2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDNC Chair: Superdelegates Make Sure Party Leaders Don’t Have to Run Against Grassroots Activists
We are, as a Democratic Party, really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention, so we want to give every opportunity to grassroots activists and diverse committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend, and be a delegate at the convention. So we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isnt competition between them, she added.
Im not sure that answer would satisfy an anxious young voter, but lets move on, Tapper replied.
After the Iowa caucus (which Clinton won by 0.3%), and the New Hampshire primary (which Sanders won by 22.4%), Clinton currently has 394 delegates, compared to Sanders 44, according to Bloomberg. It takes a total of 2,382 delegates to win the Democratic nomination.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/dnc-chair-superdelegates-make-sure-party-leaders-elected
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Damn, if she doesn't want the people involved, why is it still called the DEMOCRATIC Party?
Thankfully, the first thing Sanders is going to do after he's inaugerated is to clean the rot out of the DNC, starting with Debbie.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Our leaders are conservative DINOs who work for Moneyed Interests and for us they only give lip service & try to give us only one choice for president while pretending she actually represents US. Not Democracy.
The only thing Democratic about these people is the label they use in vain.
azmom
(5,208 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I makes me want to go out and get an animated Dino (Flintstones) dinosaur and throw it at em...
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Basically acknowledged that it's anti-democratic.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts).just saying
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)This of course would be the other end
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)More proof that Bernie is needed to clean house. They make his point for him. Hillary is the perfect example of what he/we are fighting against, corporations by enough influence to have a shadow government with tentacles in our media.
I do not choose to live under corporate rule!!!!!!!
Release your Wall Street bank speech transcripts Hillary, show us where you were "tough" on Wall Street!
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Looks like Debbie is going scorched earth. Hello 1968.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)There's no other way to put it.
BTW, the primary results so far are:
Popular vote count
Bernie 221,276 Hillary 165,299
Number of total delegates
Bernie 44 Hillary 394
Yep. It would be illegitimate.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)In Iowa and New Hampshire!!
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)TBF
(32,064 posts)they're not going to get away with it. They may in fact award her the crown, but she will lose big in the general.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)PFunk1
(185 posts)Presidency, house, and senate as many of the democratic base(along with independents and others) will just stay home and not vote. With many leaving the party and becoming independents themselves leaving it in shambles.
Yup. It's scorched earth big time. Which is why I hope saner heads prevail on this one.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If she keeps going scorched earth, she will lose badly in November and take the entire ticket (including superdelegate office holders) down with her.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Because then they will blame the loss on the "purists" of the party.
Then again, there just may not be a party left afterwards.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)What a joke!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you and your super cronies can say goodbye to your careers
oh and hello to president trump
or president sanders, if he runs third party which he will have every right to to if they steal the nom from him
idiots...STILL don't know how pissed the people really are.....
Duppers
(28,125 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)They can be voted out if their constituents do not like the way they primary. If a grass roots candidate is an authentic candidate like Bernie we will see super delegates change. Superdelegates however are good safeguards to prevent the Democratic Party from being overrun by some wingnut like Trump. However, you can guarantee if GOP primary goes to convention the establishment i.e. superdelegates on their side will not let Trump come out nominee. So in a sense both parties have safeguards.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)or at least that's what they would count on.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...up for reelection in November. We will know in August at the Convention whether they are supporting their constituents or corporate masters. We can always vote their asses out of office.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)unfortunately, I live in a GOP district.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And some of the superdelegates are DNC VIPs like party chairs, that may hold local office.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)up, it's the corporatista or a Republican.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It's your own grave. Karma is a bitch.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)for the Democratic Party. With that in mind, there's really no reason to have superdelegates unless the point is to overturn the will of the majority of the people. When the Republicans have gotten something right - doing away with superdelegates - we really need to examine ourselves. I don't know if this is the first time it's seemed they could throw an election to the person with the least votes, but it ought to be the last.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Few Sanders supporters will vote for her or any downticket Democrats. Call it A Bloody Tuesday In November for the DNC. There won't be much of the party worth saving. A fitting legacy for Clinton and DWS. They'll be forever written in the history books, but not for the reason they hoped.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)a nominee, but really you're second class citizens, and only the wealthy and powerful matter in the primary...
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)When he said this it should have been page 1 news above the fold. They buried it!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)No the Bernie Sanders Revolution/McGovern/Movement/anti-establishment Party.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)a billionaire could love.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She supported republican incumbents rather than their progressive Democrat challengers.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)election result sd you don't like and cheer for a party dictatorship SELECTING the candidate rather that respect the will of the voters?
Why hold elections if we can just have party insiders together with the lobbyists choose the government for the voters? Surely it will save a lot of time and lobbyist money spent to smear ones opponent.
frylock
(34,825 posts)would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That'd end the party and it's inconceivable. This only emboldens "activists" to vote in the primary, especially young people.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)with very high approval ratings
We are going up against that nonsense on the other side.
The McGovern comparisons are getting really old
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)His henchmen burglarized the Democratic National Headquarters a few months before the 1972 election.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The burglary was back page news until several months after the election when the ties to CREEP were discovered, and Nixons involvement in the coverup.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when the Republicans tried to play the religion card against the Democrats.
I remember the Reverend Billy James Hargis on KTUL-TV (Tulsa, Oklahoma) saying how a vote for Nixon was a righteous vote and a vote for McGovern was a vote for all sorts of bad things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_James_Hargis
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It was after Roe v. Wade that the GOP/Religious Right marriage was consummated.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Without support from Independents, young voters, and Bernie supporters who do not come out.
Just curious. We can call her Mondale then.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)McGovern lost for a number of reasons, not the least of which was he was running against a crooked incumbent who went so far as to have Democratic National Headquarters burglarized just a few months before the election.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Remember his Myspace page?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)The Clinton canp keeps whining about? You be the judge.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and it's very wise to have them.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I get the felling there is going to be a pretty strong correlation in that due to the way the DLC by invitation only membership worked.
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)My god, she just sat there and admitted it!
I mean, talk about living on a flying carpet and zooming around in La-La Land.
She has no idea what she just said !
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)cause. If they put their fingers on the scales, we will have a republican president, and what remains will be a mere husk that once covered a great party.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)And I say this as someone who has associated with the Democratic Party since 1978.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)is beyond reform and a new party is needed.
Without progressive voters, there would be no Democratic Party.
Wasserman-Schultz, Rahm, Hillary, and the rest of the corporate Dems would have a tough time getting votes as the party of the 1% WITHOUT religious nuts and racists.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...and a tough time getting corporate payola if they are no longer a viable party. They're screwed no matter what. The only question is do they acknowledge the will of the people with grace and integrity, or do they go scorched earth and destroy the party in a "if we can't have it no one can" snit fit? I would hope that the former prevails, but it's looking increasingly like the latter.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)You just made me realize this:
Just as the GOP is in a bind because they can't keep their racist base AND hope to attract minorities, so the Democrats are finally getting to the point that they can't keep their Wall Street and corporate fat cat donors AND expect their progressive base to keep voting for "progressively" more corrupt Democrats who make less and less pretense of taking care of the people who put them into office.
yourout
(7,531 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)Grass=Marijuana=BAD
Roots=Natural Color=BAD
Obviating the need for super delegates to stop BAD things from happening...
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)He's also needs money, so if there are any Floridians who can help him out he has a web site, and crap I didn't bother to get the link. But it should be pretty easy to find. I'm doing what I can for Bernie by monthly donations and more in between when I can. I'm just not rich enough to help much,
BUT if anyone here can help him, please do! She owns that place down south and she also hob-nobs with Repukes A LOT! But, as with Bernie... he's "standing his ground" (our quaint motto here) and pushing forward!
kenn3d
(486 posts)This unabashed move to undo President Barack Obama's own safeguards against corruption of the DNC is PROOF that their is no democracy left in the Democratic Party:
The DNC is now merely a Clinton controlled political machine powered by the Corporate Plutocracy. It will be most interesting to see if PBO can or will do anything to thwart this.
Hillary will be funded and endorsed by the elite "1%" establishment.
Bernie must be funded and elected by the other 99%: We the people.
If the Establishment will not represent the people, we the People must re-establish them.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)that if the will of the people was ignored, and the Super Delegates choose the nominee, that I would seriously question whether or not I would remain in the Party. In fact I would definitely be leaving.
I know Bernie has publicly said he will not run an independent campaign. But if this gets stolen from him through this bullcrap, I hope he changes his mind.
We are not the Party that pulls this nonsense. We once were the party of the people. This is going to get ugly.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)cyberpj
(10,794 posts)I never really understood it until this year with the Iowa business.
Did he have the same obstacles?
Or just more love from the caucuses?
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I had been thinking how can this possibly be legal when the Constitution specifically delegates the right to run Presidential elections to the individual states, not to political parties. I found there were many people who believe kicking aside a candidate who prevails via acquiring the most legitimate votes in primary contests to usher in another candidate better suited to there preferences is unconstitutional.
Here is one example:
Superdelgate Intervention Unconstitutional
Even critics of superdelegate deals tend to underestimate the gravity of the issue. In its very essence, the superdelegate system is unconstitutional. It destroys the right of primary voters to choose their own nominee. It offends the principle of one person one vote. In three primary cases (Nixon v. Herndon, 1927, Nixon v. Condon, 1932, Smith v. Allwright, 1944) the Supreme Court affirmed that the right to vote in a primary (a right which includes the right to be counted and respected), is protected by the Constitution. Officials cannot legally circumvent the vote. These were discrimination cases, but the arguments apply directly to the superdelegate situation in the Democratic primary.
Up to a point, a political party is master of its own house. But no party, or group within a party, can legally tamper with primary results. In Terry v. Adams (1953), the Court ruled against the "Jay Bird Association," a group of powerful white Democrats who tried to create a private enforcement process within the Democratic primary. Justice Clark ruled that "any part of the machinery for choosing officials becomes subject to the Constitution's restraints."
The superdelegate system flouts the very purpose for which primaries were conceived. "Fighting" Bob LaFollette, the Wisconsin progressive who organized the first primaries in 1903, hated boss-controlled conventions. The aim of the primaries is to remove the nominations from the hands of professionals and the wealthy donors whom professionals obey. The superdelegate issue should not be resolved through deals or negotiations. The integrity of elections is not negotiable. The superdelegate system deserves to be abolished.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/02/18/screw-voters-let-superdelegates-decide
I hope Bernie Sanders seeks a Constitutional lawyer's advice on this subject, if he hasn't already.
Sam
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)One person. One vote. No super tampering to flout the will of the people and their Constitutional rights in this economic, revolutionary Presidential election.
Sam
yurbud
(39,405 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)More people need to see it!
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Feel free to copy and retweet.