2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNevada tied; South Carolina closing:
Most recent CBS poll of South Carolina likely voters had Clinton's lead cut in half since CBS's November polling:
In Nevada, it's now tied:
"Inevitable" in the new "Mission Accomplished."
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Voter fraud is a rare thing. Usually a strawman.
It's election fraud that has been the controversy since states went electronic.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I think it will be close in Nevada; I hope we keep closing the gap in SC!
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)"
This is a poll conducted in the service of the GOP. It might be reliable. But I take it with a grain of salt."
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Pollster and Real Clear Politics, but you (who uses the term "push poll" without even knowing what it mean) know more about polling than the combined wisdom of 538 and Pollster and Real Clear Politics?
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)I linked to Crooks and Liars which is questioning the polling method. Plus the OP did not provide a link to the data.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)"Yes, there are a lot of Free Beaconish questions about bad issues for Hillary."
Found the hidden link that the OP is for reason not revealing.
https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/poll-sanders-and-clinton-nevada-dead-heat
Republican run polling.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)you fear the data, you can attack the data if that comforts you, but 538 and Pollster probably know more about polling than you do.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Not sure why you are hiding that fact. Plus you have provided no link.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)relied on the same polling?
So this poll is good enough for 538, good enough for Pollster, and good enough for Real Clear Politics but you know better - that's the argument you're going with?
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)0 weight for the previous six polls.
thank you
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)You don't have to be a polling expert to understand how they are different. If you continue to claim the OP poll is a "push poll" after this explanation, then you are simply blowing hot air without any intent of legitimate dialog.
In one case, with a legitimate information gathering project like the poll in the OP, you want to establish an accurate profile of the people that you are eliciting opinions from. Without that accurate profile, the data is useless. That takes a (relatively) long time on the phone and dramatically escalates the per call price of conducting the poll compared to what is acceptable in a push poll.
A push poll, on the other hand, isn't concerned at all with the person the pollster is contacting. The poll works on volume - they want to influence the election and they need to put their ear worm in as many minds as possible. Therefore they skip virtually all demo and preference questions and focus on the smears. I'd estimate that a push poll will want to contact a minimum of 10X to 20X the number of people that a legitimate opinion poll would that is looking for a good sample of about 1000 respondents.
The Nevada poll is an opposition research effort, but it is more accurate than most polls commissioned by news agencies because it has a full 1000+ sample dedicated exclusively to the Dem race. Most news polls are the same sample size, but they split the respondents between R and D.
Hope that helps eliminate the state of confusion you've been exhibiting.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)She still has the Super Delegates. She can come in 2nd in all 50 states but leave each state with the most delegates in her pocket regardless.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)She doesn't have any super delegates "in her pocket"
If she comes in second overall (and in most states) they'll flee faster than the rats running from her sinking ship.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)This one is going to be fought to the bitter end. Get ready for the ride.
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Nobody will be backing a loser.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)someone like Kerry will probably get in. But she still has big leads in SC and the other southern states.
The real concern is whether white and young voters will turn out in the fall if she is the nominee, and whether her strong numbers among AAs will be matched by turnout.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)play establishment politics,nor will Biden get in.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Nah, that's hyperbole. But I shudder to think what these people will do with their backs against the wall.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Ain't seen nothing yet. Whatever it is, they'll invent it. Today one of'em on this board was quick to suggest Sanders is a friend of Scalia's.
I wish Bernie had a (consensual) sex scandal, that would totally add to his numbers.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)The unexpected hemorrhaging in Clinton's campaign is the earliest I remember that happening in a presidential front-runner's campaign-hence the early kitchen sink. That is the external sign of a campaign's bad internals.
When you start to see the kitchen sink coming out, you celebrate, because it means your campaign is gaining steam.
dchill
(38,532 posts)They got NOTHING to put in their sink. I can smell the fear from here.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Soap scum included!!!
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Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)That's just the way I feel. I wear my hat (Bernie) everywhere I go, and it strikes up many conversations. All I tell them is listen to him. That's it. Sweet.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)(Just kidding, of course)
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...and I wore it everywhere today. The area I live in is red, red, red. I'm pretty sure I scared more than a few.
840high
(17,196 posts)gets me waves and huge smiles.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Quixote1818
(28,968 posts)As Nate Silver has pointed out about 70% of voters really don't start paying attention until about the last two weeks before they vote. A huge chunk won't decide until the last two days. Hillary's support is soft and people are interested in taking a look around to see what Bernie is about which happens mostly in the last few days. This election is far from over.
In the meantime when asked who they are voting for they say Hillary because that is all they know.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)People don't realize who has been changing their talking points over time. Hillary is talking more and more like Bernie now---going left. So how do late-comers know who has been consistent and who is now saying "Me, too?" Even Repugs are trying to sound a little like Bernie---like they want to do something for the middle class. Oh, sure!!!!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)Is very steep. He more could beat her.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Let's keep it real, Bernie's people have not yet begun to fight!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Nyan
(1,192 posts)New voter registration was through the roof.
And after he wins Nevada, SC numbers will definitely change for the better.
Then, he doesn't really have to win SC. All he needs is a close loss.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I bet they've already got the "special" coins warmed up for flipping.
demwing
(16,916 posts)he really did much better there than the media (and the Hilary Group) ever thought he could, and he'll show better in Nevada as a result of that experience.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Especially the Union members. That's what happens when your staff impersonates Union members. They don't like that much out there.
azmom
(5,208 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts).
jalan48
(13,883 posts)Abandon ship while you still can.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)klook
(12,165 posts)to 28 Pts. last week. She's still the overwhelming favorite, despite improving nos. for Bernie.
A Palmetto State victory lap is a bit premature at this point. If Sanders loses by <20 points, that's pretty good. I support him but have no illusions about a miracle win with this little time left.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)And the Nevada poll is very suspect.
Oh the SC one is "customized" so is OP misleading us?
hmmmmm
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)since CBS's November polling."
You are looking at a graph of all polls.
The graph is a graph of all of CBS polls in order to place the most recent CBS poll into the apples-to-apples context of the prior CBS polling.
Your graph includes a bunch of robo-call polls (Gravis, PPP, etc.) which have been proven grossly inaccurate by comparing their greater-than-10% bias for Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire in their polls as contrasted with the results.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)+1,000,000
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)You don't come back from that.
Botany
(70,581 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)If Clinton loses SC, I think Bernie is the nominee.
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)Super Tuesday will be her last stand and I expect below the gutter shit flinging from her surrogates to try to salvage her campaign.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)9/11 ! A gender! Racist! Socialist! Unelectable! Sexism to the n-th degree! Berniebros are horrible people! More endorsements! Just settle for Hillary alright?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)He's got this. He can easily pick up 18 points in 12 days and Nevada is his.
Obviously, that "firewall" was nothing but a facade. It's CRUMBLING like cardboard bricks!
Go Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)He visits
He gives speeches and rallies
People cheer
People GOTV
We vote
He wins.
Its actually pretty simple
LOL!!!
Not taking anything for granted...
Just happy to hear about the tightening polling.
yea!!!!!
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Nate Silver turned out to be right.
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Gothmog
(145,554 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)Kick!