you are fucking BRILLIANT!

But he's not a shit-stirrer...if you know what I mean.

a discussion of their respective foreign policy visions?

Not worth playing your inane games.

Bye bye

He supports that war machine through its manufacture in his state, hence is no pacifist. We will not see signs of pacifism in his foreign policy.

I initially mentioned it up-thread because someone claimed he was a pacifist and I disagreed.

Kissinger gave the go-ahead for the Military Junta to exterminate the Left.

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it is not decorous to use the latter for a lady!

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Churchill was certainly as much of an imperialist as Kissinger - if not more so.

and one that pushed for genocide I guess I will go with Churchill.

Churchill was the leader of the UK who led the instigation of that coup.

How about Churchill's policy towards India? Kenya?

embracing Kissinger and his world view.

I don't think that Hillary embraces Kissinger's world view, however. She has said that they often see the world differently and advocate for different policies.

However, I do agree with you that there is a significant difference between the close relationship between HRC and Kissinger versus Bernie just citing Churchill as a historical figure that he admires.

in her history as a Senator and in her history as SoS. Not identical but there are marked similarities.

I confess to not knowing as much about the connection as I should. In fact, I credit Bernie raising the point in the debate for inspiring me to read up more about Kissinger and Hillary.

That said, I still think her record and statements ought to be the focus.

"We have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past."

She's the one who brought up Kissinger in the last debate, as if to flaunt it, to her friends on the left, to borrow an Obama phrase.

I think its incredibly tone deaf AND UNDEMOCRATIC to hang out with Kissinger and I think it reflects badly on her, her supporters, the party and us as a nation that this is the best candidate that the establishment can offer.

Bringing up Kissinger is one way to evaluate what she would be like as president.

Another way to evaluate that is by looking at her record as Secretary of State.

She has spoken extensively about her views on Libya, Iraq, Iran, China, Korea, and numerous international situations.

It seems like screaming: "She vacations with Kissinger!" is less conducive to a reasoned analysis of what kind of president she would be than looking at the totality of her record with respect to foreign affairs

And for the record, she has horrible policy ideas for the region, and thank GOD for Kerry.

Seems Edwardian Britain never died- it just shifted geographically (apologies to Philip K. Dick RIP)

The only downside would be possible UN armed troop escort to the Hague for your flatmate. (we can dream)

Hillary has had stronger support from the demographic that would be most likely to be aghast at her embrace of Kissinger as well.

It's not a tiny faux-pas.

It is hugely revelatory.

I truly hope that the over 55's that had been supporting her are paying attention. This is a big deal.

it'd benefit the Foundation financially or let Lanny build up lobbyist cred or political expedience to look tough for the election, but because she BELIEVES in crushing other countries