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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:26 PM Feb 2016

The photographer speaks out. "John Lewis, Bernie Sanders, “What is the Truth?”

From his website:

John Lewis, Bernie Sanders, "What is the truth"

Usually this blog gets from twenty to forty people a day looking at it. 47,851 have visited this site since we posted the pictures I made of young Bernie Sanders two days ago. They came looking for the truth. Three major news organizations have used a photograph I made of young Bernie Sanders as a twenty year old student at the University of Chicago to attack his campaign and to denigrate his early place in history.

In 1962, a few months before I made the pictures of Bernie as an early civil rights activist, I made another picture of another young man sitting quietly in the back of a church in Cairo, Illinois. I have published that in my book, Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement. I knew who John Lewis was when I saw him that morning because of his unparalleled bravery as a freedom rider. The year before we met, the Freedom Rides had made John Lewis a hero to all young, caring and politically engaged students. I was one of them, and I’m sure Bernie was another. It was 1962, over fifty-three years ago.

Bernie chose to organize in the North. I went south. I became the principle photographer of the southern civil rights movement, John Lewis’s roommate in Atlanta, and a paid staff member of the SNCC. In 1962 there were very few white northerners that went south. In many ways SNCC did not want them to come. Integrated groups in the deep South seemed to incite violence. Finally, in the summer of 1964, SNCC and CORE recruited students from the North, and a thousand, mostly northern whites came to Mississippi. Within days, just as Freedom Summer began, three were murdered. Andrew Goodman, Mickey Schwerner, and James Chaney. They were taken into the woods and lynched. Goodman and Schwerner were both from New York City. They were both Jewish, as I am. As Bernie Sanders is. Since the time of Roosevelt there had been a real effective political alliance between African Americans and Jewish Americans. The children of immigrants that had fled lands where they had been persecuted and discriminated against as a despised minority identified with and fought for the rights of American blacks. It was a natural and powerfully affective alliance.

.....The worst thing about Congressman John Lewis’s embrace of the Clintons and his attack on Bernie Sanders is that John Lewis is a pacifist. It is one of his most endearing and courageous qualities. Congressman Lewis never votes for a military appropriation. He is one of only four or five congressmen, out of five hundred, that votes this way. His Christmas card shows John and his friend the Dali Lama, touching heads and praying in Peace. He means it. John told me “war is outmoded”. John is right. But the crushing “politics as usual” of the Democratic Party has John supporting Hillary, who is a Hawk, and attacking Bernie Sanders, who is a much more peaceful politician.

In the last campaign when Hillary ran against President Obama, John supported Hillary. I was fishing on the Hudson when I reached John on my cell. “John” I said, “You’ve got to switch. You can create the first black president of the United States.” John said he’d been getting a lot of calls and there would “be an announcement soon.” A week later John switched his support to Barack Obama.


Danny Lyons makes clear his support of Bernie Sanders, but he shows his respect for John Lewis as well.

I understand Time Magazine is still not taking his word for who's in the picture. Looking for that link now.
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The photographer speaks out. "John Lewis, Bernie Sanders, “What is the Truth?” (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2016 OP
Swiftboaters - 0 / The truth + 1. jillan Feb 2016 #1
Danny Lyons post in the comment section about Capehart. madfloridian Feb 2016 #2
Thank you, Brock's dirty fingers are all over this effort, which started right from the beginning sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #10
When I saw this post at Blue Nation Review, owned by Brock... madfloridian Feb 2016 #15
Yes, this is what it has been about since day one passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #21
Veeeery interesting... SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #27
capehart still doesn't mention the obvious thing questionseverything Feb 2016 #28
Yep. Bottom line. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #29
That's not Rappaport's hairline in the photo. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #31
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #3
Danny Lyons comments about Time. madfloridian Feb 2016 #4
Of course “I remember taking the photos”! That is not what I said on the phone to the Time reporter. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #39
Hi Tom, yes it does seem that way. madfloridian Feb 2016 #40
This is what I don't get about the MSM and that photograph. Vinca Feb 2016 #5
How does it being Bernie help Hillary? That's Capehart's quandry. valerief Feb 2016 #7
It really was never just about the picture anyway. madfloridian Feb 2016 #36
A lot of walkbacks and corrections lately 6chars Feb 2016 #6
Yes, I've noticed that. madfloridian Feb 2016 #41
It's time for either Sanders or Rappaport to speak out. rocktivity Feb 2016 #8
Jeff Weaver said Bernie verified it. madfloridian Feb 2016 #9
Rappaport is dead and Sanders has already said it was him Arazi Feb 2016 #12
Rappoport is dead nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #13
I'm very glad to hear that Bernie has addressed the issue himself rocktivity Feb 2016 #14
Thanks for this OP! Punkingal Feb 2016 #11
Yes, he does sound that way. madfloridian Feb 2016 #16
Kicking for the Truth!! FloriTexan Feb 2016 #17
Thanks for the kick. madfloridian Feb 2016 #19
another Clinton shit throwing attack exposed as a lie. I wonder if Rove is part of her campaign Doctor_J Feb 2016 #18
This Capeheart sounds like a scumbag. nt navarth Feb 2016 #20
I used to like him. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #26
University of Chicago CORRECTS photo archives. Confirms it is Sanders avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #22
Good. Now if Capehart would quit playing politics and tell the truth. madfloridian Feb 2016 #23
Why then? zentrum Feb 2016 #24
He walked it back. I'm not going to worry about why, myself. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #35
Gotcha! zentrum Feb 2016 #38
I don't think whoever floated photogate SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #25
I agree. It was classy. madfloridian Feb 2016 #34
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #30
John Lewis clarified his comments. No need to criticize Lewis any more. jfern Feb 2016 #32
I'm not criticizing Lewis. In fact the photographer posted a great moving picture of him. madfloridian Feb 2016 #33
knr amborin Feb 2016 #37

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. Danny Lyons post in the comment section about Capehart.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/#comment-1291


Shel says:
February 13, 2016 at 12:56 am

Argh, Capehart is forcing us to wait for a ‘new piece’ where he shares the complicated story here, claiming it’s not so ‘cut and dry’. I can’t imagine intrigue given what is visible here, but excuses can be tricky to compose.
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dektol says:
February 13, 2016 at 8:17 am

Correct. This is Danny Lyon — He called me and asked to “record me”, which I agreed to. His main interest seemed to be to ask things like “when did the campaign contact me” (they hadn’t).
His only interest was in the “idea” that there was some kind of conspiracy to either undermine him, or created by
the Sanders campaign. It was a bazaar conversation, that I almost regret having. He recorded me for at least
half an hour. If he was a journalist he would immediately publish the truth, or at least admit
that he spoke with the person that made the pictures, and admit that other pictures now show that this is Bernie Sanders as a young activist.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Thank you, Brock's dirty fingers are all over this effort, which started right from the beginning
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

to undermine Sanders history wrt to Civil Rights because they wanted to pre-empt it before AAs got to know Bernie for themselves.

They so underestimated the intelligence of AAs, something which many now say angers them the most.

Brock is career smearmonger who clearly envisions himself as the next Global Propagandist powerful as Murdoch which is the ONLY reason he switched from the Right to the more lucrative position he was no doubt offered by the so-called 'left'. To give him some creds with the real Left they funded his weak, boring MM website.

Sorry but as soon as I found out who was running that site, I never used it again. It's focus is boring, ohhh look what O'Reilly said today' etc. The days are long gone when people are even interested in those intended to divide, tactics.

Bernie's campaign is shining a light on all the dirty, corrupt, slimy greedy predators who like blood suckers hover around DC willing to do ANYTHING, to destroy lives and reputations if asked, for MONEY.

That Hillary is using this prime example of all that is wrong with our system, well, as Sanders Spokesman Briggs said, shame on her.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. Yes, this is what it has been about since day one
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016
to undermine Sanders history wrt to Civil Rights because they wanted to pre-empt it before AAs got to know Bernie for themselves.


They counted on the AA vote and have done and will do anything they can to obstruct or obscure visibility for Bernie.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
28. capehart still doesn't mention the obvious thing
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

like why wouldn't a reporter for a high profile newspaper call the freakin photographer to check

the good thing is everyone he does interview supports bernie for pres!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
4. Danny Lyons comments about Time.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02//more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/#comment-1299

dektol says:
February 13, 2016 at 8:34 am

This is Danny Lyon. Of course “I remember taking the photos”! That is not what I said on the phone to the Time reporter.
I went with Bob McNamara, a CORE activist and good friend. It was in a hall way, very crowded, so I stood in the corner. I did not sit. I shot Bernie standing (he was speaking when I got there.) I shot him sitting down. He sits next to McNamara, who is wearing glasses… Then I, standing above them, shoot the three close ups of Bernie, still in his sweater, speaking with his buddies…
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
39. Of course “I remember taking the photos”! That is not what I said on the phone to the Time reporter.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:01 PM
Feb 2016

Good Lord. t look like everything that can be doe to prop up a false narrative is being done, including misquoting the central figure.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
5. This is what I don't get about the MSM and that photograph.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

If Sotheby's auction house had an unsigned photograph by a famous photographer that needed to be authenticated, they would contact the photographer (assuming he was still alive) and ask if it was his photo and after being told it was they would sell it for lots of money as that photographer's work. This is - or at least wasn't - one of those big bucks photographs and the photographer has identified it. That would be enough for Sotheby's. Why isn't it enough for Jonathan Capehart? (This whole brouhaha may turn that photographer's pictures of Bernie into a big payday. At least one positive thing has come of it.)

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
36. It really was never just about the picture anyway.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

It's about using the media to smear a candidate and refusing to back down when presented with evidence....literally in black and white photos.

Now Capehart is just looking foolish.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
6. A lot of walkbacks and corrections lately
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

Lewis
Picture
Steinem
Albright

Obama used to talk about "the silly season"

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
8. It's time for either Sanders or Rappaport to speak out.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

If Bernie is being advised to ignore this, he needs new advisors.


rocktivity

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Rappoport is dead
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

So that comment would be eerie indeed

This is part and parcel of the smear though

And we had bernie speak to it on CNN already. That said, you do your job right as a photog, people don't even notice you.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
14. I'm very glad to hear that Bernie has addressed the issue himself
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

and the photog DID do his job right, his photo was just captioned badly!


rocktivity

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
11. Thanks for this OP!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

This is all very interesting. Danny Lyon sounds like a man of integrity and honesty. I get the feeling he won't drop this until Time and Capehart clear this up. What a mess this has turned into.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
26. I used to like him.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

Huh. Just found his follow-up, just skimmed it so far.

It was attached to tweet: "Not true about being fired."

So far sounds like excuses. Not contacting photographer before original article is bottom line to me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/13/bernie-sanders-and-the-clash-of-memory/

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
35. He walked it back. I'm not going to worry about why, myself.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 2016

Especially since things seem to be blowing up in the Clinton campaign's face all by themselves. I'm just going to hide and watch.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
25. I don't think whoever floated photogate
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

Thought about the photographer a) being alive and b) paying attention.

That is a very classy statement from Mr. Lyon.

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