2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt is my firm belief that if Hillary does win, the first thing the republicans are going to do
is start impeachment proceedings.
You all understand don't you that Democrats are not supposed to ever ever have the presidency? That's been true since Truman.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)They hate Hillary, big time.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Now that said they'll attack whoever the nominee and, if the Dem wins, President, with everything they've got. But it does feel sometimes like the Clintons go out of their way to give them ammunition that could be avoided.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)It's also what they'll do if the convention ends up deadlocked and Martin O'Malley emerges as the compromise nominee.
Precisely which High Crimes and Misdemeanors will they use as Cause for Action against President Sanders?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)You think there isn't a "Vermont Project" gearing up now, just as there was a "Arkansas Project" started in 1992 or a birther smear campaign started in 2008? Republicans will not play by the rules.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Just some bullshit speculation of an imaginary something.
As expected.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... in order to fulfill the Constitutional REQUIREMENTS to be Impeached.
"Their wrath" doesn't meet that hurdle, nor does the general term "history."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)interest, rather than just another way to disrupt democracy..... I won't go there with you.
Just because they have been saving their powder on Sanders, does not mean they do not have plans if there is an upset this primary season.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If you can. Your obfuscating is obvious and lame.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)What a winning combo.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Just answer the fucking question.
If you can.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)some delusional RW shit.
Good luck talking to voters with that mouth. You're new to this, I gather.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Perhaps some civics courses would fix your confusion with that reality.
I was likely involved in progressive politics when you were wearing diapers.
Now:
Answer the fucking question.
If you can.
Last chance.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)else's naked ambition. You are as "corrupt" as anyone, if you support RW witch hunts. Which seems to be your stance here.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You have fun spanking that strawman.
You clearly have no clue as to what my "stance" is on any gawddamn thing.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Just a reason in their own heads. Just any way whatsoever to stop Democrats from achieving anything.
As they say, you can sue a ham sandwich...it doesn't mean you have a case. Republicans can impeach over anything they want. Millions of dollars later, and months/years of stalled democracy and keeping "scandal" on the front pages, legal victory really doesn't matter. Only the perception in the eyes of voters. Benghazi is the perfect example. They know it is pure bullshit, but it plays well with their constituency, and it paints a certain picture in the publics' eye.
And they impeached Obama, when?
Atman
(31,464 posts)But they at least need a pretense. They had conducted eight hearings into Benghazi, and held 50 failed votes to repeal Obamacare. Executive orders weren't illegal. This was all arcane stuff that did not have public support, let alone any legal standing. But American's understand "lying" and "blowjobs." That was an easy one to sell.
Once again, their number one goal has not been to remove Obama from office, merely to obstruct everything he tries to do. They took a beating after impeaching Bill Clinton, and they were too fearful of repeating that scene again. But they really think they have something against Mrs. Clinton. They will be eager to try again. As for Bernie, I'm not so convinced, but I can see them raising "Socialist" as a reason to impeach, as if he's some enemy of the state. I wouldn't put anything past them.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)...and another for that "outsider" guy.
Got it.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Bettyellen has a good point. The didn't impeach Clinton for any impeachable offense. They impeached over a blow job.
The may now and then try to put on a fig leaf and claim it was about lying, but that is steer manure, House Speaker for a Day Robert Livingston tried to drive home the point that Mr. Clinton's sexual peccadilloes were reason enough to impeach the President by resigning from Congress himself immediately after the vote to impeach was taken in the House as reports were released concerning his own indiscreet behavior. BTW, I don't think Livingston should have resigned.
Now, given that, do you really think Republicans need a legitimate reason to impeach a Democratic president?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bill Clinton was Impeached for lying under oath. Read the Articles of Impeachment.
And no, not a "legitimate reason," but even the skeeeeeery skeeeeery Republicans need a LEGAL reason to impeach.
Good grief. There's huge lack of knowledge about the Constitution around here.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I know what the articles said, but I don't care. He was impeached over a blow job. If it was simply about lying, Speaker Livingston would not have seen fit to resign his seat in the House after serving as Speaker for one day. He was never asked under oath about his sexual indiscretions. The steer manure about lying was nothing more than a fig leaf.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)eyes would be open that the RW doesn't play by the rules- or ever have our best interests at heart. Bender will not be spared.
No one hear should be touting they had legit reasons to go after Clinton. Or kid themselves they will need them for a witch hunt against Sanders. They never needed them, the reasons are manufactured.
doc03
(35,348 posts)Maybe she lied about what she had for breakfast lets get a fucking investigation going on that. Besides that Obama will pardon her if they do find anything.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Didn't say I agreed with it, but it is what it is. Deny reality if you want, no skin off my teeth.
doc03
(35,348 posts)by a jury. But now if you support the Socialist candidate you just convict them first. You can bet if Bernie gets
elected there will be the same endless investigations of him and his administration, there always has been since Nixon.
Republicans think they own the White House.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm not sure what the rest of your post means in re: to the question I asked.
valerief
(53,235 posts)create a scandal--I'll bet it'll be a pedophile one--to feed the M$M.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Presidents govern in the real world, not someone's imagination.
valerief
(53,235 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...leveraging your appeal against Hillary on the republican campaign to defeat her.
At what point does that become complicit?
shraby
(21,946 posts)something to use against him. You think with the emails and the Benghazi thing they've been chewing to death that they won't use those?
If you don't you're dreaming.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Clinton's attempted impeachment hurt them worse than the govt shutdowns.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)All questioned her electability in 2007-2008 due to the high unfavorable ratings. Dodd even flat out said during a debate that 50% of the country won't vote for her.
This FBI investigation is a bigger deal than the Establishment of the party wants to admit. Bernie is guilty of helping sweep it under the rug when he said he was tired of hearing about her emails. Republicans won't play nice on that situation.
If they really wanted an Establishment candidate to rally behind, Biden was the better option. And it is possible he still becomes involved if her campaign implodes.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And dragging Vince Foster into it. Shameful shit, totally complicit.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)As for Bernie, they might try to stage a coup and install Kasich or some other hard right neo-con calling Bernie a Russian spy or some other such nonsense. I don't put anything like this past them. Getting Bernie elected is only he beginning until he consolidates his power sufficiently to boot all those corrupt lobbyists and insiders out of Washington permanently.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)They'll have to work harder to find grounds where she leaves herself open all the time, intentionally and unintentionally.
The idiot republicans hate her so much they jump on her every move.
bullimiami
(13,099 posts)dont vote for hillary because the republicans hate her so much they'll try to impeach her?
vote for a republican then. your president will be safe from them no matter what he does.
shraby
(21,946 posts)their names or their party's name..unless I do it accidentally.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But I am 100% sure, or pretty close, that we will lose the WH if Sanders is our nominee. I know you don't agree, so there is no point in arguing the issue.
My husband and I are pretty well off, and are making contingency plans for the real potential of a right wing take over of our government. This country will not be liveable if the worst happens.
jillan
(39,451 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)because your paradigm is that she will be impeached even though she hasn't commited an impeachable offence in office because she just took office.
Real smart thinking
shraby
(21,946 posts)up. That's their style.
Look at their harassment of Obama who is clean.
They said he didn't belong to a church..sonofagun..he did go to one in Chicago.
Then they ran him out of it because of the cranky pastor.
Then they accused him of being a Muslim.
Then they forgot Hawaii was a state when he was born and they said he wasn't born in the U.S.
Whoops Hawaii was a state so he was born in Kenya.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she will be impeached immediately and will spend her time and the country's defending herself, assuming no crime is unearthed which would remove her. it will comsume her first term, set the country back four years, and hand all branches of government to the republicans for the forseeable future.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)But that's dreaming, of course. It's dreaming until we collectively unite.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)As soon as she's sworn in, the Teapublicans will have the articles of impeachment ready.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Shrek
(3,981 posts)Unless you think they like him better for some reason.
DFW
(54,405 posts)Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed while in office. The only thing a new Democratic president will have committed "right away" will have been being inaugurated as President while being a Democrat. While that may constitute a high crime in Republican eyes, it's not on the books yet.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Congressional session opens right after New Years. President is not inaugurated until January 20.