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Nevada tied; South Carolina closing: (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
Hillary is still the favorite but let's fight to push her into the underdog role. JRLeft Feb 2016 #1
things look good for Sanders mgcgulfcoast Feb 2016 #4
Better, but not great at least not yet. JRLeft Feb 2016 #5
And we had better be more vigilant about the possibility of vote fraud from now on. Cal33 Feb 2016 #40
Election Fraud, not voter fraud. Tommymac Feb 2016 #53
Election fraud, yes. Thanks. Cal33 Feb 2016 #67
"The trend is your friend". n/t earthside Feb 2016 #51
What a perfectlypaced trajectory it appears to have. dinkytron Feb 2016 #54
I'm cautiously optimistic. LWolf Feb 2016 #2
GOP push poll? itsrobert Feb 2016 #3
You don't know what a "push poll" is, do you? Hint - it's not a poll. The data's relied upon by 538 Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #7
Did I say it was? itsrobert Feb 2016 #9
They used it for Nevada because there is nothing else out there. We've read it. Have you? n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #10
"Yes, there are a lot of Free Beaconish questions about bad issues for Hillary." itsrobert Feb 2016 #11
The poll graph is from Pollster and 538 has the exact same prognosis based on the same polling. If Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #12
538 took it from that poll itsrobert Feb 2016 #13
what part of "538 has the exact same prognosis based on the same polling" hides the fact that 538 Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #18
Found the link, looks like they only weighted the one GOP polster itsrobert Feb 2016 #15
This poll is good enough for 538, for Pollster, and for Real Clear Politics, but you know better? Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #20
The difference between the OPs Nevada poll and a push poll kristopher Feb 2016 #46
What if Hillary loses both Nev and SC? INdemo Feb 2016 #6
I'm pretty sure she'll win SC. If she loses it, she might as well drop out. jfern Feb 2016 #8
She won't drop out even then. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #19
No she can't FBaggins Feb 2016 #55
No dropping out in sight. 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #23
She loses both she's done Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #28
If that happens.. speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #38
John Kerry is a statesman ,he will not get in and he will not INdemo Feb 2016 #59
Bernie hires some extra protection and sleeps with one eye open? Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #41
What's after the kitchen sink from the Hillary camp? nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #14
Commies! Traitors! Surrender Monkeys! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #16
As long as it wasn't with you-know-who! nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #17
Excactly. And they are doing the kitchen sink too early and its made out of feathers:) litlbilly Feb 2016 #35
The kitchen sink normally comes out at the first hint of hemorrhaging. JimDandy Feb 2016 #47
Not to mention the fact that... dchill Feb 2016 #68
The bathtub! cui bono Feb 2016 #62
The more people get to know Bernie the more people will vote for him. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #21
Same feelings dpatbrown Feb 2016 #24
I have my Bernie bumper sticker, it gets my teen dates.... Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #27
Ah ha! So Gloria Steinem was right! FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #33
Just got my hat yesterday Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #31
My Bernie car sticker 840high Feb 2016 #30
To know, know, know him... Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #66
Those big numbers for Hillary are nothing more than name recognition Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #22
The problem with waiting to the last minute to pay attention---- Doitnow Feb 2016 #29
Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after spending 3 months campaigning there... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #65
The trajectory for Nevada .. cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #25
Based on the last 2 states you have to give Bernie an extra +5.5% Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #26
Meh n/t cosmicone Feb 2016 #32
I really think he can win Nevada. Nyan Feb 2016 #34
I think the debate helped him in Nevada: "Bernie Wins Debate 25-9 in Nevada Focus Group" Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #37
Well, but it's a caucus state. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #42
I'm sure Team Bernie got a crash course in Caucusing in IA demwing Feb 2016 #58
People have been snubbing him in Nevada. leftofcool Feb 2016 #52
Not true. azmom Feb 2016 #57
DUZY!!! cui bono Feb 2016 #63
Aye, looks like the good ship Hillary is taking on water. jalan48 Feb 2016 #36
How are you getting that graph for SC? I see Hillary 61%, Bernie 35% Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #39
Hillary's lead in SC has gone from 40+ Pts in Nov. klook Feb 2016 #43
Weird I see the 61/34 one too. OhZone Feb 2016 #48
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64
As stated, it is a graph of "CBS poll of South Carolina likely voters had Clinton's lead cut in half Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #73
40% in SC? That is a very good start. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #44
Inevitable Is The New Mission Accomplished billhicks76 Feb 2016 #45
If she loses Nevada, this thing is all over. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #49
Oh my! gotta get my funk on Botany Feb 2016 #50
To quote Paul Simon... "Slip Slidin' Away..." cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #56
He'll win NV by 5-8 points and lose SC by about 2-3. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #60
If she loses SC it will get more ugly than anyone will imagine enigmatic Feb 2016 #69
But but... it's her turn! Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #61
He has 5 days more in Nevada and until the 27th(?) until SC! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #70
to know him is to love him Karma13612 Feb 2016 #71
K & R LWolf Feb 2016 #72
Bernie lost Nevada. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #75
This numbers should be updated Gothmog Feb 2016 #76
Lol! vdogg Feb 2016 #77
South Carolina was closing? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #78

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
53. Election Fraud, not voter fraud.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Voter fraud is a rare thing. Usually a strawman.

It's election fraud that has been the controversy since states went electronic.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
7. You don't know what a "push poll" is, do you? Hint - it's not a poll. The data's relied upon by 538
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

Pollster and Real Clear Politics, but you (who uses the term "push poll" without even knowing what it mean) know more about polling than the combined wisdom of 538 and Pollster and Real Clear Politics?

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
9. Did I say it was?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:27 PM
Feb 2016

I linked to Crooks and Liars which is questioning the polling method. Plus the OP did not provide a link to the data.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
11. "Yes, there are a lot of Free Beaconish questions about bad issues for Hillary."
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:32 PM
Feb 2016

"Yes, there are a lot of Free Beaconish questions about bad issues for Hillary."

Found the hidden link that the OP is for reason not revealing.


https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/poll-sanders-and-clinton-nevada-dead-heat

Republican run polling.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
12. The poll graph is from Pollster and 538 has the exact same prognosis based on the same polling. If
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

you fear the data, you can attack the data if that comforts you, but 538 and Pollster probably know more about polling than you do.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
18. what part of "538 has the exact same prognosis based on the same polling" hides the fact that 538
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

relied on the same polling?

So this poll is good enough for 538, good enough for Pollster, and good enough for Real Clear Politics but you know better - that's the argument you're going with?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
46. The difference between the OPs Nevada poll and a push poll
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

You don't have to be a polling expert to understand how they are different. If you continue to claim the OP poll is a "push poll" after this explanation, then you are simply blowing hot air without any intent of legitimate dialog.

In one case, with a legitimate information gathering project like the poll in the OP, you want to establish an accurate profile of the people that you are eliciting opinions from. Without that accurate profile, the data is useless. That takes a (relatively) long time on the phone and dramatically escalates the per call price of conducting the poll compared to what is acceptable in a push poll.

A push poll, on the other hand, isn't concerned at all with the person the pollster is contacting. The poll works on volume - they want to influence the election and they need to put their ear worm in as many minds as possible. Therefore they skip virtually all demo and preference questions and focus on the smears. I'd estimate that a push poll will want to contact a minimum of 10X to 20X the number of people that a legitimate opinion poll would that is looking for a good sample of about 1000 respondents.

The Nevada poll is an opposition research effort, but it is more accurate than most polls commissioned by news agencies because it has a full 1000+ sample dedicated exclusively to the Dem race. Most news polls are the same sample size, but they split the respondents between R and D.

Hope that helps eliminate the state of confusion you've been exhibiting.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
19. She won't drop out even then.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

She still has the Super Delegates. She can come in 2nd in all 50 states but leave each state with the most delegates in her pocket regardless.

FBaggins

(26,758 posts)
55. No she can't
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

She doesn't have any super delegates "in her pocket"

If she comes in second overall (and in most states) they'll flee faster than the rats running from her sinking ship.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
38. If that happens..
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

someone like Kerry will probably get in. But she still has big leads in SC and the other southern states.

The real concern is whether white and young voters will turn out in the fall if she is the nominee, and whether her strong numbers among AAs will be matched by turnout.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
59. John Kerry is a statesman ,he will not get in and he will not
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

play establishment politics,nor will Biden get in.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
41. Bernie hires some extra protection and sleeps with one eye open?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

Nah, that's hyperbole. But I shudder to think what these people will do with their backs against the wall.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
16. Commies! Traitors! Surrender Monkeys!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

Ain't seen nothing yet. Whatever it is, they'll invent it. Today one of'em on this board was quick to suggest Sanders is a friend of Scalia's.

I wish Bernie had a (consensual) sex scandal, that would totally add to his numbers.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
47. The kitchen sink normally comes out at the first hint of hemorrhaging.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

The unexpected hemorrhaging in Clinton's campaign is the earliest I remember that happening in a presidential front-runner's campaign-hence the early kitchen sink. That is the external sign of a campaign's bad internals.

When you start to see the kitchen sink coming out, you celebrate, because it means your campaign is gaining steam.

dchill

(38,532 posts)
68. Not to mention the fact that...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

They got NOTHING to put in their sink. I can smell the fear from here.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
24. Same feelings
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

That's just the way I feel. I wear my hat (Bernie) everywhere I go, and it strikes up many conversations. All I tell them is listen to him. That's it. Sweet.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
31. Just got my hat yesterday
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

...and I wore it everywhere today. The area I live in is red, red, red. I'm pretty sure I scared more than a few.

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)
22. Those big numbers for Hillary are nothing more than name recognition
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

As Nate Silver has pointed out about 70% of voters really don't start paying attention until about the last two weeks before they vote. A huge chunk won't decide until the last two days. Hillary's support is soft and people are interested in taking a look around to see what Bernie is about which happens mostly in the last few days. This election is far from over.

In the meantime when asked who they are voting for they say Hillary because that is all they know.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
29. The problem with waiting to the last minute to pay attention----
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

People don't realize who has been changing their talking points over time. Hillary is talking more and more like Bernie now---going left. So how do late-comers know who has been consistent and who is now saying "Me, too?" Even Repugs are trying to sound a little like Bernie---like they want to do something for the middle class. Oh, sure!!!!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
26. Based on the last 2 states you have to give Bernie an extra +5.5%
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

Let's keep it real, Bernie's people have not yet begun to fight!

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
34. I really think he can win Nevada.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:53 PM
Feb 2016

New voter registration was through the roof.
And after he wins Nevada, SC numbers will definitely change for the better.
Then, he doesn't really have to win SC. All he needs is a close loss.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
42. Well, but it's a caucus state.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

I bet they've already got the "special" coins warmed up for flipping.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
58. I'm sure Team Bernie got a crash course in Caucusing in IA
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:24 AM
Feb 2016

he really did much better there than the media (and the Hilary Group) ever thought he could, and he'll show better in Nevada as a result of that experience.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
52. People have been snubbing him in Nevada.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

Especially the Union members. That's what happens when your staff impersonates Union members. They don't like that much out there.

klook

(12,165 posts)
43. Hillary's lead in SC has gone from 40+ Pts in Nov.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

to 28 Pts. last week. She's still the overwhelming favorite, despite improving nos. for Bernie.

A Palmetto State victory lap is a bit premature at this point. If Sanders loses by <20 points, that's pretty good. I support him but have no illusions about a miracle win with this little time left.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
48. Weird I see the 61/34 one too.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

And the Nevada poll is very suspect.

Oh the SC one is "customized" so is OP misleading us?

hmmmmm

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
73. As stated, it is a graph of "CBS poll of South Carolina likely voters had Clinton's lead cut in half
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

since CBS's November polling."

You are looking at a graph of all polls.

The graph is a graph of all of CBS polls in order to place the most recent CBS poll into the apples-to-apples context of the prior CBS polling.

Your graph includes a bunch of robo-call polls (Gravis, PPP, etc.) which have been proven grossly inaccurate by comparing their greater-than-10% bias for Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire in their polls as contrasted with the results.

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
69. If she loses SC it will get more ugly than anyone will imagine
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

Super Tuesday will be her last stand and I expect below the gutter shit flinging from her surrogates to try to salvage her campaign.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
61. But but... it's her turn!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:02 AM
Feb 2016

9/11 ! A gender! Racist! Socialist! Unelectable! Sexism to the n-th degree! Berniebros are horrible people! More endorsements! Just settle for Hillary alright?

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
70. He has 5 days more in Nevada and until the 27th(?) until SC!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

He's got this. He can easily pick up 18 points in 12 days and Nevada is his.

Obviously, that "firewall" was nothing but a facade. It's CRUMBLING like cardboard bricks!

Go Bernie!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
71. to know him is to love him
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:34 PM
Feb 2016

He visits
He gives speeches and rallies
People cheer
People GOTV

We vote

He wins.

Its actually pretty simple

LOL!!!

Not taking anything for granted...

Just happy to hear about the tightening polling.

yea!!!!!

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