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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:27 AM Feb 2016

CNN: "Clinton's 'me' versus Sanders' 'us'"

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(CNN)Two speeches, two candidates and a markedly different focus when it comes to pronouns.... Clinton may be one of the most experienced presidential candidates in recent history, and yet a pitch based on that might be a drawback on a campaign. She used the pronouns "I" or "me" in that speech 44 times. She used the words "we" or "us" less than half that amount -- 21 times.

For Sanders, it was the exact opposite. Sanders used the words "I" or "me" 26 times. "We" or "us" was used more than twice as much -- 54 times.... Clinton's pitch to voters is all about her, they said. ... Sanders' experience is about them. What they all can do together.

"It's a big problem," says former Obama adviser David Axelrod. "When you make experience your message, by definition, you're going to be talking about yourself more than you're going to be talking about others. It's a great contrast with Bernie, who rarely talks about himself. So his message is about something larger.... winning campaigns and they have messages of empowerment -- they're inclusive," said Axelrod, a CNN contributor. "'Yes, we can' was a great example of that."... On Monday, New Hampshire voter Donna Manion told National Public Radio, "I can, in my mind, think I'm pro-Hillary all the way, and then Bernie Sanders' ideas that he exposes me to really cause me to think in ways I hadn't thought before. I think in terms of 'us' a lot when I listen to Bernie talk. Whereas, when I listen to Hillary, even though I respect so much of what she has done and the person that she is, I hear the word 'I,' 'I,' 'I' a lot."

Analyses of other speeches showed that Sanders did use "we" or "us" more than the first-person pronouns, while Clinton said "I" or "me" more than she used the more inclusive pronouns, though the ratio was less stark. The pattern did not repeat itself in debates or town halls, where the candidates had less control of their messages. We will be taking a more comprehensive look at these speeches in the future.
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bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
1. That doesn't bother me
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:31 AM
Feb 2016

When Hillary or any other candidate uses I or me. In some cases, what else are they going to say?

"Well, when we voted for the Iraq war....."


So when Hillary uses "when I" it fits.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
2. We don't Vote, I voted,, would be a sign of responsibility, usurping Credit should work both ways .
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

Wheres all that experience in " We acted on the information We were given " Foreign affairs, cutting deals with Saudi Arabia and the CIA don't stop wars .

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
5. I am voting for Bernie
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

I can't stand Hillary, but it doesn't bother me when a politician uses I or me. Again, in some cases, what else are they going to say?

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
8. It is not the wording of the message; it is the message. We agree that one cannot brag about one's
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

personal goals and ambitions and experiences without using the word "I" but if one's goals are society's goals, it is inevitable you will need to use the words "we" and "us" more.

I do understand that Clinton's message necessitates that she will find the need to use the word "I" more commonly in her speeches -- I think that is a diagnostic symptom of the fatal flaw in her campaign.

It is not that anyone is bothered by the use of the word "I" -- it's that the overuse of the word "I" is symptomatic of the personal ambition over public goals at the heart of Clinton's campaign.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
6. K & R. People realize and appreciate Bernie including them by using 'we' and 'us'.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

It's We the People, remember. Axelrod seems like he grasps the power and effectiveness of the distinction from this report, hopefully. The implications couldn't be more important, and obvious.

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