As far as I know...

not excite me.

hugs him to her bosom.

Sure you are.

I'll refrain from saying more.

long time, what confuses you is you have seen me post positive things about Hillary and negative things about Bernie supporters.

I do that because I understand the issues better than some and because I have seen a lot of garbage coming from certain folks, an example would be you here questioning my honesty.

Yes, not only a Bernie supporter but I have friends who had not heard of him who are now voting for him AND donating to his campaign.

You should be ashamed of yourself but you wont be.

I understand the Ignore function of this site. Welcome to it.

However, it's not up to me to tell you to be ashamed of yourself. Just do the homework for yourself to understand what level of support each candidate receives from their volunteers AND WHY.

I'm too busy to draw you up a personalized lesson plan on who is supporting Bernie Sanders and the associated attributes. Hopefully, you understand this in time.

Good luck in your quest to know who supports Bernie. Maybe then you will not make it a point to go after his supporters without knowing them.

It isn't counterproductive either. Unless that is measured exclusively by your goalposts.

Jesus, the damage you people are doing, it is amazing and you wont stop, you wont admit it when you are wrong.

fellow liberals, I lose it sometimes.

But everything you post follows a script that is As Old As The Hills.

Her dirty campaign tactics are a different - and disqualifying - story.

This is tit for tat thing. One camp lobs a grenade, then the other camp retailiates. Then people dig their heels in.

It seems like one camp is playing increasingly dirty politics.
Members of the media with ties to that camp are showing a bias. We had less than transparent caucus results in Iowa and then the losing candidate in New Hampshire receiving the pledges of a disproportionate share of its superdelegates.

You can't expect to play dirty and go for the jugular and then have the other side take it and get onboard at some future point.

political immaturity - think again

mature, big picture if you wont vote for her in the GE.

Don't even get me started on her neoconservativsm

is a bad idea.

Do any of you get it yet?

She not an honest person.

Dear god, I really am worried.

I will do well regardless of who's in power, so I've decided to ride with the candidate who isn't a whole subsidiary of Goldman Sachs. I'm sorry about jumping all over you.

We can welcome Kissinger back into the White House.

Does this make you happy?

sounds like "Agree with me or you're not very well developed"

Good luck with that tactic.

I have no intention of staying home, but as of right now, I have no intention of EVER supporting Hillary, who I believe to be dishonest and corrupted.

She can change that perception, but I don't see that move coming from her campaign or her allies, just more bullshit.

You're talk of maturity, but is it mature to never learn from your past mistakes?

Hillary doesn't seem to have learned, but I have.

it's not political immaturity - it's that we've been paying attention for so long that we remember when republicans were exactly like her. Nelson Rockerfeller for example - moderate with ties to big banking.

Hillary's enthusiasm deficit is her own doing because she doesn't have a clear and compelling message. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. I disagree with her on several issues, but of great importance is insuring that social security is solvent when I am ready to retire. My age group (45-55) pays more federal taxes than any other - I've been paying into SS my whole life. Yet SS may not be there for me. Hillary has not committed to raising the SS cap so that benefits will NOT be cut for those of us who will need it in the future. I have a real problem with that, as should every American.

Aside from the issues, waging a negative campaign and resorting to dirty campaign tricks meant to damage the integrity of her opponent just leaves a bad taste in our mouths. She did it to Obama and she's doing it to Sanders. You can't expect people to fall in line and 'get excited' if she's the nominee. I think the lesser of two evils reason for voting is wearing thin with a lot of us, and definitely won't work with young voters.

you are right.

Maybe stop saying that and then IF you need her, she then is viable.

This is about winning, beating the GOP who wish to do harm to the human race, do you not agree?

If it comes down to it I will vote for her, then promptly throw up. What I won't be able to do is get excited, phone bank, talk to others about how great she'll be. I can't fake how I feel.

black and white, but kind of the same thing, right?

But you see it is that simple for me.

For me , knowing what I know about the other side and what a SC full of Scalia's would do to this country, just one example, is enough to make it very simply or very black and white.

It did in 2008

Yup. Mark my words

I won't vote for someone I wouldn't willingly give my life for. I don't believe she understands what sending people to die for country really means, given her foreign policy record. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be a war in defense of our Constitution. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be for defending our allies. And I certainly don't believe that if we go to war under her again, it won't result in either the end of the world, or the forwarding of the tired tripe about American Exceptionalism.

I raised my hand and swore an oath to protect the United States, and the Constitution. I do not believe she stands for either, and as such, I can't vote for her.

I really believe Bernie is going to be the candidate and you wont have this problem, I think he is about to blow away the establishment and the media the same as Trump, but Trump is garbage, etc.

But your attitude will be harmful if he isnt the nominee, that is just a fact.

I'm unfortunately used to being harmful-- but my vote, at least from where I stand, means a lot more to me than the country; it means the livelihoods of my brothers and sisters in arms.

On foreign policy identical.
On economic policy nearly identical...Goldman/Sachs CEO happy with either. Hillary says $12/hr ( if she means it), Jeb says no. Agree on trade agreements, agree on fracking.
On social issues, mixed. They differ on abortion. Since 2013 they differ on SSM. Agree on marijuana. Agree on private prisons. Agree on education. Overall more agreement than disagreement.

In short, although Jeb Bush is unquestionably more conservative than Hillary Clinton, there's not a vast gulf between them. She's just to the left. If Bush is a strong conservative, she's a moderate conservative. What they label themselves is just window-dressing...after all, the Democratic Republic of Korea is neither democratic or a republic, it's a communist dictatorship.

The fear card has been played so many times it's becoming ragged and dog-eared. Sanders is every bit as good on woman's issues as Clinton. A successful coalition means supporting each other's issues. You can't demand support of abortion rights issue while also denying economic rights issue. Continuing to do so will cause the coalition to collapse. You lose abortion, we haven't lost economic rights because we don't have them anyway under your rules.

...if not better. If you want a coalition, both partners have to be satisfied. If you want support of your issues, you can't expect us to give up ours. That's not a coalition that will continue to survive.

approach if you dont get your way.

I personally will vote for whoever wins the nomination.

However, no politician should take that for granted. And I object to your OP that implies that votes should be taken for granted, because 'lesser of two evils' or 'd' after the name or whatever.

...aiming to eliminate a transparant democratic process in order to have a candidate appointed for us by the elites. Fuck that shit.

If Hillary wins the primary, we lose the general. REAL simple.

Political wonks may do the nose holding lesser of two evil hootenanny but a lot won't.

Nothing to show for it but broken promises of incremental change.

I appreciate the slow societal bones that have been thrown our way but they never seem to do anything that costs TPTB. I am to the point now where I am 99.9% sure it's Kabuki theatre - and then came Sanders.

I'm taking your negative energy and placing it into a tiny bottle ... Fellow Bernie supporter ...