2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Hillary is corrupt" ... How do you know? . "The fact that she has backers on Wall Street is proof!"
"Wall Street corrupts politicians, so if they're behind her, she's been corrupted!"
Bernie has Wall Street backers. Does that make him corrupt?
"Of course not! He's an honest man so it doesn't matter who his backers are - stop with the 'Guilt by Association!'"
ejbr
(5,856 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)"If you're innocent then appoint a special prosecutor" "release the Rose law firm papers because it looks like corruption"
For those that remember the 90s many of the demands by Bernie supporters are strongly reminiscent of things done by the right. Guilt by association, accusations equal guilt, and scandal caused by accusation being blamed on the accused.
Here's how the speech transcript narrative plays out; Clinton doesn't release the transcripts "guilty", Clinton releases the transcripts in part "guilty", Clinton releases the transcripts in whole and nothing adverse is found (quote mining followed by) "guilty". Clinton releases the transcripts and there are parts that don't fit with political purity "guilty".
How many here remember the fall out from the Rose law firm papers non-scandal? Hillary was cleared of wrong doing. The reaction in the media? "Guilty".
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)As you well know. Bernie is not pocketing what amounts to millions over the years. Such s game you play. It's like some are taking Hllary lessons in how to mislead.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)...Even on Wall Street...
The difference is that Bernie has never been pandering to Wall Street or taken huge sums of money for behind closed door speeches..
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)to her foundation. What would she sell as POTUS?
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Can't quite put my finger on it...
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)They hyperventilate over every "i" that's not dotted or "t" that's not crossed.
Throwing Lewis under the bus is proof enough that they are people who cannot be taken seriously.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)they disagree and the fact that such smears comprise the entire message that they carry.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)is centrist in Europe...
Nobody threw Lewis under the bus. Lewis was misused by conservadems in a thinly veiled smear campagin emenating from a campaign that used the same kinds of tactics against Obama in 2008 as now...
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Follow the money. Easy fucking peasy.
No need to think me.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Hillary opposed my rights for 20 years, how do I know? She kept saying so in long windy tirades about her faith in a God that agrees with her on all things.
It's almost like she never thought she might need LGBT voters to show up for her. Or like she assumed that we all would line up like lemmings. No one wants to be a lemming, now do they? I'm not about to serve as a brick in a firewall for someone who has never been a rock for me.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Thank you.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Funny how Hillary and her supporters use so many of the same kind of attacks as the far right.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Please, explain to me how there's any equivalency. The goal posts haven't moved, there's just nothing there.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... Sanders set up a purity test he can't pass himself and neither can 99% of everyone else in the DNC.
He's been lobbying for these wall street dollars himself and chides everyone else for having taken them...
Gone are the days were people can't look at others backgrounds and be able to tell they're full of it
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)She was corrupt BECAUSE shevtook the money. Now that we see that Bernie took their money, too, the story has changed to she's corrupt because she took the money and LIKED it while Bernie is still pure because he held his nose when HE took their money ...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)much less by Karl Rove, but the fact is that Rove is no stranger to populist politics and in fact wrote the book on targeting populist messages to different groups to convince them that Candidate X cares about them:
I heard an interview with Rove last year that described the McKinley campaign in what sounded like a blueprint for the Sanders campaign: use technology to reach out to new and traditional allies (Rove's digital targeting operation) with tailored messages geared to leaving an impression that the candidate cares about them:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Triumph-William-McKinley-Election/dp/1476752958
So how many remember the transformative presidency of William McKinley now?
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He isn't doing this to elect Sanders.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)We've had it with the " New Democrat" crap.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)it's going to give #feelthebern a whole new meaning.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When has anyone said that the only reason she's corrupt is because of Wall Street backers?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Clinton flip flops on every issue. Clinton supports TPP forty times until the campaign starts.
You really can't see the difference?
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'd about bet money thats bullshit!
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Took millions from arms dealers, then awarded them huge contracts
Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484
Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/
What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/
How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:
Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies
Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004: &feature=youtu.be
Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html
Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/
When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o
Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right
Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/
The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton
Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/
A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu
Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/
Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.ht
Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress
Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/
Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619
Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html
Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html
Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J
Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/
Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html
Bernie's extensive foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619
Need more details? http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy-and-national-security/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy/