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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:28 PM Feb 2016

I knew John Lewis wouldn't let his comment about Bernie Sanders stand

Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)

...it looks like he's done himself some good here.

Civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis on Saturday clarified comments he made earlier this week questioning Sen. Bernie Sanders’ involvement in the civil rights movement. Lewis, who is supporting Hillary Clinton over Sanders in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, had said he never met Sanders.

“In the interest of unity, I want to clarify the statement I made at Thursday’s news conference,” Lewis said in a statement from the Congressional Black Caucus PAC, which endorsed Clinton on Thursday. “I was responding to a reporter’s question who asked me to assess Sen. Sanders’ civil rights record. I said that when I was leading and was at the center of pivotal actions within the Civil Rights Movement, I did not meet Sen. Bernie Sanders at any time. The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism. Thousands sacrificed in the 1960s whose names we will never know, and I have always given honor to their contribution.”


Lewis had also suggested that he had known Bill and Hillary Clinton during the civil rights era, a comment he also clarified.

”If you take a look at a transcript of my statement, you will find I did not say that I met Hillary and Bill Clinton when I was chairman of SNCC in the 1960s. My point was that when I was doing the work of civil rights, led the Voter Education Project and organized voter registration in the South in the 1970s, I did cross paths with Hillary and Bill Clinton in the field. They were working in politics, and Bill Clinton became attorney general of Arkansas in the 1970s as well. That began a relationship with them that has lasted until today,” Lewis said in the statement.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/john-lewis-clarifies-comments-bernie-sanders
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I knew John Lewis wouldn't let his comment about Bernie Sanders stand (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
And for the umpteenth time, Rep. Lewis proves himself to be a class act Empowerer Feb 2016 #1
I didn't need a bit of proof bigtree Feb 2016 #3
I was hoping he'd Faux pas Feb 2016 #2
a good man Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #4
as they stood bigtree Feb 2016 #5
they did indeed Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
When I heard his original comment it was pretty clear the context was missing. Hoyt Feb 2016 #6
It was clear that it was out of context artislife Feb 2016 #12
Of course he did the right thing, he's a man of integrity. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #7
I am glad he did this. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #8
That was your implication gwheezie Feb 2016 #9
even that wasn't clear bigtree Feb 2016 #15
Not just me... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #32
You think he would have made a clarification if not for the "hyperventilated attacks"? frylock Feb 2016 #10
I didn't know what to think bigtree Feb 2016 #14
I've always admired him, but have been dismayed by his comments of late.. frylock Feb 2016 #17
Nice to see he backed down LittleBlue Feb 2016 #11
It shouldn't stain his career. artislife Feb 2016 #16
no he didn't bigtree Feb 2016 #18
It's sad that you're seriously claiming he stained his career mythology Feb 2016 #23
Has has has. That's the past LittleBlue Feb 2016 #33
So he is saying he lied in the book Conversations: William Jefferson Clinton from Hope to Harlem Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #13
Bill Clinton recalls the first meeting which is consistent with Lewis' statements bigtree Feb 2016 #19
A quote from Rep Lewis in a book about meeting Bill Clinton is ridiculous? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #20
And Clinton wasn't AG EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #22
nonsense EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #21
Toss out the smackdown during the height of the weekday news cycle. mhatrw Feb 2016 #24
Be sure to start with a cheap shot moondust Feb 2016 #25
not a shot at 'truth tellers' clarifying his civil rights experiences bigtree Feb 2016 #28
That's called exaggeration. moondust Feb 2016 #29
I'm glad you haven't seen any bigtree Feb 2016 #30
I am glad he clarified. TDale313 Feb 2016 #27
And has he now said he had a relationship with the Clintons that lasted until today? Generic Other Feb 2016 #31
John Lewis is a hero and a man of grace. myrna minx Feb 2016 #34

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
3. I didn't need a bit of proof
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:36 PM
Feb 2016

...but, to be fair, the comments, as they stood, were a pretty callous assessment of Sanders' role in the movement.

That said, it's clear now that Lewis was just relating his own knowledge of Bernie Sanders (not much, it appears) and his longtime relationship with the Clintons.

I've actually been refreshing my John Lewis google page almost every hour since he made the statement, looking for the clarification.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
5. as they stood
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

...they looked super snarky and mean.

I've never known John Lewis to be mean to ANYONE, not even toward his attackers in Selma.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. When I heard his original comment it was pretty clear the context was missing.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

I hope some of the rabid Sanders' supporters will see it in their hearts to pull him out from under the bus.
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
12. It was clear that it was out of context
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

And I hope all sides will stop using minorities as a stick to beat the other candidate opponents. On ALL sides.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Of course he did the right thing, he's a man of integrity.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

I would like to share a link to a profound photograph of John Lewis and others praying during a demonstration, taken by Danny Lyon who also took the Bernie photos so much in the news.....
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/00651155/

That photo and others....
http://www.mocp.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=maker&s=Lyon%2C+Danny&record=81

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
8. I am glad he did this.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

The implications in his original statement were that if you didn't meet Lewis, your effort did not matter. This country is very large and there were thousands (millions?) who stood up against injustice all over the country without meeting Lewis. It is good that he clarified the statement to acknowledge this.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
9. That was your implication
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

I took his statement to mean he had never met Sanders in relation to the civil rights movement and he had met the Clinton's in that context. What you thought he meant is on you.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
15. even that wasn't clear
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

...having met the Clintons, as he said (and Bill corroborated in a speech in 2000 at tribute for Lewis) while Bill and Hillary were pursuing political ambitions, not civil rights concerns, as Lewis was engaged in at the time.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. I didn't know what to think
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

...but the man that I believe I know did the right thing. That's a character trait of his which has never required any prompting.

I think he saw how his comments were being portrayed and made this effort to set it right.

I'm always suspect of commentary which suggests John Lewis is anything less than an outstanding American and individual.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
17. I've always admired him, but have been dismayed by his comments of late..
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

in support of Hillary. This goes back to his criticism of #blm when he said of protestors at a Hillary event "I think they represent another time, another period."

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
16. It shouldn't stain his career.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

I am a Bernie Supporter and will caucus for him on March 26th and try to bring as many people with me.

However, his reasons for supporting Hillary isn't because he is a Wall Street Corporate Big Wig. He doesn't make money off defense contracts, he isn't sitting on the board of Monsanto and he isn't a tool for Citizen United. He is a man who has served his country and his people in a hostile environment. He has made a choice. It doesn't jive with me, but I never wished him harm either physically (because he has been beaten for his political views) or figuratively.

This over reaction on this mirrors some of the over reaction on the other side about other issues. Stop.

Bernie wins people over when they think about incremental change vs get it done now. We have all had the drip, drip of trickle down economics, racial equality, gender equality, climate change and food safety. It is killing us. That should be the focus. Not everyone is going to see it that way. But a lot more will when they don't feel the atmosphere is hostile.

Sorry it had to be you to reply and say this to, but your post crossed a line for me.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
18. no he didn't
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

...it's clear his statement was taken out of the context he intended. He takes responsibility for that here and there shouldn't be an issue with this.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
23. It's sad that you're seriously claiming he stained his career
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis has done more than almost anybody for civil rights. This entire thing is just another in a long line of whining coming from Sanders supporters here where anybody who doesn't fawn over Sanders is evil no matter who they are. It comes from the same place all of the conspiracy theories about how they won't let Sanders win come from.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
33. Has has has. That's the past
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

In the present, he sold out to support the establishment candidate that will hurt black people.

Threw away his legacy IMO

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
13. So he is saying he lied in the book Conversations: William Jefferson Clinton from Hope to Harlem
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

now he says this:

”If you take a look at a transcript of my statement, you will find I did not say that I met Hillary and Bill Clinton when I was chairman of SNCC in the 1960s. My point was that when I was doing the work of civil rights, led the Voter Education Project and organized voter registration in the South in the 1970s, I did cross paths with Hillary and Bill Clinton in the field. They were working in politics, and Bill Clinton became attorney general of Arkansas in the 1970s as well. That began a relationship with them that has lasted until today,” Lewis said in the statement.


Then he said this:

“The first time I heard of Bill Clinton was in the early 70s. I was living in Georgia, working for the Southern Poverty Law organization, when someone told me about this young, emerging leader in Arkansas who served as attorney general, then later became governor.”

I think I paid more attention to him at the 1988 Democratic Convention, when he was asked to introduce the presidential candidate and took up far more time than was allotted to him. After he became involved with the Democratic Leadership Council, I would run into him from time to time. But it was one of his aides, Rodney Slater, who actually introduced us in 1991 and asked me if I would support his presidency.”


Glad you clarified Rep. Lewis. Knew you were a standup guy. But you might want to still rethink the Clinton "meeting" stuff.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
19. Bill Clinton recalls the first meeting which is consistent with Lewis' statements
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

...making an issue out of his book (as if that means anything significant to anyone) is a ridiculous pursuit.

Bill Clinton Remarks at a Dinner for Representative John Lewis in Atlanta - April 14, 2000

"You know, John was up here talking about being 60 years old, and I was thinking about the first time I met him, when I was just a young man back in the seventies, held no office, wanted to get elected to something in my State, and was interested in helping a fellow from Georgia named Carter get elected President. And I remember John talking to me about all these stories we saw in the movie. Twenty-five years ago, my eyes were big. I thought, one of the reasons I liked politics and one of the reasons I'm a Democrat is I can sit here, a 29-year-old kid, and talk to John Lewis about his life. If anybody had ever told me 25 years later I'd be back here talking about a distinguished 60-year-old Congressman, and I'd be President, I'd have thought they were nuts. But I'm honored to be here."


http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380


...on this point, there is at least one statement from Lewis which matches with Clinton's clear and somewhat detailed account.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
20. A quote from Rep Lewis in a book about meeting Bill Clinton is ridiculous?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

I call it a discrepancy. But maybe Clinton remembers it because he admired Lewis. But Lewis doesn't remember it because Bill was so unimpressive at that age. Who knows? If Lewis was misquoted in Bill's book he should have asked Bill to revise it. Since it was in the section "conversations with Black Americans" one would think it was vetted properly. It was pretty detailed. nd it wasn't a rememberance or something paraphrased. It was a long quote from Rep. John Lewis. But then Hillary wasn't running then so I guess that explains it.

Let's talk about something that's not ridiculous - like that's not Bernie in the photo!

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
21. nonsense
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

The overlap while Bill was AG and Lewis was still at VEP was about 3 months.

I assume that's what he was implying, that in the first three months of 1977 - while they were both trying to enter politics - they met...

And we were supposed to get that, and his deep admiration for Bernie, from his statement..

Clear as mud.


mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
24. Toss out the smackdown during the height of the weekday news cycle.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Then walk it back a bit on a Saturday morning.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
28. not a shot at 'truth tellers' clarifying his civil rights experiences
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

...I'm talking about the viscous, unrestrained, ad hominem attacks on Lewis.

Most people here know the difference.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
29. That's called exaggeration.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

I haven't seen ANY "viscous," unrestrained, ad hominem attacks on Lewis.

Go to IGNORE.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
31. And has he now said he had a relationship with the Clintons that lasted until today?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

Does he mean it ended today? Funny how ambiguity ties our tongues in knots.

We may or may not always say what we mean.

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