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Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:51 PM Feb 2016

"Hillary is corrupt" ... How do you know? . "The fact that she has backers on Wall Street is proof!"

"Wall Street corrupts politicians, so if they're behind her, she's been corrupted!"

Bernie has Wall Street backers. Does that make him corrupt?

"Of course not! He's an honest man so it doesn't matter who his backers are - stop with the 'Guilt by Association!'"

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"Hillary is corrupt" ... How do you know? . "The fact that she has backers on Wall Street is proof!" (Original Post) Empowerer Feb 2016 OP
Let's see everyone's transcripts n/t ejbr Feb 2016 #1
I'm OK with that. I doubt Bernie is hiding anything but let's get it out there either way. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #6
I am not OK with that. It's the same tactic the right used over Whitewater. Buzz cook Feb 2016 #33
Ahhh - sanity. Thank you! Empowerer Feb 2016 #39
False equivalency 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #2
I am saying that there are people with consience and awareness Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #3
Not only that. Look into the favors she gave to those who "donated" 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #8
Another arms deals and more bailouts? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #14
Lloyd Blankfein has a conscious? JRLeft Feb 2016 #12
There is something disturbing with that smirk... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #15
Does Bernie receive substantial sums of money from special interests? I'll wait... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #4
The far left (fringe) are so far left that they are now far right (fringe), and just as dangerous. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #5
There is no far left on this board. n/t demmiblue Feb 2016 #9
Conservatives can be recognized by the casual way in which they characterize those with whom Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #11
What you claim is "fringe" in America... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #16
How do I know? 99Forever Feb 2016 #7
Are you talking to yourself just to have someone to argue with? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #10
"I'm not about to serve as a brick in a firewall for someone who's never been a rock for me." 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #18
+1 quotable! Kittycat Feb 2016 #26
Yes. closeupready Feb 2016 #38
Like all the investment bankers and war mongers she hangs with are just misunderstood altruists. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #13
I'm sure they're investing lavishly in her campaign without any expectations of a return. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #17
False Equivalency EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #19
Wrong, Sanders set up this purity test and when its applied to him the goal post get moved uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20
Hillary personally profited more from two speeches to Goldman Sachs than Bernie's entire net worth EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #21
See, right there... now it's the amount that was taken not that ANY was taken at all.... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22
Tell the straw man I said hi. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #23
Exactly Empowerer Feb 2016 #27
Yeap, the most recent is Sanders only took a little... lol... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #35
No one likes to think they're manipulated by the VRWC ucrdem Feb 2016 #24
McKinley gave us Teddy Roosevelt... N/t tokenlib Feb 2016 #25
And Sanders will give us Ted Cruz if Rove manages to take out Hillary. ucrdem Feb 2016 #28
The usual Third Way threats are not going to work.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #30
Let's just say that if Sanders makes it out of the primaries ucrdem Feb 2016 #31
More strawman arguments from you? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #29
Hillary gives contracts to Clinton foundation donors while Secretary of state. Doctor_J Feb 2016 #32
Who are Bernie's wall street backers? madokie Feb 2016 #34
Again, deal with the ISSUES! She has crap judgement BECAUSE OF: Lorien Feb 2016 #36
In a democracy, nobody needs proof to have an opinion, or to express it. closeupready Feb 2016 #37

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
33. I am not OK with that. It's the same tactic the right used over Whitewater.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

"If you're innocent then appoint a special prosecutor" "release the Rose law firm papers because it looks like corruption"

For those that remember the 90s many of the demands by Bernie supporters are strongly reminiscent of things done by the right. Guilt by association, accusations equal guilt, and scandal caused by accusation being blamed on the accused.

Here's how the speech transcript narrative plays out; Clinton doesn't release the transcripts "guilty", Clinton releases the transcripts in part "guilty", Clinton releases the transcripts in whole and nothing adverse is found (quote mining followed by) "guilty". Clinton releases the transcripts and there are parts that don't fit with political purity "guilty".

How many here remember the fall out from the Rose law firm papers non-scandal? Hillary was cleared of wrong doing. The reaction in the media? "Guilty".

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
2. False equivalency
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

As you well know. Bernie is not pocketing what amounts to millions over the years. Such s game you play. It's like some are taking Hllary lessons in how to mislead.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
3. I am saying that there are people with consience and awareness
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

...Even on Wall Street...

The difference is that Bernie has never been pandering to Wall Street or taken huge sums of money for behind closed door speeches..

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
8. Not only that. Look into the favors she gave to those who "donated"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

to her foundation. What would she sell as POTUS?

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
5. The far left (fringe) are so far left that they are now far right (fringe), and just as dangerous.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

They hyperventilate over every "i" that's not dotted or "t" that's not crossed.

Throwing Lewis under the bus is proof enough that they are people who cannot be taken seriously.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. Conservatives can be recognized by the casual way in which they characterize those with whom
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

they disagree and the fact that such smears comprise the entire message that they carry.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
16. What you claim is "fringe" in America...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

is centrist in Europe...

Nobody threw Lewis under the bus. Lewis was misused by conservadems in a thinly veiled smear campagin emenating from a campaign that used the same kinds of tactics against Obama in 2008 as now...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. Are you talking to yourself just to have someone to argue with?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary opposed my rights for 20 years, how do I know? She kept saying so in long windy tirades about her faith in a God that agrees with her on all things.

It's almost like she never thought she might need LGBT voters to show up for her. Or like she assumed that we all would line up like lemmings. No one wants to be a lemming, now do they? I'm not about to serve as a brick in a firewall for someone who has never been a rock for me.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
19. False Equivalency
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

Funny how Hillary and her supporters use so many of the same kind of attacks as the far right.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
21. Hillary personally profited more from two speeches to Goldman Sachs than Bernie's entire net worth
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

Please, explain to me how there's any equivalency. The goal posts haven't moved, there's just nothing there.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
22. See, right there... now it's the amount that was taken not that ANY was taken at all....
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

... Sanders set up a purity test he can't pass himself and neither can 99% of everyone else in the DNC.

He's been lobbying for these wall street dollars himself and chides everyone else for having taken them...

Gone are the days were people can't look at others backgrounds and be able to tell they're full of it

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
27. Exactly
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

She was corrupt BECAUSE shevtook the money. Now that we see that Bernie took their money, too, the story has changed to she's corrupt because she took the money and LIKED it while Bernie is still pure because he held his nose when HE took their money ...

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
24. No one likes to think they're manipulated by the VRWC
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

much less by Karl Rove, but the fact is that Rove is no stranger to populist politics and in fact wrote the book on targeting populist messages to different groups to convince them that Candidate X cares about them:



I heard an interview with Rove last year that described the McKinley campaign in what sounded like a blueprint for the Sanders campaign: use technology to reach out to new and traditional allies (Rove's digital targeting operation) with tailored messages geared to leaving an impression that the candidate cares about them:

Knowing his party could only win if it grew beyond its base, he reached out to diverse ethnic groups, including openly seeking the endorsement of Catholic leaders and advocating for black voting rights. Running on the slogan “The People Against the Bosses,” McKinley also took on the machine men who dominated his own party. He deployed campaign tactics still used today, including targeting voters with the best available technology. Above all, he offered bold, controversial answers to the nation’s most pressing challenge—how to make a new, more global economy work for every American—and although this split his own party, he won the White House by sticking to his principles, defeating a charismatic champion of economic populism, William Jennings Bryan.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Triumph-William-McKinley-Election/dp/1476752958


So how many remember the transformative presidency of William McKinley now?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
28. And Sanders will give us Ted Cruz if Rove manages to take out Hillary.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

He isn't doing this to elect Sanders.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
31. Let's just say that if Sanders makes it out of the primaries
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

it's going to give #feelthebern a whole new meaning.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. More strawman arguments from you?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

When has anyone said that the only reason she's corrupt is because of Wall Street backers?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
32. Hillary gives contracts to Clinton foundation donors while Secretary of state.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton flip flops on every issue. Clinton supports TPP forty times until the campaign starts.

You really can't see the difference?

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
36. Again, deal with the ISSUES! She has crap judgement BECAUSE OF:
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Took millions from arms dealers, then awarded them huge contracts


Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:


Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:
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Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.ht

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie's extensive foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Need more details? http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy-and-national-security/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy/
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