They are trying to make every single tiny incident in his past look like he has been dishonest. It is desperation and it won't succeed. In fact, it is going to backfire.

She is being very dishonest in her attacks on Sanders and that will only solidify the perception that she and the truth have a very distant relationship.

is that any second Bernie could throw the kitchen sink at her with facts.
She has a complete closet that is over stuffed with crap and the whole reason why I think hasn't yet? He's trying to stay out of the mess and keeping it classy. Conservatives are now also starting to attack her like crazy and it's getting bad, really bad, like in the new Cruz ad.

I'm not even sure I should post the video here of his ad but it's the first result https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ted+cruz+hillary That is absolutely brutal.

If Hillary wants to play dirty then maybe she is more like the other side than what we ever knew.

it fills me with dread for the immediate and possibly long term future. I don't think the American people would ever elect anything as disgusting as Cruz, but the ad brings out some uncomfortable facts and possibilities.

Fact: Ted Cruz is a living reminder of the distorted carcass that Christianity has become, an ongoing punch in the face of the astonishingly wise and loving Jesus.

Possibility: these people (Republicans) probably will attack Bernie in similar violent fashion if he gets the nom. Due to the fact that the man is such a good person and also in his 70s, I'm not sure I could stand to watch it being done to him.

Fact: the Hillary campaign has already started to wade deep into the mud in their attempt to besmirch Bernie's character and life work. I've seen her and Bill do it before in their racist attacks on Obama last time around. I find their behavior alarming and reprehensible. If either the Clintons or the Republicans severely injure Bernie Sanders, I, and I believe others, will hate them.

Possibility: We, America, could end up with a monster Republican or someone like Hillary. If so, then I weep for my country, for the people of America, and for the world.

It seems there is no way forward that does not involve injury to Bernie.

So, this is the mix of thoughts and emotions the Cruz ad brings up for this Bernie supporter.

Happy Saturday.

you don't realize how far to the right the Party has come over the last 30 years.

merely calling ones self a Democrat. It one had to prove they upheld Democratic Principles, she would have been out decades ago. If for no other reason than betraying the Democratic Party by joining the Republicons in their War for Oil and profits. The term is DINO.

candidate.

Cruz says outlandish things, but the wheels are turning. He is cunning, like a ferret. He is good at pretending to be virtuous, but he is as slimy and evil as they come, as an examination of his policies proves.

It's also what was said about W. Don't misunderestimate the jerk.

btw, your username has been one of my recurring earworms forever -- not a bad thing, either.

All of us here knows she fabricates crap that isn't true.

All of us here know about her historical record.

All of us here know about how she implied racial stuff against Obama in 08.


The question is: Will the African-American and Latino community in Nevada and SC know what we know?

And that ain't a known-unknown either.

found this jewel:

There's a YouTube video call Hillary Lying for 13 Minutes. The will make for the cheapest ad campaign ever. Unfortunately, Bernie won't use it.

IIRC, that video is going viral, and a LOT of people are viewing it.

Because you are correct, it can't be fixed.

As the old saying goes: You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

The Clinton campaign knows this, so their only avenue of response is to try and tear down (swift boat) Senator Sanders.

The Clinton campaign has to try and make Democratic primary voters believe that Bernie is as bad as Hillary. Unfortunately for them and fortunately for us, Bernie is the real deal ... he isn't perfect, but he has indeed been consistent and principled in his politics almost all of his life.

By going negative on Sen. Sanders the Hillary bunch only reinforces the untrustworthy and unlikeable characteristics that haunt her -- that can't be fixed!

The Hillary Clinton candidacy flaws are very deep and very serious.

She is apparently shaking up her staff. As the story/opinion piece indicated her campaign wouldn't change because of new staff.

It's because Hillary WON"T change.

I would like to think this MAY be a case of Vuja Da--a situation where this never happened before. But it did in 2008.

She'd have better trustworthy numbers except for one thing.

She's not trustworthy.

But if it wasn't for that one thing ...

Yupster has got it!

If Hillary tries to change yet again that only demonstrates that she isn't principled or consistent.
It's a positive feedback loop with negative consequences for Mrs. Clinton.

As opposed to the other hundred or so times you've said she was toast?

Thanks for the headsup I guess.

Or maybe next time! Or the time after that!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

It's the constant denigration of another Democrat that cracks me up.

"It's all about the issues! Unless we can find something else. Emails. Benghazi. Polls. Whatever."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

She's what the republicans left behind when they made that hard right turn.

And we accept it, because we've convinced ourselves it's the only way to get a party win. I contend, we stand up for our party, and demand it return to our values, and ignore the corporatists trying to take it over.

who swear Bernie is not a democrat. He knows the real definition of what a "democrat" is. He embodies it. It is not a party label. He is the real deal.

As my mother always asked me when I got out of bed grumpy, did you get up on the wrong side of your bed? That's my question to you!

How are national security (emails) and war (Benghazi) not issues?

These are issues which matter deeply to many voters on both left and right. Dismissing them as non-issues is not going make them go away. Instead of trying to pooh-pooh them, the Clinton campaign would be better off coming out and saying "I'm sorry. I messed up. It won't happen again."

You and Hillary Clinton might not care about decisions which lead to the senseless deaths of American (and other) soldiers, ambassadors and ordinary citizens but many people do.

Bernie Sanders wants to put a stop to it and he is certainly no right-winger.

Not everybody is a millionaire like the Clintons. We cannot all afford to live in a gated household with security personnel following us around, bullet proof vehicles for safe travel and a free pass to avoid military service. Yes, many people care.

about trumped up right wing propaganda.

Hillary Clinton's vote for the Iraq war and the hundreds of thousands of deaths that led to, Hillary Clinton's misuse of her email service which could lead to God knows what and Hillary Clinton's failure as Secretary of State to protect her diplomatic corps in Libya are issues on public record not trumped up charges.

Not caring is your right, of course, but go tell that to the loved ones of all those dead people.

Right wing propaganda has no place on DU.

No response to Dustlawyer's post (#5)? Surely, you can see the "truth" in what happened, the "swift-boating" of Bernie's historic activism? Doesn't this bother you even a little bit?!?

When only 6% of survey respondents find Hi11ary "truthful," that's a legacy that cannot be erased.

They had John Lewis cast doubt, changed captions on pictures of Bernie leading the student protest there, Jonathan Capart (sp) attack on this issue while not disclosing that his partner works in the Hillary campaign, all despite the fact that the photographer says its Bernie and Bernie was FREAKING ARRESTED for his role in leading the student protest. Coincidentally (NOT), this happens right before SC Primary where the AA vote is crucial.

No wonder people don't trust her! Slimey POS!

who has refuted claims.

swift boating him more generally, on his integrity.....

they are trying to attack him on one of his strong points

When Kerry was swiftboated, he didn't fight back. Bernie can't let this stand. He needs to kick this baseless shit in the ass with a strong public pronouncement setting the record straight. And while he's at it, he should call out the Clinton campaign for these scurrilous tactics which are unbecoming of a Presidential candidate.

what is step one?

getting Capehart to publically renounce his falsehood?

or?

One that demands honesty of the Hill campaign more directly than Bernie is willing to do? Some of us are either maxed out or getting close.

It's a thought.

we're going to need to do something for the long haul
what happens months from now if individuals max out on ind contributions?

the net is working pretty well so far but the debunking would be better if we could afford to get it on the msm

while i hate to give wapo any business a citizen controlled superpac taking a page ad out debunking capehart and demanding a real retraction might work

remember when the nyt helped to defund acorn...they really never printed a redaction...sad thing all the grand old papers have been bought up

It has to be transparent and grassroots.

moves that would put a heavyweight boxer to shame.

I don't believe Bernie would do it, but I believe that it directly related to the biggest issue in his campaign. The influence of money in our election system and our media. What did Hillary say to "crack down on Wall Street?"

I also believe that the transcripts should be produced so that we can evaluate her as a candidate. She has such high trust issues with Americans then she can go a long way to solving them by showing how tough she was on Wall Street to their face! But we already know what is in them really. I mean lets be pragmatic about it! Wall Street gives her a yuuuuge amount of money and support, and has for a long time to present day. Does anyone really think that these financial predators would do that, and for so long, if she didn't provide a "Quid Pro Quo?"

She is stuck, she cannot ever produce them, and she cannot justify not producing them! Bernie does not have that problem. It could give Bernie the win and prove his point all at the same time.

She told them that it was not all their fault that we went into a Great Recession; that "WE" got into it together and "WE" would have to get through it together.

That's what they paid 275,000 to hear.

the more people think she has something to hide. And she probably has something to hide.

People are wondering why he would put his reputation on the line. No one is buying his memory lapse.

people think Bernie is MORE honest and trustworthy than Clinton.

That is ALL that is said here.

Do NOT read anymore into it than is there.

have been kicked under the bus by the Clintons in the past by things like welfare reform, tough on crime laws, for profit prisons, NAFTA, etc. All of us remember and it adds up to distrust of both of them.

Then add the corporate donors, the rumors.......

Too bad, so sad, she cant buy herself out of that hole of lies they've dug.

maybe if hrc supporters bury their heads they wont see this.

is beyond me

Mi Abuela indeed.

People without conscience do not mind its absence in others.

Takeoff on Brian Williams?

'Cuz if it isn't, then she, too, should have a time-out from the national stage. Demotion, too. Plus numerous published pieces questioning if she should have her head examined.

Cher

Although I trust very few politicians. Most are corrupt.

sink so low with her attacks on Sanders. Now I don't even like her!

and he said what drew him to Bernie was integrity.

He certainly has been a disgusting piece of work over the last few years. I can't take a guy who provides so much fodder for the rabid right wingers like Alex Jones seriously. It's no surprise that West is drawn to those who echoed his calls to primary Obama.

The panel also included Donna Murch, Christopher Whitt, and James Small...all of whom also are supporting Bernie, but maybe they are also "disgusting pieces(s) of work".

Seriously. His writings are all over infowars. It is really disgusting to see the names he has called the first African American POTUS.

I bet it would reverse that!

for the kitchen sink tactic being applied.......

Attacking him makes him stronger.

Only thing Hillary can do is adopt all his positions, and hope no one notices.

She's halfway there.....

if we fail to empower the voters to have their votes counted above the establishment's anti-democratic impulses.

It would be a sad irony if Trump beats Clinton because the Republican nominating process is so much more "democratic" that the Democratic nominating process.

I find the so-called "super delegate" business to be unsettling. Conceivably, Sanders could end up winning a majority of the delegates that are selected on the basis of primary and caucus victories and still come up short, because of a certain block of super delegates who will not necessarily be representing the wishes of voters. At this time I can't say for certain, but this might tip the balance for me in favor of Sanders.

flipped after they saw the potential anti-democratic effect of staying with Hillary after the voters expressed a clear preference for Obama.

I am hopeful that the same may happen this cycle (or else I fear there will be a party revolt that will make the riots at the Chicago convention seem relatively polite).

there would be mayhem at the convention and it would doom hillary with the general electorate; the repugs could simply say: even her party doesn't want her as prez

I mean, it's possible, but I'll give Hillary a little more credit than being willing to burn the party completely to the ground if she doesn't get what she wants. And grabbing victory by way of super delegates would do exactly that. The general election would be an absolute slaughter. Between people in our party being pissed off that the will of the voters counted for absolutely nothing and the non-stop ads whoever the Republican is would run about how Hillary doesn't care about democracy, we'd get massacred, both in the general and in down ticket elections.

As always.

So many conservatives that I know would trust Bernie much more than they would trust Clinton or tRump, it's not funny.
They don't like any of the other idiots running on their RepubliCON ticket either. So if they were to vote tomorrow, they would vote for Sanders.

You people are truly deluded if you think conservatives are going to vote for Saint Bernard and this Light and Magic Show. The setup is priceless. But I would recommend testing the contents of whatever it is you're swilling. Before the brew catches up.

Which 33%? Those who thought "honesty" was most important -- in other words voters who for one reason or another have bought the RW noise playing everywhere since '92 and little else.

Also, it's New Hamsha.

Blacks have different priorities and they really are creating a firewall for Hillary. According to the article, white Dems tend to be more liberal than black Dems.

"Linked fate, in a political context, suggests that black voters approach elections with one simple question: Which candidate is better for the African American population? The analysis begins at the most fundamental level by ascertaining which party or candidate is most likely to protect civil rights and support equal access to economic opportunity for blacks. Everything else is secondary. For example, a politician’s stance on renewable energy, free market economics, abortion, immigration, national debt, and role of the military in regional conflicts all pale in comparison to basic considerations of liberty."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431215/black-voters-clinton-sanders

The first thing I found was Michelle Alexander's article, which details the devastation the Clintons have wrought on the black community. She writes that Hillary doesn't deserve the black vote. I've also read that blacks feel like they are being taken for granted and find it insulting; I'm sure they do!

But word is, Bernie is like a professor with abstract ideas and doesn't give specific responses to their very specific questions and needs. You can't say, "My policies will lift all boats." They want specifics and detail, and Bernie isn't delivering it. Further, the polls are what they are and not budging.

I liken it to Rahm Emanuel's re-election. I had to know the demographics. Believe it or not, poor blacks voted overwhelmingly for Rahm. An article explained that black leadership (establishment) failed its constituents and re-elected Obama's mayor. Since I've seen it with my own eyes, I'm more inclined to believe the narrative that Hillary will win the primary because the black vote will carry her.

Of course, hoping I'm wrong. However, I think 60% or more of the delegates will be decided by Super Tuesday.

This is in no way meant to be argumentative. But, if only 6% think honesty is important, and Hillary got 38% of the vote, does that mean that 84% of Hillary supporters don't care about honesty and trustworthiness? What else could it mean?

You see it on here on a daily basis, you can bring up facts and they put their hands over their ears. It's sad

So, in that case Hillary's dishonesty is nothing of note.

Or that there are degrees of dishonesty that make some dishonesty acceptable. And in their view Hillary hasn't crossed that line.

Or they may feel that what others are calling dishonesty is simply a partisan manipulation of her statements to attack her.

) in making up lies about Hillary until people believed.


most of us, but not all, are the republican dream voter - gullible and having short memories.