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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:50 PM Feb 2016

Why we fail.

We fight each other. It is that simple. We have two good candidates for President. They're different, but both will work for progress. I'll vote for either if he or she is the nominee.

We fight each other. We turn out in presidential elections, then get frustrated and don't bother to turn out in mid-terms. We lose ground in Congress each time we do that. We cripple our own President and then get frustrated when he or she doesn't get done what we want.

We fight each other and hold grudges. We really should stop doing that. Maybe if we did, we'd be able to win the White House, the congressional House and the Senate too within six years.

We fight each other. We lose.

I'm very weary of that pattern, which I have seen for my entire adult life.

We fight each other. Can we please stop doing that?

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Why we fail. (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2016 OP
I Agree-Fight For Your Ideas But do so without Insulting Vitriol of Posters and Candidates Stallion Feb 2016 #1
Ill do it as long as the other supporters do it first. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #2
So, no being the change you want to be for you? No help with congress unless Bernie says so? bettyellen Feb 2016 #3
No idea what you are talking about. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #6
Not familiar with the phrase "Be the change"? Look it up- and "Live and Learn". bettyellen Feb 2016 #7
I wasn't the one asking for change. Look that up. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #8
Oh, you are rubber, and I am glue. Got it. nt bettyellen Feb 2016 #10
again, no idea what you are talking about. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #11
I'm sure you don't understand. bettyellen Feb 2016 #12
I don't speak childish. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #13
or claim to understand simple phrases. childish game. nt and outta here bettyellen Feb 2016 #14
Juvenile phrases. Enjoy your day. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #15
7.4 billion points of light = 7.4 billion points of view. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #4
We all agree that things are not going well in our country, don't we? tularetom Feb 2016 #5
I think things are going a hell of a lot better than they were before Obama.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #16
a hug for that response handmade34 Feb 2016 #30
There is no question in my mind that things will go a hell of a lot worse after Obama leaves office tularetom Feb 2016 #34
Drone strikes, drug war, whistleblower prosecutions all up! TransitJohn Feb 2016 #43
Yep.... a Hell of a whole lot better, FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #44
We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. redstatebluegirl Feb 2016 #9
Gee, funny how it is always the REAL PROGRESSIVES who are called "divisive". Odin2005 Feb 2016 #17
Oddly enough, I mentioned no factions MineralMan Feb 2016 #18
All of us Bernie supporters know EXACTLY what you meant. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #19
I see. You are incorrect. MineralMan Feb 2016 #20
The Democratic Party is (or is supposed to be) a democracy. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #23
actually mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #38
As opposed to the HillaryBros throwing temper tantrums? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #41
hillarybros mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #42
Sorry, I draw the line at Kissinger. He should be in prison for KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #21
Kissinger is not running. MineralMan Feb 2016 #22
Wow, you have NO problems with a candidate who takes advice from a genocidal war criminal? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #24
2 million ghosts in southeast Asia and Latin America beg to disagree. Or are they KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #25
agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #40
That is simplistic. cali Feb 2016 #26
I am a simple man. MineralMan Feb 2016 #28
We fail because there's huge money and power to be made in making us fail Fumesucker Feb 2016 #27
Exactly! Divided we will lose, and that is a given. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #29
Bernie will be the first person handmade34 Feb 2016 #31
exactly mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #37
After November: our work has just started. DinahMoeHum Feb 2016 #32
Indeed. MineralMan Feb 2016 #35
We fail when we DON'T fight for what we believe in. Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #33
agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #36
But I read on DU that getting people to come together is silencing them! Bonobo Feb 2016 #39
I fight conservatives and right wingers PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #45

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
1. I Agree-Fight For Your Ideas But do so without Insulting Vitriol of Posters and Candidates
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

Then vote for the Democratic nominee

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
4. 7.4 billion points of light = 7.4 billion points of view.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

Not one is wrong and no two are exactly the same. Instead of arguing we can be listeing and learning.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
5. We all agree that things are not going well in our country, don't we?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

How do we not "lose" if we support a candidate who claims that only minor tweaks are needed to correct the situation?

We tried this in 2008. We fell for "change" that really wasn't. We should not do that again.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
16. I think things are going a hell of a lot better than they were before Obama....
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

But sometimes folks don't appreciate what they have until it's gone. Then they scratch their behinds trying to figure out what happened?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
34. There is no question in my mind that things will go a hell of a lot worse after Obama leaves office
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

unless Bernie Sanders is nominated and elected.

Hillary Clinton is a big step backwards. The republicans would be a ginormous step backwards.

That said, Obama has fallen way short of the expectations he created for himself.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
44. Yep.... a Hell of a whole lot better,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

Even if you don't think so!

You didn't elect the Magic Negro! So sorry!

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
9. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:28 PM
Feb 2016

If we cannot unite as a party behind our nominee, and get out the vote, Lord knows what the Supreme Court will look like in 4 years time. The first thing they do is repeal ACA, then dismantle any changes President Obama was able to get through. What they REALLY want is complete control of the Supreme Court and we are going to give that to them with a big red bow on top.

We need to fight the other party not each other. Both candidates are very strong, either one would be a great President and would fight to keep the Republicans from killing our country.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
17. Gee, funny how it is always the REAL PROGRESSIVES who are called "divisive".
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

All this bullshit about the divisiveness of the primary is coming from Hillary supporters angry that we refuse to crown Queen Hillary.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. Oddly enough, I mentioned no factions
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:44 PM
Feb 2016

in my post. Funny that you read something into it that wasn't there. Both sides are guilty, in my opinion.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
19. All of us Bernie supporters know EXACTLY what you meant.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

The Establishment has been attacking progressives as "divisive" for a long time.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
23. The Democratic Party is (or is supposed to be) a democracy.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

That is why we have primaries and caucuses, to give people a CHOICE about who is going to be the party nominee. The sneering about "divisiveness" almost always comes from the party Establishment in their smoke-filled rooms worried that people are not going to support their anointed candidate. it is scaremongering people into supporting the Establishment candidate by insinuating that primary contests weakens the party and will allow the other party to win.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
38. actually
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

just the berniebros...there are some nice bernie people out there....and bernie likes HRC....so only the immature ones throuwing tempertantrums

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
42. hillarybros
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

don't exist...if there are men throwing temper tantrums they are either bernie bros or they are voting for trump ...they need a shoulder to cry on.....and HRC is busy

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
21. Sorry, I draw the line at Kissinger. He should be in prison for
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

life, not the friend and advisor of one of the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES!

FFS!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
28. I am a simple man.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

I look at things simply. Please forgive my lack of nuance in this matter. Thank you.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
27. We fail because there's huge money and power to be made in making us fail
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

In a recent thread even Skinner has admitted he fell for a Swiftboat lie against Bernie Sanders because he wasn't paying strict attention.

His whine was "I was busy and the mainstream media tricked me".

I saw plenty of people here pushing that lie for everything they could.



handmade34

(22,756 posts)
31. Bernie will be the first person
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

to demand that we come together to defeat the Republicans... I love Bernie! it's his supporters that worry me

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
32. After November: our work has just started.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

At that point, it's time for us to use our energies to support candidates for local and state offices who share our values - and to build up for the midterm elections by early support of House and Senate candidates who share our values.

Come January 2017 - it's back to the ground game.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
33. We fail when we DON'T fight for what we believe in.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

And fighting among ourselves is not really quite the same thing as voting for a Republican, is it?

As we struggle to put out best candidate forward we are strengthening our position, not weakening it.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
39. But I read on DU that getting people to come together is silencing them!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

Guess that makes it sorta impossible, huh?

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