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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:28 PM Feb 2016

Hillary says the Republicans won't allow us to make major changes, but at the same time saying she's

the only one who can fight the Republicans. She says that republicans are her number one enemy, but she can cut deals with them. WTF? This is obfuscation at its worst.

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Hillary says the Republicans won't allow us to make major changes, but at the same time saying she's (Original Post) JRLeft Feb 2016 OP
Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2016 #1
And she wonders why people don't trust her. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #2
She's all over the place. She's confusing people intentionally. JRLeft Feb 2016 #3
well, it is windy outside Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #5
Maybe the tumbleweeds are her changing ideas. JRLeft Feb 2016 #8
Sanders will win this. earthshine Feb 2016 #4
I eschew obfuscation. SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #6
I do too. JRLeft Feb 2016 #9
She's certainly the candidate best prepared for change HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #7
That Berns SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #10
She's Mystique from X-Men. JRLeft Feb 2016 #11
And she seems sure Congress will be Republican. Cleita Feb 2016 #12
Shifting to the left is window dressing. JRLeft Feb 2016 #13
She may have to when under pressure. Cleita Feb 2016 #14
I think your wrong she owes oligarchs big time. JRLeft Feb 2016 #15
I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think her legacy as the first woman President will make her Cleita Feb 2016 #17
Maybe you're right or just hoping. JRLeft Feb 2016 #18
The future is yet to be determined so all we can do is speculate. eom Cleita Feb 2016 #20
True JRLeft Feb 2016 #21
It is possible that Dems take the Senate. wildeyed Feb 2016 #26
Maybe it's because the GOP loves her so much. She's also building on Obama's ACA which the GOP loves EndElectoral Feb 2016 #16
It's funny the ACA was initially Nixon care before it became Romney care, then Obama care. JRLeft Feb 2016 #19
She can use the ACA to pay back her financers. JRLeft Feb 2016 #22
The Hillarians are masters at doublethink. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #23
If it doesn't make sense role with that. JRLeft Feb 2016 #24
Not really. wildeyed Feb 2016 #25
 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
4. Sanders will win this.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

And the down-ticket will ride his coattails.

In time, Congress will be ours as well.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. She's certainly the candidate best prepared for change
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

Flip here, Flop there, an evolutionary roll out along the way...

Call them what you will, she believes in and regularly practices change.

Indeed she's the most changeable democratic candidate for the nomination

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. And she seems sure Congress will be Republican.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

A third of the Senate will be up for re-election. Of those Senators not up for re-election, 34 are Democrats, 2 Independents that caucus with the Democrats and 30 are Republicans. So there is a good chance of a super majority of Democrats being elected considering there will be a much bigger turnout this time including Millenials voting for the first time who trend to the left.

In the House all the representatives are up for election and due to greater voter turnout, it too could gain a Democratic majority. So I feel good that Bernie will have a Congress he can work with. I'm not so confident that Hillary and her neo-con policies will be that welcome but she may have to shift to the left if there is nowhere else to go.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. She may have to when under pressure.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

For instance, let's say she presents a budget to Congress that takes care of her Wall Street and MIC buddies. Congress says, no we don't like it. This is what we want. So what happens? She has to compromise if she doesn't want to shut down government and I don't think she wants that on her legacy. I may be wrong but I doubt if she will do it.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
17. I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think her legacy as the first woman President will make her
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

loathe to do something that will besmirch her legacy. George W. Bush, another who owed oligarchy, didn't really give a fuck as long as he didn't go to prison or the Hague for war crimes and it seems so far the oligarchy has protected him from justice.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
26. It is possible that Dems take the Senate.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

Because of the 2010 redistricting and gerrymandering, it is highly unlikely that the House flips. IMO, that has more to do with who the GOP runs than anything. And Clinton has a better shot at flipping the House than Sanders anyway, because, she has never run as part of a political party with 'socialist' in the name.

Greater voter turnout and millennials won't mean a flip in the red districts. Those voters might stay home if Trump or Cruz run, but not if it means a socialist becomes president.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
25. Not really.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:01 PM
Feb 2016

It is just how politics works.

To jam your policies through, you need to understand which levers to pull, what your enemy really wants and where they are weak. Your friends, too, when it comes down to it.

So yeah, the GOP will not allow major changes because they control too much of the board, but a savvy player can grind them down, push them where they are weak and come up with more wins than someone who does not know how to cut a deal with the enemy and still keep their caucus in line.

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