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Bernie surges, Hillary falls sharply in Reuters Likely voters tracking poll (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
We Us Together - Vs - No Can't and Impossible -- The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1
Love your slogans, Cantbeserious. You're on a mission! Old Crow Feb 2016 #6
Agree! SoapBox Feb 2016 #8
Agree too! You and Cali are awesome! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #14
Me, too ybbor Feb 2016 #25
exactly azurnoir Feb 2016 #9
We, Us, Our, Together vs I, Me, Mine, No we can't... 1monster Feb 2016 #17
oh FFS basselope Feb 2016 #36
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #2
Camp Weathervane keeps talking about this ceiling for Bernie shawn703 Feb 2016 #3
Hilary has not floored yet. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #5
His "plateau" was what, 30%? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #12
Boundry Peak Nevada is pretty high! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #13
What did I tell ya? Hillary is toast! Helen Borg Feb 2016 #4
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #7
These trendlines are amazing Arazi Feb 2016 #10
They are, and not just from that Hydra Feb 2016 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #11
Bernie.. speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #15
I think the point is that Bernie doesn't have to "play"... mak3cats Feb 2016 #18
Can you win elections with discerning voters? speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #19
It certainly seems to be looking that way, hmmm? (eom) mak3cats Feb 2016 #20
You can when they are in pain Hydra Feb 2016 #32
Hydra nails it noiretextatique Feb 2016 #37
Thank you! Hydra Feb 2016 #39
The class war is definitely in the D party noiretextatique Feb 2016 #40
"the Sanders difference" is that he MAKES voters into discerning voters MisterP Feb 2016 #34
+1000 eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #38
Excellent post! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #42
It's only February 13...keep working Bernie peeps and we'll see and I like what I see! K&R Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #16
She's run a pretty terrible campaign so far Bradical79 Feb 2016 #21
They were never prepared to run a campaign in the first place Hydra Feb 2016 #33
She's using Black people which is terrible Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #22
Interesting to look at the % of peeps who wouldn't vote for Hillary/Bernie in Trump matchup. JudyM Feb 2016 #23
so in other word she's still way ahead. eom artyteacher Feb 2016 #24
No. She is losing ground in poll after poll. He is doing the opposite. cali Feb 2016 #26
That's Now 3 National Polls Showing a single-digit lead for Clinton DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #27
The Quinnipiac poll from the other day is not looking like as big of an outlier as it was looking Rybak187 Feb 2016 #28
"but I threw all the mud I could, called in every favor in public, made appealing promises to MisterP Feb 2016 #29
Don't worry Madame Former Secretary Hydra Feb 2016 #35
Every time I see a poll I think of how much the Clintons pay polling firms. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #30
Clinton 41.2% Sanders 40.8%, when you turn off "likely voter" filter. DLnyc Feb 2016 #41

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
6. Love your slogans, Cantbeserious. You're on a mission!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

And I dig it. We are saturated with slogans and talking points every day from corporations and hucksters trying to skew our thinking in favor of corporate profit and consumerism, and away from true democracy and humanity- and Earth-based values.

You're fighting fire with fire--to my mind, a modern-day Thomas Paine. Go, you!

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
25. Me, too
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

Just like Bernie, the message is consistent and always on point!

One of my favorite posters, by far!

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
36. oh FFS
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

You would think I would get used to the bug on the screen already and stop trying to wipe it off!!!

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
3. Camp Weathervane keeps talking about this ceiling for Bernie
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

And they keep saying he's reached a plateau. Where have they moved that ceiling to now?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
12. His "plateau" was what, 30%?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

And I recall reading here a few months back that he wouldn't even make it to New Hampshire.

Go Bernie!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
31. They are, and not just from that
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Their corporate taskmasters are not reasonable people. They want results, they're not committed to the bitter end for one candidate. If she can't assure them that she can win cleanly...

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
15. Bernie..
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

will probably pick up more AA voters as they become more familiar with his proposals. The question is where is his ceiling.

He's earnest but not folksy like Bill Clinton was. Will that play well enough?

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
18. I think the point is that Bernie doesn't have to "play"...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

...because he's the real deal. And discerning voters know that.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
32. You can when they are in pain
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

Team Hill's greatest weakness is that they pretend everything is fine- for the people that aren't in good shape, that's a slap in the face right away.

Bernie is doing well to say that there's a problem, and that the problem is NOT that we not adopting more republican economic and social policy.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
37. Hydra nails it
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

The status quo is fine for those who are doing well. But too many are not doing well, and that's the reality, even after two terms of Obama. It practicallly considered blasphemy to mention this, but the so-called "recovery" has not trickled down to far too many. When I hear "stay the course," and "continue what Obama" started, I think of all the people who would continue to suffer in the name of incrementalism. Do corporations and the 1% have to deal with incrementalism? Are wars incremental?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. "the Sanders difference" is that he MAKES voters into discerning voters
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

he makes us aware not just that "promises didn't come true" but that there's a political machine at work, one that isn't even handing out anything but we keep on pulling that lever because the other guy's worse (and yet we still have to adopt 'is rhetoric and go halfway with their policies just for now and go to their donors and and and)

it's not a primary between two people or two programs

Sanders doesn't say "we don't have XYZ" but that both parties are carefully set up to keep us from XYZ because it gives a billionaire a few bucks: there's the "veal pen" and the constant "we WOULD if only we had just a FEW MORE reps" and the voter-blaming and DWS endorsing Pubs and Connecticut '06

he talks about the machinery, not just the product

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
21. She's run a pretty terrible campaign so far
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know who will win, but it is alarming nevertheless how incompetent the DLC and other establishment Democrats have been. The attempt at swiftboating Bernie on his past civil rights experiences, the multiple easily debunked lies and misdirection, turning back the clock on campaign finance reforms president Obama worked to enact on the DLC (thus playing into the narrative that both parties are the same)... it's been one misted after another. Bernie Sanders brings up a few facts about Clinton and big money and the Clinton campaign goes into full panic mode. At this point, the probabilities are still in Clinton's favor, but how will she handle the full on GoP attack or Trump's mudslinging should she win?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
33. They were never prepared to run a campaign in the first place
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

There was never supposed to be anyone close to her in the primary, and the GE was supposed to be in the bag by claiming she would continue Obama policies and everything is just peachy(for the 1%).

The Establishment really believed they had beaten OWS and it was gone forever. Oops!

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
23. Interesting to look at the % of peeps who wouldn't vote for Hillary/Bernie in Trump matchup.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

About 7% more voters would go to the polls for Bernie than for Hillary.

Important to keep an eye on this one.

27. That's Now 3 National Polls Showing a single-digit lead for Clinton
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

She's still has a 21-point lead nationally with Blacks, but that's lower than what it used to be and with a NV victory for Sanders you could expect that to drop even further.

Rybak187

(105 posts)
28. The Quinnipiac poll from the other day is not looking like as big of an outlier as it was looking
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

when it was released.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
29. "but I threw all the mud I could, called in every favor in public, made appealing promises to
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

each constituency even if they contradicted each other, and even got everyone Googling my friend Kissinger! how am I not winning?!"

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
41. Clinton 41.2% Sanders 40.8%, when you turn off "likely voter" filter.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

essentially tied.

Of course a lot of those people might not vote. Unless, by some chance, Sanders supporters get out and register thousands of new voters!

Just saying.

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