this winter is coming Feb 2016 #20
It's nice to finally see Nader supporting a Democrat. :) Good to, finally, have him aboard. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #21
Nader has always had some strange political bedfellows Tanuki Feb 2016 #24
Does Nader ever acknowledge his disastrous record? Renew Deal Feb 2016 #25
There are MANY things that cost that election... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #28
Every once in a while this bitter man crawls out with his livetohike Feb 2016 #26
Nader! bigwillq Feb 2016 #27
Nader is a sad person who no one pays any attention to now Gothmog Feb 2016 #30
This, from the man who handed the 2000 election to George W. Bush. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #31

JI7

(89,252 posts)
4. Nader is a phony. how come he didn't get behind Sanders early on and call on people
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:37 AM
Feb 2016

to support Sanders ?

instead he complained about how Sanders is ignoring him.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
18. He explains it
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:16 AM
Feb 2016

Fully and completely. But many choose not to begin to listen because Ralph doesn't take sides. It's not high school anymore.

This is hardcore independent analysis and some just can't handle it. But it's excellent, and someone has to do it. Historians will appreciate it- It's the fall of Rome all over again. Who wouldn't want a record?

Days of Revolt: the Corporate Coup d'etat



Days of Revolt: The Death of Electoral Politics


Nader talks about Sanders and Clinton


Nader doesn't do pom poms and cheerleading skirts. One day maybe citizens won't treat politicians like their first loves either. They should be treated like any other job applicants- with extreme skepticism.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
23. The video was Nov 3 2015. Nader's views of Bernie may have changed somewhat, now that 2 primaries
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:43 AM
Feb 2016

have shown he is not just viable, but being wildly supported throughout the country. I hope Nader could be part of a President Sander's Administration. It was amazing what he was able to get passed in the 70's. We need him now more than ever.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
29. Nader is 100% right
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

If Bernie is serious, before endorsing Clinton he needs to at least push Clinton to put something in writing that she will honestly fight corporate corruption.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
12. Interesting - Hillary Clinton voting with a few hundred other members to authorize
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:02 AM
Feb 2016

the President to invade Iraq in a bill that would have passed regardless how she voted can never ever be forgiven - EVER - but the man who almost single- handedly delivered the presidency to the man responsble for the war y'all blame her for is welcomed with open arms and the slate has been wiped clean - all because he claims to hate her as much as y'all do.

As I said ... Interesting.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
9. Still haven't forgiven him for 2000 and I never will
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

Screw you, Ralph, even if I agree with you, which I do on practically everything.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
16. Janet Reno gave Bush the presidency with the heavy handed capture of Elian Gonzales
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016

Pictures like this galvanized the Cuban community in Florida to vote for Bush in retribution

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
13. Ralphie, go home; your mother's calling you.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

Nader would prefer we not remember his own disastrous record.

Response to AZ Progressive (Original post)

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
19. Nice to know that Ralph Nader agrees with Bernie Sanders on a lot of things.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:32 AM
Feb 2016

I don't really think, though, that he should be critiquing Bernie's campaign. Bernie is getting one hell of a lot more support in actual contests than Ralph ever did.

If Ralph wants to talk about issues, policies, great, he's a smart guy.

If he wants to talk about political savvy, sorry, Ralph, I don't really see you as much of a wiz in that area!

It's quite possible to be brilliant about how the world works and what it should be doing, and at the same time to have an absolute tin ear about how to win elections. Ralph is living proof of this, in my opinion!

It is fun for us leftists to talk among ourselves about the horrors of the war machine, capitalism, criminal banksters and so on. And the things we say are quite accurate and informative. But most of us figured out, about the time we turned eighteen or so, that if we want to convince anyone outside of our small circle of friends, we sometimes need to take a more nuanced tone. Bernie understands this. Ralph doesn't. I don't mind that Ralph doesn't, because he doesn't need to, he's not trying to convince a large audience. But please let's not get Ralph back into the political process -- a process he has utter contempt for and very little understanding of, apparently. And a process which he has a record of kind of screwing up in a bad way.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
28. There are MANY things that cost that election...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:48 AM
Feb 2016

...any ONE of which could have made the difference. It isn't directly assignable to Nader any more than it is directly assignable to the confusing butterfly ballot, the hanging chads, overvotes (disallowed votes where people punched AND wrote in the same candidate, so the ballot wasn't counted despite clear intent), a "cooperative" Supreme Court, the over-zealous felon list used for voter disenfranchisement, Katherine Harris' halt of the recount... So many things could have thrown the election one way or the other, I can't entirely lay it at Nader's feet. Sure, if No Nader things could have been different... but if no any-of-these-other things, things could have been just as different.

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