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Holy Shit! It's so much worse than I thought (Original Post) Lorien Feb 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
Utterly disgraceful. Gregorian Feb 2016 #2
Me either. I'm ashamed that I once supported them Lorien Feb 2016 #19
Article below UglyGreed Feb 2016 #3
By 1996, the penal budget was twice the amount that had been allocated to food stamps. ebayfool Feb 2016 #8
Yep it has caused great UglyGreed Feb 2016 #13
As Kittycat says below, you should make this it's own OP! ebayfool Feb 2016 #29
"making the construction of prisons the nation’s main housing program for the urban poor.” snagglepuss Feb 2016 #22
This should be its own OP Kittycat Feb 2016 #26
I agree; it should be it's own OP. Maybe add Lorien Feb 2016 #36
Thanks! I had to get out the door when I posted the OP Lorien Feb 2016 #18
N/P UglyGreed Feb 2016 #20
Can you please help me with this... pangaia Feb 2016 #30
IMO It's a very vague speech UglyGreed Feb 2016 #32
I think my impression is exactly the same as yours. pangaia Feb 2016 #35
IMO it's against UglyGreed Feb 2016 #39
K&R for the truth. How anyone can support this is beyond me. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #4
K&R - With friends like these....nt sorechasm Feb 2016 #5
Geez, Hillary's campaigning is destroying Bill's legacy. earthshine Feb 2016 #6
. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #7
The Clintons do not... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #9
If only people knew the damage the Clintons have done... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #17
Michael Moore had a whole page Downwinder Feb 2016 #21
There's a special place in hell... Donkees Feb 2016 #10
Disgusting Generic Other Feb 2016 #11
Wow - the comments there. 840high Feb 2016 #12
yes, the comments are blistering. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #16
Holee shit is right madokie Feb 2016 #14
knr amborin Feb 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Awknid Feb 2016 #23
K & R Awknid Feb 2016 #24
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #25
she says one thing for one audience--superpredators--and another for another--"I didn't mean it" MisterP Feb 2016 #27
I guess she will say that she misspoke? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #28
I'm surprised Hillary didn't try to "BRING TO HEEL" BLM. grasswire Feb 2016 #31
"Bring them to heel" --Is that a dog whistle? Bonobo Feb 2016 #33
damn straight grasswire Feb 2016 #38
The part about the profoundly mentally handicapped man asking if he could save his dessert Lorien Feb 2016 #34
Starting to sound out the depths Fairgo Feb 2016 #37

Response to Lorien (Original post)

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
19. Me either. I'm ashamed that I once supported them
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

I had no idea that they had caused this much harm.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
8. By 1996, the penal budget was twice the amount that had been allocated to food stamps.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016

snip -

Despite claims that radical changes in crime and welfare policy were driven by a desire to end big government and save taxpayer dollars, the reality is that the Clinton administration didn’t reduce the amount of money devoted to the management of the urban poor; it changed what the funds would be used for. Billions of dollars were slashed from public-housing and child-welfare budgets and transferred to the mass-incarceration machine. By 1996, the penal budget was twice the amount that had been allocated to food stamps. During Clinton’s tenure, funding for public housing was slashed by $17 billion (a reduction of 61 percent), while funding for corrections was boosted by $19 billion (an increase of 171 percent), according to sociologist Loïc Wacquant “effectively making the construction of prisons the nation’s main housing program for the urban poor.”


Lays it right out there, don't it!?

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
29. As Kittycat says below, you should make this it's own OP!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

I couldn't get the video in this OP to play & others could have the same problem.
And there's something to be said for seeing it laid out on the page that sinks it in.

So much destruction.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
18. Thanks! I had to get out the door when I posted the OP
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

I think there was another link as well. I'll look for it when I have more time.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. Can you please help me with this...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016

I watched a couple of the Youtube videos of Hillary's speech in 1996..

Is it true that when Hillary said, “They are not just gangs of kids anymore. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ and that we must 'bring them to heel," that she was referring only to black kids? I know..inner city reference....

She did not 'say' she was referring to black kids. If I am being naive, just tell me.

And I ask because, I REALLY, REALLY want to be sure if that is what she meant.

Thanks.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
32. IMO It's a very vague speech
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

I would say she meant this to be blanket statement covering all kinds of kids. IMO it is not proper to say this about anyone, child or adult. Bring them to heel is outrageous in my eyes. It has continued through the years with "we came we saw he died" those types of statements are just....I don't know.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. I think my impression is exactly the same as yours.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

It's an ugly thing to say to anyone.
I just might hope that 'our side' doesn't turn this into being something ONLY against "black kids." I don't mean Bernie, Of course he won't but.... you know.

I do appreciate you taking the time.

Thank you,

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
39. IMO it's against
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

all people who are not wealthy. Some are affected more than others but we are ALL hurt by having no representation.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
6. Geez, Hillary's campaigning is destroying Bill's legacy.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

So be it! Let the sunlight shine on the disease known as "third-way democrats."

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
9. The Clintons do not...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:45 PM
Feb 2016

...deserve a "firewall of support" from anyone except the 1 Percenters. Their policies have screwed over many millions of people, including a large number of minorities.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. Holee shit is right
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

the more I see Cenk the more I like this man. He's a smart dude doing for us a great job of getting the message out.

Response to amborin (Reply #15)

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
27. she says one thing for one audience--superpredators--and another for another--"I didn't mean it"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

back in '94 or whatever there was no YouTube, no social media, so she could blame X for all the country's ills and then turn around and stay "the X candidate": she even thinks she can get away with "Sanders hates X"--because, hey, none of her diehards think otherwise, and she only allows diehards around her

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
31. I'm surprised Hillary didn't try to "BRING TO HEEL" BLM.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

Or maybe she did when she told them she was only going to talk to white people if they didn't please her.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
33. "Bring them to heel" --Is that a dog whistle?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

Talking about black kids as "super predators" and then using a phrase associated with how beasts of burden should be treated. Ouch, Hillary.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
34. The part about the profoundly mentally handicapped man asking if he could save his dessert
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

from his last meal made me choke up. The death penalty is all kinds of wrong, imo, but making a special trip to kill someone who doesn't even understand the concept of his own execution? That's just sick!!

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
37. Starting to sound out the depths
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

of hard hearted, self-promotion masquerading as political evolution.

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