A lot of us wanted a primary challenge when the "grand bargain" stuff looked almost Clintonesque. .

Because if she supports President Obama on this, we need to know!!

lazy moochers need to get a job.

he promised a change yet he wanted to put CPI in place for Social Security which is an awlful assault on us on SS. He wants TPP. He was talking universal health care all during his campaign and then bowed to the insurance industry. Is ACA better for many yes but not for all. I think Bernie Sanders was suggesting that a primary opponent would cause Obama to go back to his stance on the left like he did in his promises during his initial election, and not be so beholding to the establishment.

Why do you think African Americans need explanation? They are capable of figuring it out for themselves. Looking at all aspects of any issue including what Bernie Sanders was really saying AA's are more than capable of making up their own minds. He was not putting down Obama he was saying Obama promised and weakened his stance when he became President. Which I believe Bernie Sanders will not do. The color of skin has nothing to do with perception and thoroughly looking at the context of something and evolving with an opinion.

No it wasn't. It is consistency and liberal, goal oriented discussion.

I voted twice for Obama and will proudly cast my vote for Bernie. He spoke his mind in 2011 as he always does. Wasn't his suggestion because President Obama was actually preparing to put Social Security Cuts on the table for Republicans?

Obama is a great president, except for TPP and compromising on Health Care. People may be insured but many still are going bankrupt even with insurance in order to pay the out of pocket costs. ACA was a good start and Medicare for all is better for all.

I admire Bernie for speaking up even when it isn't popular. You may call that Bone Headed. I call it leadership.

this professional Naderite.

And says "Hell no, to Monsanto loving, Wall Street hugger and war mongering Clinton."

The conflict is not what you think it is.

Before you rush to "Leave this Alone". Comparing Sanders to someone who is commonly referred to as an enemy of the Democratic Party and who contributed to an 8 year downward spiral is blasphemous and should not be allowed. Against the spirit of DU (The D in that especially)

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of unseating Obama, or even seriously attempting to do that. I don't hold that against
Bernie, as there are many issues I also feel Obama is either too far Right on or is not doing
enough; such as criminal justice reform, TPP, jailing Wall St. criminals, etc.

Also, as the time in 2011, I don't think Bernie was even thinking about running in 2016,
so while it may have been a mis-step in terms of strategic political maneuvering, that's
only clear with 20/20 hindsight. The last thing on Bernie's mind at the time was projecting
5 years into the future and worrying "how it would look to the AA community" for him
to nudge Obama to the Left.

Over someone who consistently tows the party line. I supported Obama in the primary in 2008 and voted for him in 2004, 2008 and 2012 but he's not infallible and not beyond reproach.

And should he lose the primary and Hillary become president and nothing about our current situation change, I hope he does it again.

It might have been a bad move politically, but it was driven by conscience.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511224733

issues in this primary, I think. It carries very little weight with me whose official support our candidates have managed to negotiate for (or extort). I don't care if Obama sees Hillary as more of a political ally, or if John Lewis has agreed to be on her side.

What I'd like to hear about is WHY people support on candidate or another. I think we're being asked to substitute the blessings of authority -- whether it's "super delegates" or union leadership or members of Congress -- for any actual substantive arguments in favor of one or the other.

It's a facet of the establishment vs. the populace argument we're having this year. It's nice that a powerful person can go out and get other powerful people to align with them, but unless they're making a cogent argument that they are choosing based on substance rather than personal allegiance or horse-trading, it doesn't count for much.

And it's actually kind of insulting to suggest that any of us need to accept the unexplained say-so of leaders as a substitute for our own judgment. Which I think is a large part of what's going on with the claim that Hillary has Obama's tacit blessing and should get some kind of credit for that.

Thank you Bernie!!

I was horrified and I agree wholeheartedly that I was ready for him to be primaried. I knocked on doors in two states for him in 08, despite being disappointed in his FISA vote.. I lost the drive to volunteer in 2012 figuring he would win against Romney, but very disheartened over Social Security.

I am glad he is our President and there have been many proud momenta. Gambling with Social Security and promoting TPP are my cross armed moments,

... instead of capitulating and surrendering without even trying, don't get calls to be primaryed when up for re-election.

Sorry that bothers you so much.

I would think a challenge in 2012 would have been welcomed by team HRC

listening to what Bernie had to say and not paying any attention to out of context bullshit Bernie was right in what his message was then.

By then I was getting pretty put out by the big let down myself and I was a genormous O supporter

I love how people give African American voters such little credit.

BERNIE SANDERS CRITICIZED OBAMA, THAT'S IT, GOODBYE AA VOTE!!!

I wanted Obama to be primaried in 2011. I knew many AA people who wanted him primaried in 2011. We were all very upset about how much he gave in when he didn't have to.

And yes, he will be LAMBASTED by the right wing attack machine as a "SocialistCommunist" and it will only help in the general election, because all of those people who don't normally vote because they feel the deck is stacked against them will FINALLY have a reason to get out and vote.

Turnout is low b/c Americans have been dealing with choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche for too long now... They turned out in 2008 b/c they falsely believe Obama would really fight for them. They didn't turn out in 2010, 2012 or 2014 b/c they just stopped caring when they realized he was just an extension of what they didn't want.

Give them something to vote FOR and watch what happens.

He promised so much and we were so eager after Bush - then he started moving the Wall Street boys and the Clintonista's into the Cabinet and positions of power - like the day after the Inauguration.
I was horrified - he was just the same as them.
All the things he said he was going to do were all lawyerly parsed - nothing concrete - so he couldn't be held to them at a later date.
Foxy.
Still he wasn't terrible, he did do some stuff - his "baby steps." I don't really dislike him just feel rather blah about him.
He's better than a rethug, of course, but...

Didn't talk about it, didn't suggest it, he did it. Was Ted Kennedy not a real Democrat?

pretty disturbing. And dysfunctional.