2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie surges, Hillary falls sharply in Reuters Likely voters tracking poll
Sanders is now at 46%, Clinton is at 54%. Bernie has gained significantly with AA voters.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/12/1484385/-Bernie-Surges-12-Clinton-Falls-11-in-Reuters-LV-Tracking-Poll-Sanders-Gains-13-With-Af-Ams
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/LIKELY_PRIMARY15:1,PARTY_ID_:1,PD1:1
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And I dig it. We are saturated with slogans and talking points every day from corporations and hucksters trying to skew our thinking in favor of corporate profit and consumerism, and away from true democracy and humanity- and Earth-based values.
You're fighting fire with fire--to my mind, a modern-day Thomas Paine. Go, you!
I look in threads to see if you have replied...thank you cantbeserious.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Just like Bernie, the message is consistent and always on point!
One of my favorite posters, by far!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)1monster
(11,012 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)You would think I would get used to the bug on the screen already and stop trying to wipe it off!!!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)shawn703
(2,702 posts)And they keep saying he's reached a plateau. Where have they moved that ceiling to now?
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)And I recall reading here a few months back that he wouldn't even make it to New Hampshire.
Go Bernie!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)HRC's campaign must be freaking out. I would be if I were them
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Their corporate taskmasters are not reasonable people. They want results, they're not committed to the bitter end for one candidate. If she can't assure them that she can win cleanly...
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, cali.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)will probably pick up more AA voters as they become more familiar with his proposals. The question is where is his ceiling.
He's earnest but not folksy like Bill Clinton was. Will that play well enough?
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...because he's the real deal. And discerning voters know that.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Team Hill's greatest weakness is that they pretend everything is fine- for the people that aren't in good shape, that's a slap in the face right away.
Bernie is doing well to say that there's a problem, and that the problem is NOT that we not adopting more republican economic and social policy.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)The status quo is fine for those who are doing well. But too many are not doing well, and that's the reality, even after two terms of Obama. It practicallly considered blasphemy to mention this, but the so-called "recovery" has not trickled down to far too many. When I hear "stay the course," and "continue what Obama" started, I think of all the people who would continue to suffer in the name of incrementalism. Do corporations and the 1% have to deal with incrementalism? Are wars incremental?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Lots of odd sacred cows lately...and an almost Republican streak of "I've got mine!"
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Welcome!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)he makes us aware not just that "promises didn't come true" but that there's a political machine at work, one that isn't even handing out anything but we keep on pulling that lever because the other guy's worse (and yet we still have to adopt 'is rhetoric and go halfway with their policies just for now and go to their donors and and and)
it's not a primary between two people or two programs
Sanders doesn't say "we don't have XYZ" but that both parties are carefully set up to keep us from XYZ because it gives a billionaire a few bucks: there's the "veal pen" and the constant "we WOULD if only we had just a FEW MORE reps" and the voter-blaming and DWS endorsing Pubs and Connecticut '06
he talks about the machinery, not just the product
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I don't know who will win, but it is alarming nevertheless how incompetent the DLC and other establishment Democrats have been. The attempt at swiftboating Bernie on his past civil rights experiences, the multiple easily debunked lies and misdirection, turning back the clock on campaign finance reforms president Obama worked to enact on the DLC (thus playing into the narrative that both parties are the same)... it's been one misted after another. Bernie Sanders brings up a few facts about Clinton and big money and the Clinton campaign goes into full panic mode. At this point, the probabilities are still in Clinton's favor, but how will she handle the full on GoP attack or Trump's mudslinging should she win?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)There was never supposed to be anyone close to her in the primary, and the GE was supposed to be in the bag by claiming she would continue Obama policies and everything is just peachy(for the 1%).
The Establishment really believed they had beaten OWS and it was gone forever. Oops!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)About 7% more voters would go to the polls for Bernie than for Hillary.
Important to keep an eye on this one.
artyteacher
(598 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)She's still has a 21-point lead nationally with Blacks, but that's lower than what it used to be and with a NV victory for Sanders you could expect that to drop even further.
Rybak187
(105 posts)when it was released.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)each constituency even if they contradicted each other, and even got everyone Googling my friend Kissinger! how am I not winning?!"
Hydra
(14,459 posts)You're just being yourself. Nobody can ask more than that.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DLnyc
(2,479 posts)essentially tied.
Of course a lot of those people might not vote. Unless, by some chance, Sanders supporters get out and register thousands of new voters!
Just saying.