Not much of a precedent for leaving the seat vacated for over a year.

for our current congress?

If I don't get my way, I won't vote equates to the 3 year old throwing themselves on the floor because they didn't get a lollipop

I missed it before, really gets to the point.

Unfortunately that anger is misspent, because they're not going to do what you want.

What they do well is post in websites and turn out for big exciting rallies. But turnout is down in their cohort, which reinforces the notion that the young don't vote.

massive crowds at Sanders’ rallies so far haven't translated into historically greater voter turnout for his party.

You can't go through life dumb and stupid!

BS is doing a snow job on young people.

Yes, the younglings believe that Bernie is a better choice, and their best bet for an egalitarian and prosperous future.

And, at 51, I believe it too.

>> You can't go through life dumb and stupid!

Take your foolish pride and shove it!

Your allegations are dumb and stupid.

about the major parties not running good candidates.

Even if it is the lesser of two of them.

almost the same thing.

My daughters are 33 and 31, have their preferences, but will vote to keep the choosing of the next SCOTUS members in Democratic hands, no matter what. They weren't born in the USA, but they are U.S. citizens and will vote in November.

Bernie is doing that. Hillary, not so much...

They just have not learned that lesson of politics.

Lesser of Two Evils is no good...

Lube up and take it like a man.

I think that not voting for an unpleasant choice is a fine, mature decision and this old asshole will gladly not vote for someone I do not remotely respect or want to have the office.

I have two teenaged daughters and we're heavily involved with their school activities and their friends hang out here a great deal.

Plus, I was very active in the Iowa Bernie campaign. We had several young people (in their 20's) who lived with us for a week while they were here to volunteer for the campaign. I also met many, many young people in the various Bernie offices in our area.

Young people are incredibly savvy. They are politically engaged and they are very aware of what is going on in the world around them.

I have been impressed with their knowledge and their activism. I mean, this is what we want for our future, right...young people who are plugged in, paying attention and voting? Even volunteering for campaigns?

Just because they don't like Clinton, doesn't mean that they're infantile. How degrading to suggest that rejecting Clinton is akin to "throwing themselves on the floor because they didn't get a lollipop." I'm a middle aged woman. I can't imagine ever voting for Hillary Clinton. She stands for everything that I am against--two very foundational issues that I've been screaming about for years-- 1.) Corrupt money that has decimated our democracy; 2.) The corrupt neocon war machine that has engulfed both of our parties. Hillary is fully entrenched in both 1,2. I don't think I can vote for her. I'm not kicking and screaming. I'm actually quite sad about it. As a lifelong Democrat, I will consider myself politically homeless and without representation if she is our nominee. You may not agree with me, but that doesn't mean that I am a horrible person because I won't vote for HRC.

I don't think she'll be the nominee anyway. So, it's really a moot point. But many people feel as I do--Democrats too. They cannot support her because of her policies.

Young people have thought through their decision about supporting Bernie. They know this country needs change and they think of Clinton as establishment. That leaves them without hope if Clinton is the nominee.

That's what the reality is.

I'm tired of hearing about young people not coming out to vote if Sanders is not the nominee. Then let the dopes stay home.

This place has become a parody of itself, nothing but drama 24/7.

And stop expecting votes.

"Get off my lawn!!"

Just stating the obvious...

I know silly question

With Biden for the rest of the year. I think Obama already said that was not something he wants. His age makes it even less likely the Republicans would accept it.

It clearly is the only way to a President Biden, something I have posted is impossible.

But that'll never happen either.

Delicious thought, even if unlikely.

Finally, payback on torture greed etc

Given the ages of the SC justices, it's always been extremely likely, nigh unto certain, that the next President would appoint SC justices.

The republicans confirm an Obama appointment to fire up their base before the elections. Stressing to their ignorant masses how important it is to be able to take back the court by 2020.
I can actually invision an ad saying something like 2020 foresight not hindsight....vote _______

...starting with sending him another $25

this millions and millions of disaffected white working classers will come out for Sanders campaign myth?

He got more primary votes in NH than any candidate ever..

I guess not?

and that is the real problem. Shows that a Democrat running against a Republican in both Iowa and New Hampshire during a general election could beat either Clinton or Sanders. And that's with Sanders not having been vetted yet.

Obama won both states 2008 and 2012, both years he ran in the GE, no?

and that way you won't see the big freight train coming towards you....

If more Republicans vote in each primary over Democrats,
it doesn't matter that Bernie got the most vote in a Democratic primary,
prior to any vetting.

It's really not that complicated.

then I can't help you think this through.

is much more predictive.....
let's not be in denial,
or you won't see the freight train coming directly at you!

in either party. Hillary is a weak candidate, as are all of the Republicans.

The actual freight train in this story is Bernie.

We get it.

Remember when you supported Clark and Kerry lost?

...the job of appointing judges to SCOTUS is and vote, no matter what.

Scalia: Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
Hillary: Dorothy who can't seem to do anything without help
Scarecrow: The fear mongering from her campaign
TinMan: The Republican Congress that has no heart
Cowardly Lion: Most establishment Dems and media scared that Dorothy will swat them on the nose
Scary Wizard Head: Wall Street - green and controlling everyone
Bernie: Toto - pulling back the curtain on all this charade

You are one of my favorite posters here, because you tell it like it is!

It would be a wonderful satire of the story.

... for the excellent posts, of course.

Just for the record, I'm one, too.

People around here need to get their fucking priorities straight. So sick of the bashing of Democratic candidates here I could spit.

Hillary can't do that.

To vote against her.

It's Bernie and his supporters who are fighting for the life of the Democratic Party. Ironic, I know, but he is the one who holds its founding principles and ideals close to his heart.

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100% correct. She's worth 1-3 million votes at the top of the ticket. REPUBLICAN votes. She's electoral poison in the general.

of voters who showed up in both primaries so far have been lower than past primaries. So he's not getting out the voters.

Also, though young people preferred Bernie by good margins, young people did not turn out to vote in numbers any greater than they have in past primaries in either state. So this idea that young people will rise up and carry the day is false so far. As it always has been in the past.

That Sanders should throw in the towel and we should all just vote for Hillary? No way!

My feeling is that if Sanders is the nominee, after a few debates with the repub choice, we will easily obtain a majority of voters.

Bernie will win both the dem and indie votes and also peel off some repubs. He already has.

If she is the nominee, it will energize the repub base. The indies and the young vote will stay home. (That is what I will want to do, but will begrudgingly go to the voting booth for the dems.)

revolution.

The indies and the young vote are ALREADY staying home. They didn't turn out in the two primaries that have already happened. Bernie did not increase the numbers of young and indies who turned out for the primaries. In fact, fewer of them showed up than in the last primary. And the idea that Bernie will peel off Republicans in any numbers is silly.

Without this miraculous groundswell you guys are predicting and that is not happening, there is absolutely nothing that Bernie can do. He doesn't have the support of the Republicans in congress, and over the years he has alienated the Democrats, too, by denigrating the things they have accomplished as being worthless and by claiming that no one is as pure as he is.

So even if he does win, he will be alone. He will get nothing done. Not his big plans, and not any little ones.

Barney Franks said it best:

Let's make a cheer.

NO WE CAN'T
NO WE CAN'T
NO WE CAN'T
NO WE CAN'T

Barny Franks WORKS FOR THE BANKS.
Barny Franks WORKS FOR THE BANKS.
Barny Franks WORKS FOR THE BANKS.
Barny Franks WORKS FOR THE BANKS.

Sorry to seem childish. It's how you appear to me.

But no, Hillary has never said, "No we can't," not when she was first lady, not when she was senator, not when she was Secretary of State. (Check out her record on legislation to benefit women and children. Check out the laws she has co-sponsored that increase access to healthcare, equal pay, protection from predatory financial companies. Check out the fact that millions of kids are insured because of her.)

True. She does not promise that she will dismantle corporations and the economic system. True she is not promising a revolution.

But in 25 years in Congress, Bernie has done precious little. He screams about his revolution, but there is nothing in his record or in his plans to suggest that he will do any of the things he has promised.

So if I were to try to come up with a little slogan for Bernie to match the "no we can't" you seem to like, it would be, "I'll tell you any crazy thing and you'll believe it!"

I cannot deal with the whole, I didn't get my way so I'm gonna piss in your cereal.

Let's be clear, a Republican president will nominate someone that WILL absolutely roll back gay rights, women's rights and try and fuck with voting rights even further. And God knows what else they can dream up.

If Hillary is the nominee Bernie needs to get his damn poms poms and support the shit out of her. If Bernie is the nominee then Hillary needs to get her poms poms and support the shit out him.

I've always said I'd support the nominee. The stakes are too high not too. And they've just gotten higher.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

Seems to me, you just want to fight.

Last night, I was in the mood. Now, I how other things to do.

You have a nice day.

That's where my fight is at.

You have one of those nice days yourself.

You must seriously be on it, today.

I categorically and absolutely agree about stopping Republicans. We all do, right?

You not argue a positive point; one that points to a solution.

Seems to me you just want to fling the poo at Sanders supporters.

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION -- as opposed to stating the problem?

That seems to be some great big shit slinging at Hillary and her supporters. That's my problem.

My solution to the problem is stopping REPUBLICANS. I don't care if it's with Bernie or Hillary, but I do care about the dishonest framing in the OP as if Hillary would be a bigger problem than the fucking right wing asshats.

She claims that she would not be influenced by her big money contributors, and I find that to be patently absurd.

I do not want any more third-way, corporatist dems in the White house.

I will vote for Hillary in the end, as long as she defeats Bernie in the primaries fair and square. If she wins based on the math provided by the superdelegates, she will be just as corrupt as the repubs in my eyes.

And there it is again.

Fuck. That. Noise. I'm not buying it for one second.

I implied that big money is a corrupting influence.

I also said I would vote for her in end.

..."we must stop Hillary " faster than the speed of light.

If not before then.

Hillary will make people stay home and nap.

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obama gets to pick another SCOTUS before he leaves the whitehouse! has nothing to do with HRC

Your concern is...interesting.

The voter numbers in both states have been way down, revolution notwithstanding.

Young people did not turn out for Bernie in numbers any larger than they have for past candidates.

I think the sensible thing to say is that the Republicans need to be stopped. Whoever wins the primary needs to be supported.

Excuse me, but your post reads word-for-word like it might have been posted at Free Republic. Also, with the exception of your inclusion of the words "civil rights," the rest of your post reads like something Jim Robinson would approve.

Chill and think.

Also, as much as it thrills certain progressives to think that the Millenium of Jubilee could come in January 2017, any candidate for the courts is still going to have to pass muster with more moderate Democratic senators.

Lately I often become disoriented when I log in to DU. So much Republican spin, so much poo slinging at the Democratic frontrunner, so little logic!

I'm glad to see there are others like me too.

Am I hallucinating, or is this year's posting more vicious than in 2008?

Also, While I see and recognize many long-established DU posters as Bernie-philes, I do wonder how many of the posters throwing the scat around are Republican operatives or working for right-wing propaganda and political organs.

Finally, I can understand anger. I'm an angry Texas Democrat who has been quietly doing a slow-burn since the mid-1990's. But these displays of infantile rage do little good in the short run, and hinder our party coming together and BEATING the Republicans and Tea-Baggers in November.

I think its because there are so many more supporters of one candidate than the other, and there is a jury system. Those who support Bernie know they can say anything - and I mean anything - and not get hidden. Those who support Hillary know that they will be hidden for nothing much. It is a de facto editing process that has incrementally moved the site to bat shit land.

And yes, of course November is the goal. Actual Democrats understand that.

We who may get muffled salute you!

on issues of the utmost import, like voting against appointing democratic minded Supreme Court Justices.

We need to clear all the rats out of our pantry.

will turn out to vote, but for Trump. Bernie must be stopped.

unless Hillary wins the nomination!?

Here comes the PUMA

given the obvious large scale national opposition from Democrats to Bernie (HRC wins national Dems in landslides in polls)

Last poll has them tied nationally

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02052016_Ust53w.pdf

and its consistently underpolled her. Quinnipiac is a third rate party school getting its name out there by making "headlines" dishonoring the Clintons.

She simply can't win. Republicans hate her, independents don't trust her, and Democrats don't trust her either. Bernie has a better message.

The Hillary supporters are becoming desperate. Their posts have an increasingly frantic tone.

They don't seem to understand that Bernie is so likable as a person, and same for his policies, that even some Republicans will cross over.

Their attempts to extract oaths from us that we will vote for her in the general election, have become unproductive and trite.

Increasingly, I am believing that it is Hillary people who will be voting for Bernie in the general.

Freeper? Oh give me a break!

One self delete later and here we are!

who ever it is.

What a ridiculous OP.

Whoever the nominee for the democrats is, will be the next president.

0 doubt.

If the house and senate falls back too, even better.

And they're giving the best odds. Clinton in on evens which is better than some bookies. She's the favourite, followed by Trump on 4/1 and then by Sanders on 7/1, just ahead of Rubio on 8/1. Then there's a bit of a jump with Cruz and Bush both on 16/1, Bloomburg on 25/1, Kasich 40/1, Biden 50/1, Mitt Romney on 150/1 and Paul Ryan on 200/1.

Young people are notoriously bad at voting which is why the grey vote has such disproportionate power.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

They are asking who is most likely to become president as of right now.

I'm asking between Bernie and Hillary, who would stand a better chance of beating Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

And the odds will narrow as the field thins out. They don't stand to make any money if they get the odds wrong. It's not just Ladbrokes, these odds are across the board. You won't make much money betting on a Clinton victory even if she wins.