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shraby

(21,946 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:51 PM Feb 2016

It is my firm belief that if Hillary does win, the first thing the republicans are going to do

is start impeachment proceedings.
You all understand don't you that Democrats are not supposed to ever ever have the presidency? That's been true since Truman.

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It is my firm belief that if Hillary does win, the first thing the republicans are going to do (Original Post) shraby Feb 2016 OP
Yes, I am aware of that. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #1
They've said as much. TDale313 Feb 2016 #2
Tru dat. Also it's what they'll do if Sanders is elected. Bucky Feb 2016 #3
Really? 99Forever Feb 2016 #8
Jeeze, you really think they can't concoct some baloney to stop his reforms? Bucky Feb 2016 #12
So you have no actual answer. 99Forever Feb 2016 #16
History has given us the answer. Bernie will not be spared their wrath. bettyellen Feb 2016 #17
Name PRECISELY the High Crimes and Misdemeanors President Sanders would be charged with... 99Forever Feb 2016 #22
If you want to pretend their attacks- like Benghazi, or Monicagate, have any basis in the national bettyellen Feb 2016 #24
Just answer the fucking question. 99Forever Feb 2016 #26
Wow, aren't you a peach! Naive about how Republicans operate, and angry to be called on it. bettyellen Feb 2016 #29
Naive my ass. 99Forever Feb 2016 #31
If you think Republicans need a valid reason to fuck over a Dem president, you have been buying into bettyellen Feb 2016 #32
Even those skeeeeery Republicans have to follow the Constitution. 99Forever Feb 2016 #34
"Involved in progressive politics" yet praying for RW bullshit to prevail. Transparent as anyone bettyellen Feb 2016 #35
Make shit up out of whole cloth much? 99Forever Feb 2016 #41
Totally with bettyellen on this one...Repubs don't need a valid reason. Atman Feb 2016 #51
Really? 99Forever Feb 2016 #53
I said they don't need a "valid reason." Atman Feb 2016 #55
Ahh I see... one set of standards for the establishment Democrats... 99Forever Feb 2016 #57
Since I just saved you from a hide, I'll add my two cents Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #36
No sir. 99Forever Feb 2016 #38
I used to argue with a RW moron over that Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #45
Thanks, Jack. There seems to be some delusions about RW tactics. You'd think after Benghazi their bettyellen Feb 2016 #44
Just what High Crimes and Misdemeaners is Hillary Clinton guilty of? What has she been charged with? doc03 Feb 2016 #37
There is an on-going investigation by the FBI currently under way. 99Forever Feb 2016 #39
I though we were presumed Innocent until found guilty doc03 Feb 2016 #43
It doesn't matter what I presume. 99Forever Feb 2016 #46
If police can plant drugs to arrest innocent people, the bad guys can valerief Feb 2016 #47
Speculation. 99Forever Feb 2016 #48
The 99% doesn't get to see the REAL world. nt valerief Feb 2016 #50
this is one of the worst campaign strategies bigtree Feb 2016 #4
I'm not strategizing, just stating a fact. They tried to impeach her husband and finally found shraby Feb 2016 #5
Not a chance SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #13
Chris Dodd, Obama, Biden... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #11
It is complicit. I have seen 4-5 references to Nazis and "whitey"in the last week. bettyellen Feb 2016 #20
You probably are right and there is a lot to impeach on. Cleita Feb 2016 #6
And that will also be the case if Bernie wins. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #7
I don't think Bernie is as vulnerable as Hillary is. shraby Feb 2016 #10
thats ridiculous bullimiami Feb 2016 #19
I've been here long enough for du'ers to know I'd never vote republican. I won't even capitalize shraby Feb 2016 #21
You don't know those maniacs very well if you think they will go easy on Sanders. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #33
Impeach Bernie for what? jillan Feb 2016 #15
So let's don't elect the most qualified candidate upaloopa Feb 2016 #9
When did that ever stop the republicans? If they didn't have something, they'd make something shraby Feb 2016 #14
putting aside the qualifications, on which i disagree, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #56
I'm sure a number of DUers would strongly support that. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #18
And she's given them plenty of material to do so. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #23
I'm shaking in my boots nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #25
That's where the people come in. Gregorian Feb 2016 #27
That's impossible. She's allegedly the ONLY ONE who can get repubs to vote for progressive ideas. arcane1 Feb 2016 #28
No kidding! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #30
Too many are stuck in narratives. mmonk Feb 2016 #40
If it were that easy they'd try it against Obama Shrek Feb 2016 #42
On what grounds? DFW Feb 2016 #49
She could be impeached before she ever takes office tularetom Feb 2016 #52
That goes without saying. joshcryer Feb 2016 #54

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
2. They've said as much.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

Now that said they'll attack whoever the nominee and, if the Dem wins, President, with everything they've got. But it does feel sometimes like the Clintons go out of their way to give them ammunition that could be avoided.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
3. Tru dat. Also it's what they'll do if Sanders is elected.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

It's also what they'll do if the convention ends up deadlocked and Martin O'Malley emerges as the compromise nominee.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. Really?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

Precisely which High Crimes and Misdemeanors will they use as Cause for Action against President Sanders?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
12. Jeeze, you really think they can't concoct some baloney to stop his reforms?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

You think there isn't a "Vermont Project" gearing up now, just as there was a "Arkansas Project" started in 1992 or a birther smear campaign started in 2008? Republicans will not play by the rules.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
16. So you have no actual answer.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

Just some bullshit speculation of an imaginary something.

As expected.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. Name PRECISELY the High Crimes and Misdemeanors President Sanders would be charged with...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

... in order to fulfill the Constitutional REQUIREMENTS to be Impeached.

"Their wrath" doesn't meet that hurdle, nor does the general term "history."

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. If you want to pretend their attacks- like Benghazi, or Monicagate, have any basis in the national
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:25 PM
Feb 2016

interest, rather than just another way to disrupt democracy..... I won't go there with you.
Just because they have been saving their powder on Sanders, does not mean they do not have plans if there is an upset this primary season.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. Wow, aren't you a peach! Naive about how Republicans operate, and angry to be called on it.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

What a winning combo.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
32. If you think Republicans need a valid reason to fuck over a Dem president, you have been buying into
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

some delusional RW shit.

Good luck talking to voters with that mouth. You're new to this, I gather.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
34. Even those skeeeeery Republicans have to follow the Constitution.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps some civics courses would fix your confusion with that reality.

I was likely involved in progressive politics when you were wearing diapers.

Now:

Answer the fucking question.

If you can.

Last chance.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. "Involved in progressive politics" yet praying for RW bullshit to prevail. Transparent as anyone
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

else's naked ambition. You are as "corrupt" as anyone, if you support RW witch hunts. Which seems to be your stance here.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
41. Make shit up out of whole cloth much?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

You have fun spanking that strawman.

You clearly have no clue as to what my "stance" is on any gawddamn thing.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
51. Totally with bettyellen on this one...Repubs don't need a valid reason.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

Just a reason in their own heads. Just any way whatsoever to stop Democrats from achieving anything.

As they say, you can sue a ham sandwich...it doesn't mean you have a case. Republicans can impeach over anything they want. Millions of dollars later, and months/years of stalled democracy and keeping "scandal" on the front pages, legal victory really doesn't matter. Only the perception in the eyes of voters. Benghazi is the perfect example. They know it is pure bullshit, but it plays well with their constituency, and it paints a certain picture in the publics' eye.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
55. I said they don't need a "valid reason."
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

But they at least need a pretense. They had conducted eight hearings into Benghazi, and held 50 failed votes to repeal Obamacare. Executive orders weren't illegal. This was all arcane stuff that did not have public support, let alone any legal standing. But American's understand "lying" and "blowjobs." That was an easy one to sell.

Once again, their number one goal has not been to remove Obama from office, merely to obstruct everything he tries to do. They took a beating after impeaching Bill Clinton, and they were too fearful of repeating that scene again. But they really think they have something against Mrs. Clinton. They will be eager to try again. As for Bernie, I'm not so convinced, but I can see them raising "Socialist" as a reason to impeach, as if he's some enemy of the state. I wouldn't put anything past them.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
57. Ahh I see... one set of standards for the establishment Democrats...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

...and another for that "outsider" guy.

Got it.


Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
36. Since I just saved you from a hide, I'll add my two cents
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

Bettyellen has a good point. The didn't impeach Clinton for any impeachable offense. They impeached over a blow job.

The may now and then try to put on a fig leaf and claim it was about lying, but that is steer manure, House Speaker for a Day Robert Livingston tried to drive home the point that Mr. Clinton's sexual peccadilloes were reason enough to impeach the President by resigning from Congress himself immediately after the vote to impeach was taken in the House as reports were released concerning his own indiscreet behavior. BTW, I don't think Livingston should have resigned.

Now, given that, do you really think Republicans need a legitimate reason to impeach a Democratic president?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
38. No sir.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton was Impeached for lying under oath. Read the Articles of Impeachment.

And no, not a "legitimate reason," but even the skeeeeeery skeeeeery Republicans need a LEGAL reason to impeach.

Good grief. There's huge lack of knowledge about the Constitution around here.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
45. I used to argue with a RW moron over that
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

I know what the articles said, but I don't care. He was impeached over a blow job. If it was simply about lying, Speaker Livingston would not have seen fit to resign his seat in the House after serving as Speaker for one day. He was never asked under oath about his sexual indiscretions. The steer manure about lying was nothing more than a fig leaf.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
44. Thanks, Jack. There seems to be some delusions about RW tactics. You'd think after Benghazi their
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

eyes would be open that the RW doesn't play by the rules- or ever have our best interests at heart. Bender will not be spared.
No one hear should be touting they had legit reasons to go after Clinton. Or kid themselves they will need them for a witch hunt against Sanders. They never needed them, the reasons are manufactured.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
37. Just what High Crimes and Misdemeaners is Hillary Clinton guilty of? What has she been charged with?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe she lied about what she had for breakfast lets get a fucking investigation going on that. Besides that Obama will pardon her if they do find anything.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
39. There is an on-going investigation by the FBI currently under way.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

Didn't say I agreed with it, but it is what it is. Deny reality if you want, no skin off my teeth.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
43. I though we were presumed Innocent until found guilty
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

by a jury. But now if you support the Socialist candidate you just convict them first. You can bet if Bernie gets
elected there will be the same endless investigations of him and his administration, there always has been since Nixon.
Republicans think they own the White House.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
46. It doesn't matter what I presume.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not sure what the rest of your post means in re: to the question I asked.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
47. If police can plant drugs to arrest innocent people, the bad guys can
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

create a scandal--I'll bet it'll be a pedophile one--to feed the M$M.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
4. this is one of the worst campaign strategies
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

...leveraging your appeal against Hillary on the republican campaign to defeat her.

At what point does that become complicit?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
5. I'm not strategizing, just stating a fact. They tried to impeach her husband and finally found
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

something to use against him. You think with the emails and the Benghazi thing they've been chewing to death that they won't use those?
If you don't you're dreaming.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
11. Chris Dodd, Obama, Biden...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

All questioned her electability in 2007-2008 due to the high unfavorable ratings. Dodd even flat out said during a debate that 50% of the country won't vote for her.

This FBI investigation is a bigger deal than the Establishment of the party wants to admit. Bernie is guilty of helping sweep it under the rug when he said he was tired of hearing about her emails. Republicans won't play nice on that situation.

If they really wanted an Establishment candidate to rally behind, Biden was the better option. And it is possible he still becomes involved if her campaign implodes.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. It is complicit. I have seen 4-5 references to Nazis and "whitey"in the last week.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

And dragging Vince Foster into it. Shameful shit, totally complicit.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. You probably are right and there is a lot to impeach on.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

As for Bernie, they might try to stage a coup and install Kasich or some other hard right neo-con calling Bernie a Russian spy or some other such nonsense. I don't put anything like this past them. Getting Bernie elected is only he beginning until he consolidates his power sufficiently to boot all those corrupt lobbyists and insiders out of Washington permanently.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
10. I don't think Bernie is as vulnerable as Hillary is.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

They'll have to work harder to find grounds where she leaves herself open all the time, intentionally and unintentionally.
The idiot republicans hate her so much they jump on her every move.

bullimiami

(13,099 posts)
19. thats ridiculous
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

dont vote for hillary because the republicans hate her so much they'll try to impeach her?

vote for a republican then. your president will be safe from them no matter what he does.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
21. I've been here long enough for du'ers to know I'd never vote republican. I won't even capitalize
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

their names or their party's name..unless I do it accidentally.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
33. You don't know those maniacs very well if you think they will go easy on Sanders.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

But I am 100% sure, or pretty close, that we will lose the WH if Sanders is our nominee. I know you don't agree, so there is no point in arguing the issue.

My husband and I are pretty well off, and are making contingency plans for the real potential of a right wing take over of our government. This country will not be liveable if the worst happens.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. So let's don't elect the most qualified candidate
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

because your paradigm is that she will be impeached even though she hasn't commited an impeachable offence in office because she just took office.

Real smart thinking

shraby

(21,946 posts)
14. When did that ever stop the republicans? If they didn't have something, they'd make something
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

up. That's their style.

Look at their harassment of Obama who is clean.
They said he didn't belong to a church..sonofagun..he did go to one in Chicago.
Then they ran him out of it because of the cranky pastor.
Then they accused him of being a Muslim.
Then they forgot Hawaii was a state when he was born and they said he wasn't born in the U.S.
Whoops Hawaii was a state so he was born in Kenya.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
56. putting aside the qualifications, on which i disagree,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

she will be impeached immediately and will spend her time and the country's defending herself, assuming no crime is unearthed which would remove her. it will comsume her first term, set the country back four years, and hand all branches of government to the republicans for the forseeable future.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
27. That's where the people come in.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

But that's dreaming, of course. It's dreaming until we collectively unite.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. That's impossible. She's allegedly the ONLY ONE who can get repubs to vote for progressive ideas.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

Nedsdag

(2,437 posts)
30. No kidding!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

As soon as she's sworn in, the Teapublicans will have the articles of impeachment ready.

Shrek

(3,981 posts)
42. If it were that easy they'd try it against Obama
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

Unless you think they like him better for some reason.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
49. On what grounds?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed while in office. The only thing a new Democratic president will have committed "right away" will have been being inaugurated as President while being a Democrat. While that may constitute a high crime in Republican eyes, it's not on the books yet.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
52. She could be impeached before she ever takes office
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

Congressional session opens right after New Years. President is not inaugurated until January 20.

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